What sort of person does this?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

[Boom Sound 416]

1. Link?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. really? ok ...

https://www.facebook.com/LiberalAndProudOfIt?directed_target_id=0

[Boom Sound 416]

3. Just asking

I hadn't heard these proposals.

Just last years raise in couples making 250k and singles making 200k

Which tethers are getting the 20% cut

JC

[bahrbearian]

5. You know when you cut the tethers the ballon flys away.

[Boom Sound 416]

35. Yes. Yes I do.

[mopinko]

9. welcome to du.

enjoy your stay.

[tenderfoot]

12. That stay has passed it's expired date... for reasons unknown.

[Boom Sound 416]

20. LOL

[alfredo]

29. Carlsbad teachers could see 20 percent pay cut. Much more below.

Gov. Brian Sandoval has shown "contempt" for public school teachers by proposing to cut their pay by 12 percent to 20 percent, the state teachers union leader said Thursday. Carlsbad- http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/Oct/06/carlsbad-teachers-could-see-20-percent-pay-cut/

Utah- http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics/group-attacks-sandovals-teacher-salary-cut-proposals

http://news.yahoo.com/michigan-teachers-unprecedented-salary-cuts-205800221.html
In the same week Secretary of Education Arne Duncan proposed that teachers' starting salaries should be $60,000 a year, Michigan teachers accepted unprecedented pay cuts. Instead of engineer-equitable pay, it seems that waitress pay may be par.

Across the state, Michigan teachers got significantly less than they bargained for in this contract. The cuts came in wage freezes, two-tier wage scales, increased health care and benefit costs and increased payments to pension plans. Just how much is an "unprecedented" pay cut? Enough that some teachers may not be able to make mortgage payments. Families in which both parents are educators could lose about $30,000 next year.


http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/walker-redefines-act-10s-base-wages-teachers-pay-likely-be-slash

Walker Redefines Act 10's "Base Wages": Teachers' Pay Likely to be Slashed by 30%

http://lwvnv.org/message-to-nv-lawmakers-teacher-pay-cuts-top-20-for-many/
Teacher Pay Cuts Top 20% for Many


The teachers getting pay cuts are those in Republican controlled states or districts. If you live in a blue state, education is valued, and teachers are generally treated with respect.

[Boom Sound 416]

34. I have to read the links

Are they getting anything in return for the cuts other than the shaft?

Are these all union teachers?

[alfredo]

36. In Wisconsin the Republican led government crippled the unions then cut their pay

and benefits. Mississippi, North Carolina, Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio have right wing governments that are hostile to unions and public education. They want to make public ed so bad that people might see private ownership a viable alternative.

Our national security and our democratic system depends on an educated population. Quality education shouldn't just be for the children of the monied few.

[Boom Sound 416]

38. Agreed

But it's a mess everywhere. Union and non. I remember reading about an education union boss in Jersey making 500k. That's just crazy.

There are some good point/counter point arguements for public unions. There needs to be more rules governing the leadership such as terms and pay. Like right off the bat it should almost pay nothing, like a jury duty type service. Always revolving and staffed by the rank and file.

Just riffing a little, but it might help organize those states that oppose it.

Full disclosure - I'm union and I love the CBA standard.

[alfredo]

40. Pay for executives should be voted on by members. Unions are democracies, and shouldn't allow

any excesses by the execs. If that union leader is delivering something of value for the teachers, then he should be rewarded, but $500,000 seems excessive.

[Boom Sound 416]

42. I'm all for reward (for lack of a better term)

Again I'm just thinking out loud.

But to go into a place like a right to work state and pitch the "labor" a communal type organization.

Has such a thing been tried?

[alfredo]

44. Not sure what is going on for labor in those right to work states. I lost touch when I retired.

I even stopped going to union meetings. Too smoky.

[Boom Sound 416]

39. Furthermore

This idea floating around of neighborhood integration is key.

[alfredo]

41. Having to travel through hostile neighborhoods is a real concern.

[Boom Sound 416]

43. Racism ends with real estate

This is my belief and its plain and simple. I've lived two places. One was divided by a river, the other by a map. Two, three generations of neighborhood integration and it racism could be done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023674490

[alfredo]

45. It's happening now. I won't get to see the blossoming of the next generations. Old fart I am.

[Boom Sound 416]

46. Keep leading

[alfredo]

47. It's a young woman/man's game. I now just take the photos.

Two years ago I was photographing the local Occupy movement. Next month it will be an anti Monsanto march.

[JDPriestly]

50. Public school teachers are usually union teachers.

But with Republican legislatures and bullies like Wisconsin's governor, unions can't help much.

