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7962

(11,841 posts)
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:43 PM Sep 2013

Was everyone wrong about the Matthew Shepard murder being a hate crime?

http://www.advocate.com/print-issue/current-issue/2013/09/13/have-we-got-matthew-shepard-all-wrong?page=full

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What if nearly everything you thought you knew about Matthew Shepard’s murder was wrong? What if our most fiercely held convictions about the circumstances of that fatal night of October 6, 1998, have obscured other, more critical, aspects of the case? How do people sold on one version of history react to being told that facts are slippery — that thinking of Shepard’s murder as a hate crime does not mean it was a hate crime? And how does it color our understanding of such a crime if the perpetrator and victim not only knew each other but also had sex together, bought drugs from one another, and partied together?
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Was everyone wrong about the Matthew Shepard murder being a hate crime? (Original Post) 7962 Sep 2013 OP
Yeah? who's putting out that story? gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
Click on the link and read the story 7962 Sep 2013 #4
It wasn't a hate crime but murder due to being on meth and "a misguided culture of masculinity"? uppityperson Sep 2013 #2
Yes, throw in shame for what you did when you were flying high on meth Warpy Sep 2013 #7
Oddly the version of the killing in the article makes it MORE of a hate crime, not less Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #3
I tend to agree with you! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #6
Holy crap....we agree on something! nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #9
No. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #5
It's already been pointed out Tien1985 Sep 2013 #8

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
2. It wasn't a hate crime but murder due to being on meth and "a misguided culture of masculinity"?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:50 PM
Sep 2013

I don't care if you have "self-hate and a misguided culture of masculinity", if you kill someone for their sexual orientation, even if you are meth, it IS a hate crime.

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
7. Yes, throw in shame for what you did when you were flying high on meth
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 07:36 PM
Sep 2013

a tightly closed closet, and a desire to repress who you are to fit in, it still makes sense as a hate crime.

Yes, there were other circumstances, there usually are.

Machismo and self loathing directed outward were the root causes.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Oddly the version of the killing in the article makes it MORE of a hate crime, not less
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sep 2013

Hate crimes are not 'only when sober' crimes, nor are they crimes of which only strangers are victims.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
8. It's already been pointed out
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 08:30 PM
Sep 2013

But, nothing in there makes the murder of Matthew Shepard not a hate crime.

A LGBT person can commit a hate crime, a former lover can commit a hate crime, a drug user can commit a hate crime. Killing someone because of their sexual orientation is a hate crime, even if the murderer is expressing hate towards themselves at the time. "What you hate most in others is what you don't like about yourself..." And all.

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