I have lived on military posts for 20 plus years.

[Solly Mack]

I am saying this to let people know that the majority of military personnel do NOT walk around armed.

Unless they are on duty and that duty requires a firearm, military personnel don't carry a weapon.

Duty weapons are locked up in an armory and troops must go through the process of a weapons draw to get their weapon for their shift.

More often than not even personal weapons are locked up in an armory. This isn't true of all posts. It is often a command decision.

Also, Military Police/Security can arrest civilians on post -to include drawing a weapon on them if necessary.

Magistrate/civilian court prosecutes civilians but the appropriate military authority can apprehend/arrest/question, even shoot (in the event of a felony stop gone terribly bad) a civilian on a military post....if they're on shift, nearby, and armed during a shooting incident. (or whatever kind of shit gone wrong)

A military/defense department contractor would have access to post and wouldn't necessarily go through a search though everyone is subject to a search. I can't count the times I've been searched over 2 plus decades.

[LiberalLoner]

1. Thank you for this post.

[Solly Mack]

14. Thank you, LiberalLoner.

And you're welcome!

[Cleita]

2. Seems to me if this is good enough for the military, it

should be good enough for the rest of us in urban and suburban environments. Guns and ammo should be kept under lock at gun ranges or clubs, lockers rented by the owners. When the owners want to use them for target practice or hunting, they need to check them out. In no way should they be kept in homes except in rural places.

[Cleita]

12. Self protection is a bogus argument.

You can protect yourself a variety of ways without any need of a fire arm.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Bwahaha. They are all law abiding citizens, until they aren't.

Among the multiple problems with this insane argument is that yesterday this mass murderer was a law abiding citizen.

Also, we have police who protect us from armed thugs.

Plus, the odds of being killed by a gun skyrocket if you are a gun owner. So owning a gun doesn't make you safer. It greatly increases the possibility of being shot.

On top of that, the basic problem that guns are so ubiquitous that we must have more. You are just making the problem worse so that you can then claim that there are so many guns that we must have even more still. It is insane.

Einstein said that insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Increasing the number of guns in an attempt to make us safer fits that definition.

[Jenoch]

42. "Also, we have police who protect us from armed thugs."

Where do you live?

[Motown_Johnny]

46. Detroit's east side.. so whatever you were going to say, don't

There are police out there. The fact that (R)s have cut funding for law enforcement so that the rich can live off the interest of their investments for generations to come is not part of this discussion.

Law enforcement exists.

[Solly Mack]

13. I don't own a gun. My husband doesn't own a gun either.

I would be considered a "gun-grabber" by some. I'm not getting into my ideas, however. Keep in mind not all posts are the same. For example, personal weapons can be kept in the house on the post I'm currently on.

[Cleita]

16. It would be better if weapons were not kept in a home. It makes it dangerous for

those who have to be in proximity of them like Trayvon Martin and they really don't protect the gun holder. Really should people be having those shoot outs with burglars that they seem to imagine?

[Solly Mack]

17. I agree.

[Jenoch]

20. If the burlar is armed

and is seems willing to harm my family, yet I will shoot them.

Frankly, where I live there is almost no criminal activity and all of my guns are locked up. But I would not deny that self-protection to someone who lives in a less safe area.

[Cleita]

21. So when the gang bangers are all out there in the street

shooting at each other you are going to go out there and join them?

[Jenoch]

25. There no gang bangers in the streets where I live.

The topic was burglary, how did it get to be about shooting gangbangers?


If I did live in an area where there were gangbangers doing their shit in the streets, I would move.

If they attempted to get into my home before I moved, and they were intent on harming my family, I'd shoot them on the spot, inside my home or on the threshold of the door, that would be their choice.

[Cleita]

27. So you are going to have a shoot out with a burglar with family

members and neighbors nears by. That always ends so well. You should read up on how those incidents usually end up often with a family member shot and not the burglar.

[Bay Boy]

30. Care to prove that ?

It would seem you are saying more than 50% of incidents end up with the family member shot.

[Cleita]

31. Or a neighbor, or someone coming to the house for a legitimate

reason and getting shot.

[Jenoch]

35. When is a neighbor or someone

with legitimate business going to to be breaking into my home? A law enforcement agent or fireman will identify themselves.

[Cleita]

39. Oh my. You are so naive.

I really hope you don't get yourself hurt or hurt someone in the future. There are medical studies out there that document the danger to families of keeping guns in the home. I would link but I'm on a mobile device that isn't cooperating in the paste part of copy and paste. You should be able to find them though if you really are interested.

