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Barney Frank Leaves Wall Street Defenders Speechless: Why Are Bankers Paying Themselves So Much Money?http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/15/2622641/barney-frank-leaves-wall-street-defenders-speechless-paying-money/
As his fellow panelists sought to sidestep criticisms of the financial industry on the five-year anniversary of the bank failure that kicked the financial crisis and Great Recession into full swing, former congressman Barney Frank asked a simple question that brought Wall Streets defenders up short. To your question about those poor beleaguered bankers who have been forced to do so much, Frank said, why are they paying themselves so much money? Where did these enormous salaries come from if they were in fact in such serious trouble?
Frank was responding to CNBC host Maria Bartiromos call to get beyond the conversation of is Wall Street evil, are the bankers evil and causing pain and instead look to economic growth as a cure-all for the vast inequality in income and wealth that has been exacerbated since the end of the recession. (Nevermind that the deregulation of the financial sector is a primary driver of inequality in the U.S.) His question produced several seconds of silence as Bartiromo and former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson laughed nervously and looked to Meet The Press host David Gregory for help. As Bartiromo seemed about to respond to Frank, Gregory stepped in to change the subject.
Watch the exchange below:
BARTIROMO: We need to get beyond the conversation of is Wall Street evil? Are the bankers evil and causing pain? And toward the conversation of, how do you create sustainable economic growth? That will answer the issue of inequality. Because with growth comes jobs.
[...]
BARNEY FRANK: I do want to add one thing, though, to your question about those poor beleaguered bankers who have been forced to do so much to keep from not being able to pay their debts they cant lend money. if they really are running businesses that are so stressed that they cant do their basic work, why are they paying themselves so much money? Where did these enormous salaries come from if they were in fact in such serious trouble?
And of course Gregory did not let anyone answer
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)And Paulson couldn't agree more. Fuckers.
Go Barney! You threw them one they couldn't catch & they cowardly laughed it off.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Said nothing,but laughed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)to the millionaire mouthpieces that makes up the M$M. Won't be so ha ha funny when half the country is below the poverty line and there is nothing left of the middle class.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:40 PM - Edit history (1)
I swear I saw a thought balloon over his head, saying
"Oh shit! Barney's going off-script"
pacalo
(24,721 posts)It was as if common sense were extinct & Barney had no right to ask that question; what would the viewers think?!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)that's "the look" alright. lol
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)question. If we don't respond to stuff like this there will never be any pressure on bankster or the media to shape up. There ought to be a move in Congress to limit bankers pay and CEO pay until the pay gap between employees and themselves is reduced by 20% at least.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Laughed as in "let's all minimize what was just asked by answering with a hearty laugh".
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Cut off Barney or change the subject to keep your RW friends and benefactors happy.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Thank you, Barney Frank. Now if that question would be asked in every segment on a financial topic, we might get something done about it.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Seven words which sums up David Gregory's entire career and his value to the elites.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)USELESS. Fawning, completely co-opted and corporate-owned. USELESS.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)As part of an establishment that claimed they were "too big to fail." Be it noted that 80 Democrats voted no on the second TARP vote. Frank was a key player in the 2008-2009 bailouts. Why didn't Barney Frank support liquidating the megabanks at that time? Why at least didn't he advocate removal of the megabank management and permanent limits on compensation as a condition of the bailouts? Why did he support a scheme to rescue the megabanks and to allow their executives to continue paying themselves, as well as to continue draining the economy for their own profit?
Here's a real truthteller on the banking front:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023672512
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)to realize the error of his ways, but that doesn't change the merit of this OP.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Neil Barofsky
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023672512
One of many.
Frank's remarks are true but also generic. They're only interesting because they were said to that particular crowd on one of the Sunday shows. (An institution I am proud to say I have never watched!)
It's not just the pay that must change, but an entire rotten system that Frank also served, not least in his lame substitute for reform, which does nothing to prevent a repeat of the crash and next to nothing to end predatory banking.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)it was said to everyone watching and that's quite a few people.
I agree the rotten system needs to be changed as well, but as I stated above perhaps Frank has learned the error of his was and will push for serious banking reform this time around.
I believe he sees the writing on the wall in regards to public opinion on this issue.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I notice sometimes successful career politicians (and generals too) get a bug of the truth-telling as soon as they have removed themselves from the direct lawmaking and governing processes, i.e., soon as it makes no difference. Turn things around when you're at the steering wheel or admit the system's politically bankrupt.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)But I do believe his message to the American People via MTP still makes a difference, reinforcing the publics' already lopsided opinion re: this issue and to that of other progressive political leaders still in power adding to their political power.
Look at this way, you say CEO pay makes no difference in the larger scheme of things but it most assuredly makes a difference to the overpaid CEOs and upper management bilking the American Taxpayers.
Frank's argument only fuels more credence to the low esteem the people already have for the banking system in its' current manifestation and that in turn supplements the political power of politicians in office now and those running in future elections on the banking reform issue.
