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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:08 AM Sep 2013

Boy (6) with 3 years of firearms training from father, shoots sister (4) in the face with shotgun.

The boy — who has firearm experience — initially told the sheriff’s department he picked up the shotgun and it went off and shot the girl when he accidentally dropped it, but he later admitted he pulled the trigger and his dad told him to lie about how the gun discharged, according to the complaint.

The boy said the girl asked him to point the gun at her, and he said he aimed it too close to her ear while trying to aim past her shoulder.

Maphis said firearms in the house typically are locked and not accessible to children, but he had forgotten to put away the shotgun and unload it. He said the gun was left on top of a dog kennel in a room after he had been shooting at birds attacking his chickens the previous days.

The boy’s mother told the sheriff’s department the boy has been shooting firearms since he’s been 3 years old and he has a .22-caliber rifle he’s allowed to shoot with parental supervision, according to the complaint.

Maphis is charged with leaving a loaded firearm near a child and obstructing an officer, both misdemeanors. He has an initial court appearance scheduled for Sept. 23.

Read More: http://lacrossetribune.com/jacksoncochronicle/news/latest/father-charged-in-sibling-shooting/article_ba93b9d8-1f25-11e3-a2fa-0019bb2963f4.html


The good news is the father's just been charged with misdemeanors, so there's no chance his guns will have to go to a gun orphanage.
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Boy (6) with 3 years of firearms training from father, shoots sister (4) in the face with shotgun. (Original Post) Robb Sep 2013 OP
"Birds attacking his chickens." joshcryer Sep 2013 #1
Hawks will go after chickens. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2013 #16
All hawks and owls are federally protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 USC, 703-711 Sunlei Sep 2013 #23
Good...because those are usually stiffer...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #28
That was my first thought also. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #33
I was watching out the window one day when a GosHawk picked up a Rooster and took him away 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #40
Makes perfect sense if you realize his "I'm always careful" claim is bullshit.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #59
if ever parents should have their children removed from the home rurallib Sep 2013 #2
Are you kidding? ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #3
maybe they can be the next Duggers and have a TV show rurallib Sep 2013 #7
And the NRA would be proud to sponsor it. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #12
Don't you mean BlueToTheBone Sep 2013 #17
I wouldn't put anything past the NRA these days. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #21
The apeshit crazy leadership couldn't exist BlueToTheBone Sep 2013 #24
I agree with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #34
+1000 theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #71
The membership is just a cover! atreides1 Sep 2013 #35
Maybe so, but BlueToTheBone Sep 2013 #37
Sorry to say, I am afraid you're right. gopiscrap Sep 2013 #31
Gun safety should be taught in schools... TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #4
Actually, in a country where there are more guns than people, that's probably a good idea. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #41
that's it - people with guns in the home should have their children taken away leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #5
This is a good poster board for speaking on behalf of the sustainable farming movement... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #6
One of my LWolf Sep 2013 #8
I grew up around rifles 90-percent Sep 2013 #9
I blame violent video games,or our mental health system sufrommich Sep 2013 #10
Jebus wanted this to happen malaise Sep 2013 #11
The only thing that can stop a 6 year old with a gun IronLionZion Sep 2013 #13
i like your post. n/t. okieinpain Sep 2013 #25
In many states the father could be charged with attempted murder Nevernose Sep 2013 #14
As it should be. He is behaving in a way that constitutes murderous abuse. As we can see. Squinch Sep 2013 #51
Note: This occurred in Wisconsin - had to look that up. Divernan Sep 2013 #15
How can you defend the chicken coup if Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #19
hawks are smart too, they get far away and 'laugh' at humans from their far vision perch Sunlei Sep 2013 #38
Thanks for your comment. matt819 Sep 2013 #18
of course it does and every other country would have one too okieinpain Sep 2013 #27
Would that father let his three-year-old drive the family tractor or car? JDPriestly Sep 2013 #20
Thanks gawd the guns were saved. Iggo Sep 2013 #22
you can only train a 6yo so much.... ileus Sep 2013 #26
That's just what this father said. Robb Sep 2013 #39
Jesus fucking Christ...first of all it should be illegal for anyone under 18 to even touch a gun gopiscrap Sep 2013 #29
I agree. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #32
Looooooong jail term marions ghost Sep 2013 #48
Obviously if the little girl had had a gun, too...nt joeybee12 Sep 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author eissa Sep 2013 #36
DU rec. Good to see these posts not being locked...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #42
i agree with you CreekDog Sep 2013 #68
Both misdemeanors..that is so good to know. We in the US would never want to charge a father Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #43
Or, simply stated, a father who treated his child with depraved, deadly, indifference. Squinch Sep 2013 #52
Yes, he certainly did and for it to be ignored by law is unconscionable. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #56
Yes. If he had been drunk driving with the child in the car and she was injured, he would be Squinch Sep 2013 #57
Parents are rarely held responsible kiva Sep 2013 #64
This is in a sense absurd. No 6-year-old can conceive of the power of a gun. 1-Old-Man Sep 2013 #44
I waited until they were 8 to teach my kids hack89 Sep 2013 #45
But he had to lie! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #46
Insane in Murka marions ghost Sep 2013 #47
Kick LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #49
There is no excuse for unsecured firearms. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #50
Dad needs some quality time behind bars! rdharma Sep 2013 #53
Dick Cheney Jr. Blue Owl Sep 2013 #54
this is a great example. mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2013 #55
No words needed. You said it all. lpbk2713 Sep 2013 #58
i like your pic mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2013 #63
"You'll shoot your eye out, kid!" KamaAina Sep 2013 #60
Kids mimicking good ole gun loving dad. Yep teach em young how to kill. Hoyt Sep 2013 #61
Take your kids to a picnic HockeyMom Sep 2013 #62
yep these are the people who are adamantly against same sex couples raising children Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #65
Imbecilic gunner trash...the usual gun nut idiot alcibiades_mystery Sep 2013 #66
Know what pisses me off the most about this? laundry_queen Sep 2013 #67
No. The girl had non-life threatening injuries. vanlassie Sep 2013 #69
That'll teach me to not read the whole article. nt laundry_queen Sep 2013 #73
Back in the 1960's my cousin shot and killed his little brother B Calm Sep 2013 #70
Oh, but I thought introducing children to guns would make them safer? Nine Sep 2013 #72