[Jenoch]

34. Why do you get to create the scenario?

My family will be in bedrooms while I will be taking care of business.

[Cleita]

37. You've never been held up at gun point

have you? It's much more chaotic in how people react.

[Jenoch]

40. What exactly is your experience with

guns and being held up at gun point while in your home?

[Cleita]

47. Not at home because I have security measures in place at home

that would make it rather hard for them to break in. I was held up twice on the job at gun point, once at the bank I worked at and the second time when I worked a second job as a bartender. In both cases it would have made the situation worse trying to have a gun fight with the robbers. I did have a gun I could have used at the bartender job but didn't. Both times the robbers got what they wanted. My customers were not harmed and the police did their job and they apprehended the criminals recovering most of the loot.

No guns were needed.

[suffragette]

44. My brother in law almost shot my brother in a similar scenario.

And at the time, my brother was carrying his young son in his arms.

The whole neighborhood had been harassed for a long time by a peeping tom who had been becoming bolder. He started by scaring people by walking by windows with a flashlight shining upon his face. One elderly woman had a heart attack when he did this. Another time, he loudly approached the house while my sister and I babysat our niece and nephew, then twisted the doorknob back and forth. Scared us badly, but he never entered.
He escalated to where he broke into a house while the people weren't there and cut their mattress with a knife.
People were scared.
That night the man had been prowling outside their house and my sister was a wreck. She had called police, but they could not locate him and he would return after they left.
She told her husband this when he came home. He was tired from his long day and angry about the whole situation and how terrified it had made my sister. He heard someone at the door and that's when he almost shot our brother. He told me later he will never forget their expressions as he faced them with that gun, with his finger on the trigger. He also said he'll never forget the feeling he had as he realized how close he had come to shooting them. He hasn't owned a gun since.

[sammytko]

19. Not all gun owners that live in base housing keep their arms at the

Security forces armory.

It's not like they come and search your house.

[Cleita]

22. No, but should there be an incident with said guns involved,

I'm sure there will be consequences.

[Bennyboy]

3. Okay, belabor the point

we get that. but, the facts are this, the building was heavily secured with many levels of security. THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR. It has been on the news all day with interviews about security even segments on the training current employees have had in the past in case of such an incident.

So lets' not deflect the truth. There were guns there and lots of them i imagine.

yeah not everyone was armed but plenty of people were.

[Aerows]

4. Summers wasn't in the running to be a nominee, either. n/t

[Solly Mack]

7. I have no idea how armed they were there or how the shooter got through.

I would like to know the answers to that too.

[Hoyt]

18. Yep, I think several of the victims were armed. Got em shot first.

[Jenoch]

23. You got your butt handed to you and you still would not admit that it had been missing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023676130

[oldhippie]

29. "I imagine ..."

There were guns there and lots of them i imagine.

... was probably the operative word.

[NightWatcher]

5. That's bologna. My sister is an Air Force Dentist...

And she's constantly complaining about how her rifle keeps getting in the way while she's trying to fill cavities. Then to finish her day, she swings through the Exchange and puts her rifle and hand grenades in the cart while she picks up groceries.

[sarisataka]

6. Air Force... Hand grenades...

Thanks, I needed that

[NightWatcher]

10. She keeps her jet fighter in the garage too

[Solly Mack]

9. She could just shoot those cavities out.

[NightWatcher]

11. Apparently if a pilot has a cavity or tooth pain it becomes a big deal in the cockpit

I never realized how pressurization and altitude would magnify a little tooth pain. She has a plaque on the wall that reads "Top Drill", playing off the Top Gun.

[pinboy3niner]

24. "I feel the need...the need for spit!"

[Solly Mack]

26. lol

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Well, at least she has no problem finding the lead

[Historic NY]

32. I'm thinking soldiers vs civilians working the guard post would do "do diglience"...

some post hire civilian security companies...I'm sure there are soldiers out there active or could be active that could handle most of the post security. Thats the way it was some yrs back.

[Solly Mack]

33. I've seen 'slack' from both but I do agree

that (garrison) troops should be on the gates across the board and not private contractors.

That said, in Germany the German security guards were very thorough.

[Beaverhausen]

36. The shooter took a guard's firearm

What part of that are all of you gun lovers missing???

[Solly Mack]

38. 1. Please show evidence that I am a "gun lover".

2. Please show evidence where my post is about loving guns instead of a simple post about the misconceptions some have voiced about troops carrying around weapons on a military post.

Thank you in advance for evidence you will never ever be able to come up with.


ETA: 10 minutes later and I'm still waiting for that evidence.