This isn't a static situation, all voices speaking the truth should be welcome whether they're with sin or without.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)"you say CEO pay makes no difference in the larger scheme of things"
oh, I don't say. Absolutely not. The Wall Street incentive structure drives the crisis, and is intentionally designed to reward the most ruthless, brutal and sociopathic. Nothing but deals and volume count toward bonuses. When people point out how much bigger the systemic losses are in comparison to the executive and top trader pay in salary and of course bonuses, I always liken it to the poacher and the elephant. The poacher kills a six-ton elephant just to get 20 or 30 pounds of ivory. The poacher doesn't care about the dead elephant, or the six tons of rotting flesh left on the prairie. The poacher just wants that personal prize. Same thing with the motherfuckers. The reward system is set up for them, and they are sociopathic and reckless and unmindful enough, that they will happily see even their own institutions crash, causing trillions in damage to all, as long as they personally make off with tens or hundreds of millions as their own prize and need not worry about prosecution. That, by the way, is why prosecution is so important: no personal consequences, no deterrence. (Deterrence theory doesn't work with street crime but would do spectacularly well with Goldman Sachs. They need to be preemptively raided, hogtied, interrogated, made to rat each other out, etc., like any common drug operation, since of course their criminality is infinitely greater.)
All that doesn't mean Frank's statement isn't generic and too late, but okay! Appreciated compared to nothing. I just wanted a corrective to the blind following every time a "D" says something good. It's just a fact that this was an engineer of the bailout, well accommodated with the banksters even if he has been critical from a non-system-threatening perspective. And now he talks more radical once he's out of the House. The latter especially doesn't impress me.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)But the public sees it all as pay, whether it be stock bonuses or salary.
It only takes one more step to link stock bonuses and corporate book manipulation.
I believe the stage is being set for serious banking reform because the public political atmosphere is demanding it, Frank's statement only helped to inflame public disgust.
It's all part of the "demonization" process, sometimes it's warranted.
The subject on MTP was the publics' abysmally low regard for the banksters, Gregory had two most definite advocates for them on his program in the hopes of using his propaganda to turn that public enmity around, Frank put a definite roadblock in that mass brainwashing attempt.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)When he does right, it's right.
I do wonder how much "mass" is involved in MTP any more, which is more Beltway talking to itself, but when he does right, it's right.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Peace to you, JackRiddler.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)the absolute prerequisite for their continuing to cash in obscene pay.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...but David Gregory is a douchebag. The way he jumped in to rescue the situation, was just so ridiculously blatant.
progressoid
(49,978 posts)I only see Gregory on these small clips anymore (can't stand to watch him for more than 3 minutes at a time), and he rarely avoids douchebaggery.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)General context of the dialogue:
Frank: (addressing Gregory) Hey, you know what? Mr Paulson and his friends stoled our money and punched us all in the face. Everybody knows it.
Paulson: (nervous laughter, glares at Barney with clenched rage) Bless his heart! He doesn't really understand what happened. Just ignore him.
Bartiromo: We know, Barney; but can't we just put all that behind us? We shouldn't talk about Mr Paulson like this in front of strangers. You're embarrassing him, sweetie. He's not a bad man; he's successful.
Frank: But they did something wrong and never said they were sorry, never said why they did it, never gave us back our money. I thought stealing and being greedy were bad things?
Gregory: (nervous laughter) Smart boy ! (pats Barney on the head) Mr Paulson and his pals never intended to hurt anybody, Barney. They are just misunderstood. Who wants ice cream ?!
Bartiromo and Paulson: We do!
Frank: (addressing Gregory) And they're still doing it, too.
Gregory, Bartiromo and Paulson: (yuk yuk yuk)
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)on point
(2,506 posts)I think there is a case to be made these things were gotten fraudulently as they manipulated and misstated he state of their business earnings to take that remuneration
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)
The bankers take home what they can because they can.
When a poor man does that, we call him a thief.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)comment about why are these banker (business owners) paying themselves so much if they're hurting and can't make money, Paulson starts giving the eye toward Gregory for his own bailout and as Bartirmomo begins to stumble in trying to defend a defenseless issue, corporate supremacist mouth puppet Gregory comes to the rescue and changes the subject.
Thanks for the thread, cal.
Jasana
(490 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Mr. Frank asks a serious question but it is laughed off by the news heads.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is the real scandal of the 2000s. Not the stolen elections and Iraq, as if they aren't bad enough, but the greatest act of theft in world history.
And this is the reason we can no longer have a real media. A real media would have exposed these miscreants for what they are, we would have had them in prison and we would have had real financial reform.