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
1. "Birds attacking his chickens."
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:10 AM
Sep 2013

I had chickens growing up, other birds stayed the fuck away because our chickens would fuck them up. They were well fed and highly protective of their food source. I can't imagine any birds willing to risk it with our chickens.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. All hawks and owls are federally protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 USC, 703-711
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:44 AM
Sep 2013

hope Dad sees some federal charges.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
40. I was watching out the window one day when a GosHawk picked up a Rooster and took him away
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:06 PM
Sep 2013

We used to keep a couple of dozen chickens around back when I used to eat eggs for breakfast most every day and we began losing them to unknown causes. One day we'd have 15 and the next 14, with no noises at night. Then one morning I was at the kitchen sink getting a glass of water and just sort of idly gazing out the window. There was a Rooster out in the yard eating grasshoppers or something and then out of nowhere Ka-Bang, here came this Hawk and he just nailed the chicken. The Hawk stood over the chicken holding it by the neck with one talon and then grabbed the body with both sets and just flew off with him. That Rooster had to weight 5 pounds but the Hawk had no trouble with it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
59. Makes perfect sense if you realize his "I'm always careful" claim is bullshit....
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:08 PM
Sep 2013

....and he's making stuff up.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
3. Are you kidding?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:16 AM
Sep 2013

this family will be the star attraction at the next NRA conference - they love their guns more than they love their kids. They will be cheered because the 6 yr old already knew how to shoot!

rurallib

(62,403 posts)
7. maybe they can be the next Duggers and have a TV show
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

on one of them "true" cable channels.
Instead of "Honey Boo-boo" the kid could be "Gunny Boo-boo"

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
21. I wouldn't put anything past the NRA these days.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:37 AM
Sep 2013

I read a study one time, perhaps 8-9 months ago.

Someone polled the NRA membership and found that the average NRA-er is rather moderate in his/her view. It is the leadership that is apeshit crazy. Knowing a few NRA members, I can see that being the case. Wish I could find the study.

gopiscrap

(23,733 posts)
34. I agree with you
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

if you are a member of this fucked up organization then you are an enabler of the crazy fucks who run it, makes you just as responsible as those at the top.

atreides1

(16,068 posts)
35. The membership is just a cover!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:03 PM
Sep 2013



The leadership gets most of its money from gun manufacturers, the members are just there to make it look good!

Also, the members don't get to really choose the leadership...they get to vote for people who are hand picked by a committee made up of the executives of the NRA!

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
4. Gun safety should be taught in schools...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:17 AM
Sep 2013

....or so they claim.

Of couse you have to be old enough to go to school in the first place.

