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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have lived on military posts for 20 plus years.
I am saying this to let people know that the majority of military personnel do NOT walk around armed.
Unless they are on duty and that duty requires a firearm, military personnel don't carry a weapon.
Duty weapons are locked up in an armory and troops must go through the process of a weapons draw to get their weapon for their shift.
More often than not even personal weapons are locked up in an armory. This isn't true of all posts. It is often a command decision.
Also, Military Police/Security can arrest civilians on post -to include drawing a weapon on them if necessary.
Magistrate/civilian court prosecutes civilians but the appropriate military authority can apprehend/arrest/question, even shoot (in the event of a felony stop gone terribly bad) a civilian on a military post....if they're on shift, nearby, and armed during a shooting incident. (or whatever kind of shit gone wrong)
A military/defense department contractor would have access to post and wouldn't necessarily go through a search though everyone is subject to a search. I can't count the times I've been searched over 2 plus decades.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)And you're welcome!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)should be good enough for the rest of us in urban and suburban environments. Guns and ammo should be kept under lock at gun ranges or clubs, lockers rented by the owners. When the owners want to use them for target practice or hunting, they need to check them out. In no way should they be kept in homes except in rural places.
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)You can protect yourself a variety of ways without any need of a fire arm.
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Among the multiple problems with this insane argument is that yesterday this mass murderer was a law abiding citizen.
Also, we have police who protect us from armed thugs.
Plus, the odds of being killed by a gun skyrocket if you are a gun owner. So owning a gun doesn't make you safer. It greatly increases the possibility of being shot.
On top of that, the basic problem that guns are so ubiquitous that we must have more. You are just making the problem worse so that you can then claim that there are so many guns that we must have even more still. It is insane.
Einstein said that insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Increasing the number of guns in an attempt to make us safer fits that definition.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Where do you live?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)There are police out there. The fact that (R)s have cut funding for law enforcement so that the rich can live off the interest of their investments for generations to come is not part of this discussion.
Law enforcement exists.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)I would be considered a "gun-grabber" by some. I'm not getting into my ideas, however. Keep in mind not all posts are the same. For example, personal weapons can be kept in the house on the post I'm currently on.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)those who have to be in proximity of them like Trayvon Martin and they really don't protect the gun holder. Really should people be having those shoot outs with burglars that they seem to imagine?
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)and is seems willing to harm my family, yet I will shoot them.
Frankly, where I live there is almost no criminal activity and all of my guns are locked up. But I would not deny that self-protection to someone who lives in a less safe area.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)shooting at each other you are going to go out there and join them?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)The topic was burglary, how did it get to be about shooting gangbangers?
If I did live in an area where there were gangbangers doing their shit in the streets, I would move.
If they attempted to get into my home before I moved, and they were intent on harming my family, I'd shoot them on the spot, inside my home or on the threshold of the door, that would be their choice.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)members and neighbors nears by. That always ends so well. You should read up on how those incidents usually end up often with a family member shot and not the burglar.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)It would seem you are saying more than 50% of incidents end up with the family member shot.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)reason and getting shot.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)with legitimate business going to to be breaking into my home? A law enforcement agent or fireman will identify themselves.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I really hope you don't get yourself hurt or hurt someone in the future. There are medical studies out there that document the danger to families of keeping guns in the home. I would link but I'm on a mobile device that isn't cooperating in the paste part of copy and paste. You should be able to find them though if you really are interested.
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Jenoch
(7,720 posts)My family will be in bedrooms while I will be taking care of business.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)have you? It's much more chaotic in how people react.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)guns and being held up at gun point while in your home?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)that would make it rather hard for them to break in. I was held up twice on the job at gun point, once at the bank I worked at and the second time when I worked a second job as a bartender. In both cases it would have made the situation worse trying to have a gun fight with the robbers. I did have a gun I could have used at the bartender job but didn't. Both times the robbers got what they wanted. My customers were not harmed and the police did their job and they apprehended the criminals recovering most of the loot.
No guns were needed.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)And at the time, my brother was carrying his young son in his arms.
The whole neighborhood had been harassed for a long time by a peeping tom who had been becoming bolder. He started by scaring people by walking by windows with a flashlight shining upon his face. One elderly woman had a heart attack when he did this. Another time, he loudly approached the house while my sister and I babysat our niece and nephew, then twisted the doorknob back and forth. Scared us badly, but he never entered.
He escalated to where he broke into a house while the people weren't there and cut their mattress with a knife.
People were scared.
That night the man had been prowling outside their house and my sister was a wreck. She had called police, but they could not locate him and he would return after they left.
She told her husband this when he came home. He was tired from his long day and angry about the whole situation and how terrified it had made my sister. He heard someone at the door and that's when he almost shot our brother. He told me later he will never forget their expressions as he faced them with that gun, with his finger on the trigger. He also said he'll never forget the feeling he had as he realized how close he had come to shooting them. He hasn't owned a gun since.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)Security forces armory.
It's not like they come and search your house.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I'm sure there will be consequences.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)we get that. but, the facts are this, the building was heavily secured with many levels of security. THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR. It has been on the news all day with interviews about security even segments on the training current employees have had in the past in case of such an incident.
So lets' not deflect the truth. There were guns there and lots of them i imagine.
yeah not everyone was armed but plenty of people were.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)I would like to know the answers to that too.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... was probably the operative word.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And she's constantly complaining about how her rifle keeps getting in the way while she's trying to fill cavities. Then to finish her day, she swings through the Exchange and puts her rifle and hand grenades in the cart while she picks up groceries.
sarisataka
(18,472 posts)Thanks, I needed that
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I never realized how pressurization and altitude would magnify a little tooth pain. She has a plaque on the wall that reads "Top Drill", playing off the Top Gun.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)some post hire civilian security companies...I'm sure there are soldiers out there active or could be active that could handle most of the post security. Thats the way it was some yrs back.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)that (garrison) troops should be on the gates across the board and not private contractors.
That said, in Germany the German security guards were very thorough.
Beaverhausen
(24,469 posts)What part of that are all of you gun lovers missing???
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)2. Please show evidence where my post is about loving guns instead of a simple post about the misconceptions some have voiced about troops carrying around weapons on a military post.
Thank you in advance for evidence you will never ever be able to come up with.
ETA: 10 minutes later and I'm still waiting for that evidence.
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