In California, we voted in a Democratic governor and a majority of Democrats in our legislature as well as a tax hike -- higher sales taxes and higher taxes on the rich. We cleaning up the mess that a succession of Republican governors left behind and balancing our budget. Democrats can handle the tough jobs. Republicans just borrow and promise to pay later. Republicans talk about fiscal conservatism, but it's all hot air. I'm overgeneralizing, but in my experience, rich people don't manage money nearly as well as poor and middle class folks. They just think they do because they have so much more money to begin with.

[NYC_SKP]

4. You know, most of the people who say that are shooting themselves in the foot.

And are victims of the same mentality.

They hate teachers but don't see that their jobs, whatever they may be, are being cheapened just the same over time.

K/R

[malaise]

32. +1,000

They bought the Kool-Aid

[Jackpine Radical]

54. There seems to be a mentality at large, mostly driven by jealousy,

by which some people are happy to take a loss as long as someone they despise, like "elitist" teachers and other union workers, get hit harder.

They fall for the old distractor question "Why do THOSE people have decent pay?" when they should be asking "How come I don't have decent pay?"

[NYC_SKP]

56. All the while admiring people like Mitt Romney, thinking one day they can be like him.

Or insert some other RW rich dude's name.

By which I mean they've been conditioned to think that the if the government would just go away the free market would make them billionaires.

When in fact they, in their ignorance, are making other people billionaires and making themselves more poor.

[Jackpine Radical]

57. My thought exactly.

[BillyRibs]

6. A Wealthy Parasitic Sociopath!

High Time to take out the trash!

[Bluenorthwest]

7. A Republican obviously.

nt

[Rebellious Republican]

10. Yes what you said!

[donnasgirl]

21. Are we forgetting something

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-close-54-schools-address-1b-deficit-220214516.html
I don't know about you but I will not forget.

[alfredo]

37. In the article they talked about the final decision about closures happening in May.

What has happened since then?

[Major Nikon]

8. ...

[Uncle Joe]

11. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Tuesday Afternoon.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. You are very welcome, Uncle Joe

[Half-Century Man]

13. Just a thought

Just because the most money is spent on it does not mean the quality will be the best; But, spending the least money on something, guaranties the lowest possible quality.

We should spend more money on our teachers to get the best. And stop paying for crappy rich people. Seriously we have the worst rich people in the world.

[louis-t]

15. I'm always reminded of repugs who raise salaries for their own

using taxpayer money justifying it by saying "we have to attract better people".

[Half-Century Man]

33. That plan worked like a cherry bomb in a toilet

Shattered dreams all over the floor and shit on the ceiling

[tofuandbeer]

24. "...we have the worst rich people in the world."

I LOVE IT!
It puts the bastards in a little box so we can look at them.

[alfredo]

30. Put them in a bottomless shark cage.

[G_j]

14. sounds like the NC legislature. nt

[petronius]

16. Ooh, I know! I know! Call on me...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. ... lol ...

[senseandsensibility]

19. Your icon is hilarious,

especially since as a teacher, I see actual students doing a very good imitation of that daily. They really do that, and if they don't get called on they slap the desk. That is, until they are told that if they slap the desk again they won't get called on the next time either. Oh, to be that young and enthusiastic again.

[Jamaal510]

17. A Teabagger. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. I know this one. Someone who believes the choice is Saint Ronnie or Soviet Style Communism.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. People who mouth platitudes but don't really care about children. nt

[BlueJazz]

26. About 1/2 of the people who live in the richest country.

[Major Nikon]

27. Not only that...

Generally the same people whine incessantly about "welfare" that consumes 2% of the budget while cheering on military spending that consumes 60% of the budget.

[Initech]

28. Amen!!! The millionaire and billionaire class are the real problem!

[totodeinhere]

31. What sort of person? A Republican of course. n/t

[calimary]

48. A selfish fuck. AKA a republi-CON.

They're republi-CONS. 'Cause all they offer is a CON JOB.

[JDPriestly]

49. K&R. A thousand times K&R.

[yurbud]

51. republicans AND centrists Democrats, both of whom are paid to think so.

[Sunlei]

52. The State gov. and local Gov people need Fed. education money to keep their salary & benefits high.

to hell with teachers and students needs.

Your State and local politicians come first!! don't expect your mayor, your school boards, your city admins., your Governor and all his Aids, to work for free do you? That's why it costs 45k a year for each student! your 'small' Gov needs their cut!

[B Calm]

53. What sort of people? Answer: REPUBLICANS

[SoutherDem]

55. I agree with the message

But I don't know many teachers who make $50,000 unless they are a principal or maybe football coach plus every teacher I know uses their own money from their paycheck to pay for supplies used in their classroom. Yet, the same people who see nothing wrong with that statement feels those "public" employees are over paid and have too many benefits.

[Blue Owl]

58. A very sick person

A very, very sick person