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)They harp on how there has to be low wages and conditions to be able to be competitive.That's ok for their workers but when it comes to management all that flys out the window.It confounds me that what is basically a worker can get millions of dollars as a wage.They have golden parachutes in their contracts that ensures that no matter how much they stuff up they can still walk away with a few years loot.They basically take no risk but are rewarded handsomely.I don't takeaway from the entrepreneurs out there that take the risk and have 'skin in the game' .the reasons for their rewards are that they take risk and invest heavily and can fail.But how can some management parasite come in and demand dream conditions with absolutely no risk except to his reputation.And I'm sure the millions can go a fair way to sooth any pain felt.A worker doesn't perform and they get sacked with a minimal redundancy package of a few weeks pay if they're lucky.A simple explanation would be nice but as in the filmclip won't be forthcoming as they're defending the indefensible . The rorters are protecting their patch and are so greedy they don't give a fuck!
JEB
(4,748 posts)I'm sure I could destroy the economy and kill most of the middle class.
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)But as his renumeration is so much we can't take you on anyway.
We wish you well with the job hunting!!
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)the GOP is ever going to allow legislation to pass that would really help correct this injustice as long as they control Congress?
Bridges for Sale?
Lasher
(27,573 posts)Gregory felt the producers tugging at his leash and shut it down. That's why I stopped watching this shit. Meaningful dialog is prohibited.
Too bad Governor Patrick chose his crony, Mo Cowan, to serve Kerry's unexpired Senate term. Barney would have been awesome there.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)on the program, par for the course.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Even having Paulson on was an insult to all our intelligences. But ignoring Frank's question was beyond insulting.
Lasher
(27,573 posts)And still they cheated to shut him down
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)that numerous firms are involved in. I posted a Taibbi Piece about it in Good Reads...Lets Talk about corruption that is ongoing...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101673462
AAO
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Brigid
(17,621 posts)"Why are the bankers not in jail?"
benld74
(9,904 posts)'structural reform' such as immigration, the tax system? What a bunch of effin sociopaths! If they are siting on trillions, effin do something with it! Our infrastructure is going into the toilet, FIX IT! Lend the funds at 1%, create the jobs and FIX it!
And Gregory another schill,,,,,,,,,,,,
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)true opinion, an opinion most of us not on the Wall Street payroll have. He just called bull shit on them and they were stupefied! AWESOME!!!
valerief
(53,235 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)BARTIROMO: We need to get beyond the conversation of is Wall Street evil?
Yes, Wall Street is evil! Yes, Bankers are Evil!
they have lied their way into our savings, equity, and have stolen Pensions by the score! They and their tools in government are absolutely irredeemable. Fit only for the drop that comes after They climb up the long ladder. Bring on the hangman bring on the guillotine, hoist the blade strap down the murderer, The robber baron, the cause of orphaned children, the filler of the work houses. it's time.
Thank you, A little ranting and I feel so much better.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)But only because Barney's bit was at the end. I make it a general rule not to watch David Gregory's videos because watching him can lower your IQ. And he's such a tool. And a douche-bag.
But Ms. Bartiromo's query (designed to change the subject from evil bankers as she intimated she wanted to do) as to how does Wall Street acheive and maintain sustainable economic growth?, is based up the specious idea that such a condition is actually possible. It assumes that at sometime in the past we had achieved sustainable economic growth, and therefore it can be achieved again. All we have to do is keep working at it and figure this thing out.
But of course that is all a lie. Capitalism is a ponzi scheme of the first magnitude. It is an economic system that uses arithmetic is such a way as to achieve ''calculations and results'' that are in essence all gobbledygook, crappola and whose purpose is solely designed to confuse ''the investors'' as well as support the idea that wealth can be ''created'' from thin-air. Which it proves is possible by doing so on Wall Street with their investment instruments (like derivatives), constantly.
- These economic talks on the MSM-BS programming networks that we're seeing now is the non-musical and definitely boring equivalent of the orchestra playing ''Oh, Danny Boy'' on the Titanic as she sank.....
K&R
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B Calm
(28,762 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)his way in this lifetime, along with any son-of-a-bitch that sits in the same room with the motherfucker and doesn't call him a traitor to this country and the people it in that aren't his banker friends.
"What we did wasn't for the bankers" <- lying piece of crap.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)of course he wanted to immediately change the subject. What a RepubliWanker he is. Shameful.
Botany
(70,490 posts)all 3 of them knew that Barney asked a question they couldn't answer so they
changed the subject.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The banks use HUGE profits stripped from all the little people who would have to carry cash if they don't use a bank.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Publically held companies have a Board of Directors, who are responsible for representing the shareholders' interests, but also naming the executives who actually run the company.
What happens is that Board members place their buddies into these leadership positions and award them mind-boggling salaries. In turn, the Board members sit on the executive staff of other companies, and the people they just compensated sit on their board. It's all a big joke.
Shareholders do have a say in all of this in the form of their periodic board elections, but who actually bothers to elect impartial board members? People get a little card in the mail and they just elect to reseat the existing board, so the nepotism and abuse continues ad infinitum.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)David Gregory is a joke.
Sure was good to see Barney. He is definitely no joke!
Enrique
(27,461 posts)a Sunday news show almost became relevant there for a second.