Yay guns.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
41. Actually, in a country where there are more guns than people, that's probably a good idea.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:08 PM
Sep 2013

There are so many guns out there that it might not be a bad idea at all for school children to be taught how dangerous they are, which would be in complete contradiction to how they are portrayed by popular media.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
5. that's it - people with guns in the home should have their children taken away
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:22 AM
Sep 2013

your home is too dangerous for kids

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
6. This is a good poster board for speaking on behalf of the sustainable farming movement...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:24 AM
Sep 2013

Instead of using gun therapy for chasing birds away from chickens, use some sustainable farming techniques where the birds are protected in roaming coops, which in turn, fertilizes the land, and an introduction of animals working in a symbiotic manner, so you don't have to shoot them?

Or, maybe this should be a poster for the Darwin Awards.... What kind of procreating mental midget does this? burp.... fart...

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
8. One of my
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:28 AM
Sep 2013

15 yo students, who has many years of hunting and shooting under his belt already, shot himself in the thigh this summer while cleaning one of his guns, narrowly missing a self-gelding.

His family doesn't seem concerned, nor does he. No charges were filed against the parents, but that's not a surprise. Guns and kids are a normal part of the local culture.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
9. I grew up around rifles
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:29 AM
Sep 2013

dad just happened to like rifles. He also liked German marches.

However

He was a real hardass about gun safety. I had no interest in guns, they frightened me as my dad generally frightened me, but he really did drill gun safety into my head - safety switch, point the gun at the ground at all times, etc. I was six and I really got it. One of the main things was to never ever ever point the gun at a person.

We did not gun together much, so I may have gotten stupid if we gunned on a weekly basis. He did take me shooting, but that was very rare.

-90% Jimmy

IronLionZion

(45,409 posts)
13. The only thing that can stop a 6 year old with a gun
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

is a 4 year old with a gun. If only that girl lived in a house with access to a gun....

more guns means more gun accidents and suicides. More kids, family, friends, etc.



The birds attacking the chickens can wait until you get the gun out of the locked safe.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
14. In many states the father could be charged with attempted murder
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:18 AM
Sep 2013

Or assault w/ a deadly weapon, or any of several other serious charges. The legal theory being that whatever a child seven or younger does is the same as the action of the person watching them. So, for instance, if your five year old steals a candy bar from the store while you're paying for your gas, you could be charged with shoplifting.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
15. Note: This occurred in Wisconsin - had to look that up.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:16 AM
Sep 2013

Leaving a loaded shotgun just laying around the house - NRA's Father of the Year!

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
19. How can you defend the chicken coup if
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:27 AM
Sep 2013

you have to load the gun every time you need it? Think man. There is method to the madness. :snarkasm:

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
38. hawks are smart too, they get far away and 'laugh' at humans from their far vision perch
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:19 PM
Sep 2013

well out of gun range of silly human with shotgun bangs.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
18. Thanks for your comment.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:26 AM
Sep 2013

I was especially relieved to learn that the guns would be okay.

Sorry, gun lovers, but this country has a gun illness.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
27. of course it does and every other country would have one too
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:51 AM
Sep 2013

if their government hadn't outlawed them.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. Would that father let his three-year-old drive the family tractor or car?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:31 AM
Sep 2013

How about the school bus then?

We have laws that prohibit the very young from driving cars because we know that children and early adolescents do not have the maturity to make the decisions that drivers have to make.

We should have similar laws about the handling of guns. Children do not have the maturity, the understanding, to handle a gun or a car. It's just a developmental fact.

Allowing a child under the age of 16 to handle or have a gun is child endangerment pure and simple. It should be illegal.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
26. you can only train a 6yo so much....
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:51 AM
Sep 2013

My son harvested his first deer at 6 but I had to hold the rifle and let him sight and pull the trigger. He sure wasn't old enough to handle a firearm unsupervised.

He turned 9 @8:23 this morning I still don't let him handle his firearms without my supervision.


Safety first...

gopiscrap

(23,733 posts)
29. Jesus fucking Christ...first of all it should be illegal for anyone under 18 to even touch a gun
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:53 AM
Sep 2013

secondly that god damn parent needs find his ass in jail.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
32. I agree.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:00 PM
Sep 2013

I don't see the rationale behind teaching children to handle guns. Wtf?? Guns aren't toys!

Response to Robb (Original post)

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
43. Both misdemeanors..that is so good to know. We in the US would never want to charge a father
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:19 PM
Sep 2013

who believes he knows better than child developmental experts who would tell him a 3 yr old
should never be trained to fire a gun. That even though that 3 yr old now has years of experience,
he still does not have the capacity to understand the ramifications at the ripe old age of 6.

