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BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:55 AM Sep 2013

Front page in Belgium: NSA very likely hacked (majority state owned) telecom operator Belgacom

Both De Morgen and De Standaard this morning carry the following news (summary mine, links in dutch)

After the disclosures in June by Snowden, Belgacom (historically the state telco monopoly, and still the market leader) decided to investigate potential security breaches.
They found very sophisticated malware has been running for two years on their servers. The logistical and financial effort involved points to state-sponsored cyber espionage. The malware was mainly focused on Bics, a Belgacom subsidiary that manages worldwide phone traffic and is active in Africa and the Middle East. From the MO, and the countries they found targeted (Syria and Yemen, among others), all the evidence points to the USA/NSA. De Standaard says "a big belgian chapter has been added to the ongoing spying revelations".

Given that the state is the majority shareholder, this is also politically very sensitive, a statement by the PM will follow.

On edit: Statement by PMs office says "If the hypothesis of a state actor involved at high level is confirmed, we consider this break-in and breach of integrity very serious and will take appropriate steps". TV news said "it could damage US-Belgium relationship". Meanwhile, clients data has not been compromised, Belgacom was quick to say.
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So this is when NSA spying hits home for Belgians, and belgian companies. I'm "glad" I won't be the odd one out being concerned about it anymore.

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Front page in Belgium: NSA very likely hacked (majority state owned) telecom operator Belgacom (Original Post) BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 OP
Demonstrates How Out Of Control The US Intelligence Portion Of The MIC Truly Is cantbeserious Sep 2013 #1
k and r nashville_brook Sep 2013 #2
Update: Green fraction in parliament says US-EU trade agreement should be called off BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #3
More political reactions are in: BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #4
If found true, I wouldn't be too surprised War Horse Sep 2013 #5
"The talking point is that non-U.S. citizens are basically fair game" BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #8
English-language link (RT) BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #6
God damn it this shit is so out of control! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #7

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
3. Update: Green fraction in parliament says US-EU trade agreement should be called off
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:46 AM
Sep 2013

if it's proven the US was behind this. Link (dutch). Not that that's gonna happen, they are in the opposition.

They're referring to the Transatlantic Trade & Investement Partnership, the TPP - sister. At least that means it's on the radar of some people, that's encouraging.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
4. More political reactions are in:
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:36 PM
Sep 2013

and, a bit to my surprise, all sound more or less the same: if this is confirmed (judicial investigation ongoing), then a strong response is necessary. This can not stay without consequences, one vice-PM said.

War Horse

(931 posts)
5. If found true, I wouldn't be too surprised
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:13 PM
Sep 2013

Not aware of any specific NSA activity here in Norway, but the CIA (trying to get at Mulla Krekar and intercepted by the police, for example - or as he's sometimes called here, 'Mulla Kreket' - Mulla the creep) and whichever alphabet agency it was that recruited retired Norwegian cops to spy on Norwegian citizens (admitted by the U.S. embassy when pushed by the press) have been none too shy.

Not sure what this says abt. domestic U.S. spying, though. The talking point is that non-U.S. citizens are basically fair game while U.S. citizens (in the U.S.) are much more strongly protected. But who knows.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
8. "The talking point is that non-U.S. citizens are basically fair game"
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:11 AM
Sep 2013

Yes, the way the US government defends all the iffy stuff they do by saying "but we don't do it to our own citizens" makes me sick.

It's been confirmed now, also Belgacom knew for over a year but didn't speak up. The confirmation comes from sources close to the investigation, but formally the government is gonna wait for the end result. I'm betting we'll end up with a stern letter.

BelgianMadCow

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6. English-language link (RT)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:29 PM
Sep 2013
National phone operator Belgacom filed a complaint in July, saying several of its servers and computers were hacked, Belgian Federal prosecutors announced on Monday.

"The inquiry has shown that the hacking was only possible by an intruder with significant financial and logistic means," they said. "This fact, combined with the technical complexity of the hacking and the scale on which it occurred, points towards international state-sponsored cyber espionage."

The hackers used malicious software and advanced encryption techniques to gather strategic information rather than sabotage Belgacom's data or cause direct economic damage, the prosecutors said.

They declined to say which foreign state they suspected, but Belgian media were quick to point fingers at America’s NSA.

http://rt.com/news/belgium-spying-telecom-company-930/
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