We would never want such a precaution in place reflected in a law, nope. Instead, we'll
appreciate that the little girl survived and all's well that ends well.


USA USA USA!!!

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
57. Yes. If he had been drunk driving with the child in the car and she was injured, he would be
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:58 PM
Sep 2013

charged. This is more intentional, more depraved than that.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
64. Parents are rarely held responsible
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:22 PM
Sep 2013

for their children's deaths. If this would have been a day care situation or a plain old babysitter, on the other hand, charges would have been forthcoming. There is a culture that insists that any parent who is responsible for the accidental death of one of their own children shouldn't be charged because they will have to live with that grief for the rest of their lives; however, apparently non-parents just don't feel all that bad.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
44. This is in a sense absurd. No 6-year-old can conceive of the power of a gun.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:38 PM
Sep 2013

And I don't give a royal shit if the kid's father thought he was teaching the child something from the age of three. Its like trying to teach your dog mathematics.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
45. I waited until they were 8 to teach my kids
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:41 PM
Sep 2013

and even then they never had unsupervised access to a gun.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
46. But he had to lie!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:42 PM
Sep 2013

Can't have the damn gubbmint gettin' involved in a murder! And worse, takin mah guuuuuun away!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
47. Insane in Murka
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 03:46 PM
Sep 2013

The boy’s mother told the sheriff’s department the boy has been shooting firearms since he’s been 3 years old and he has a .22-caliber rifle he’s allowed to shoot with parental supervision, according to the complaint.


And these people should own guns?

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
55. this is a great example.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:54 PM
Sep 2013

of a true daddy. taught his son to be careless. taught his son to disrespect authority figures. And he taught him to LIE. Great Dad Award goes to this RIP.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
61. Kids mimicking good ole gun loving dad. Yep teach em young how to kill.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:16 PM
Sep 2013

The gun cultists will tell us how one should not do this, knowing what a lot of gun "enthusiasts" are not responsible.
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
62. Take your kids to a picnic
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:49 PM
Sep 2013

Take them camping. Take them on a boat fishing. Take them to a baseball/football game. Why they hell do you think you have to take they SHOOTING? Oh, that is the AMERICAN WAY???? No. This MOTHER put her foot down with that 30 years ago. There are better, safer, more family friendly outings that a young child can enjoy than dangerous guns and shooting.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
65. yep these are the people who are adamantly against same sex couples raising children
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:19 PM
Sep 2013

because teaching your six year old to shoot your four year old in the face is what family values should be all about

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
67. Know what pisses me off the most about this?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:36 AM
Sep 2013

Not only did the sister lose her life, but now the boy will have serious issues for the rest of his life. I've met parents like this - they think he's old enough to handle a gun because they 'taught' him, they will also think that him shooting his sister is HIS fault, and they will probably never let him forget it. Neighbors of ours let their 7 year old drive a snowmobile around (in town, where it was against the law no less) when my kids were playing outside. I heard the sound but rushed outside too late, the 7 year old boy ran over my 8 year old daughter. Thankfully, there was about 2 feet of fresh, soft snow and my daughter just sank (sunk?) into it as the vehicle went over her legs, and she was fine. I gathered up my kids and took them inside and read them the riot act about being around kids driving ATVs or snowmobiles.

An hour later, the dad knocks on my door with his little boy, and starts yelling at his kid in front of me telling him to apologize and then instead of apologizing for letting his kid drive around, he said he was sorry that his kid 'was being a little asshole' and that his kid 'should've known better'. WTF? He's SEVEN. He shouldn't BE DRIVING. How fucking dumb are some people?

If something had happened to my daughter, I can guarantee that dad would've been blaming his kid for it. Parents like this piss me off to no end. Some people have NO idea what is developmentally appropriate for their kids. I consider it abuse. I have memories of my parents yelling at me or hitting me for things I would've had NO idea about at those ages. I even remember thinking, as I was being hit, "I don't know what I did!" Now that I have kids, I'm like WTF is WRONG with people like this?

I really feel for that little boy, he's going to be so messed up

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
70. Back in the 1960's my cousin shot and killed his little brother
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:06 AM
Sep 2013

by accident. He was showing him how to quick draw.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
72. Oh, but I thought introducing children to guns would make them safer?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:37 AM
Sep 2013

That's something I've heard repeatedly. Children need to be introduced to guns and taught to shoot so that they understand the true power of a firearm. This will make them less likely to play with firearms or be involved in shooting accidents.

Didn't work so well in this case.

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