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Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts) Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:28 AM Sep 2013

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Navy yard shooting: small question

Why is the lead agency the FBI when it is an attack on a Navy base? Shouldn't NCIS be the lead agency?

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Navy yard shooting: small question (Original Post) Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 OP

I believe the FBI is lead agency for any major crime on Federal property CanonRay Sep 2013 #1

oh... Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #3

NCIS investigates crimes on ships at sea, etc CanonRay Sep 2013 #5

FLETC in Brunswick? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #6

Yes, many years ago CanonRay Sep 2013 #13

Oh yeah. That one stays with you Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #17

I find it funny Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #7

The line gets a bit blurry, that's why there are turf battles. CanonRay Sep 2013 #14

ok Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #15

All things being equal, I wouldn't perceive delegation as inefficiency... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #18

Leroy Jethro Gibbs is on hiatus. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #2

I hear that Abby is already on it... MineralMan Sep 2013 #4

With the right incentive, Abby will have the case wrapped up in no time pinboy3niner Sep 2013 #8

Indeed. If Abby's on the case, MineralMan Sep 2013 #9

Did you know the actress actually has a masters in criminal science? X_Digger Sep 2013 #11

I think the agencies work together these days, local, federal, military but the FBI leads Sunlei Sep 2013 #10

always Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #16

NCIS investigates crimes punishable under UCMJ and Crabby Appleton Sep 2013 #12

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)

1. I believe the FBI is lead agency for any major crime on Federal property

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:29 AM

Sep 2013

at least that's what I recall.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)

3. oh...

Reply to CanonRay (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:39 AM

Sep 2013

then why have so many other agencies?

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)

5. NCIS investigates crimes on ships at sea, etc

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:59 AM

Sep 2013

and some things on bases. The NCIS show is pretty glorified. Frankly, there are just not enough FBI agents to handle it all, so they give up jurisdiction in most cases. Sometimes the agency people are better anyway, just depends.

The FBI likes to handle the high profile cases, and let others do the "grunt" work, IMHO. That's been their track record, anyway for a long time. Gets them the big budgets.

Half my graduating class at FLETC were NCIS.

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)

6. FLETC in Brunswick?

Reply to CanonRay (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:02 AM

Sep 2013

Been there a bunch of times. Did some great high speed photography shooting (on the crew anyway)

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)

13. Yes, many years ago

Reply to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:09 AM

Sep 2013

Too many. I still hate the smell of pulp mills.

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)

17. Oh yeah. That one stays with you

Reply to CanonRay (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:07 PM

Sep 2013

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)

7. I find it funny

Reply to CanonRay (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:04 AM

Sep 2013

that they say NCIS investigates all attacks on the Navy and Marine Corps (I'm not quoting the TV show). Thne you have the FBI come in. Where is the line drawn? It is efficient to have so many investigative services, yet have the key (FBI) take the lead?

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)

14. The line gets a bit blurry, that's why there are turf battles.

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:11 AM

Sep 2013

There's probably a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two agencies that I have never seen, and wouldn't have access to that spells it out.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)

15. ok

Reply to CanonRay (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:53 AM

Sep 2013

inefficiency at its best

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)

18. All things being equal, I wouldn't perceive delegation as inefficiency...

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:23 PM

Sep 2013

All things being equal, I wouldn't perceive delegation of command through a policy framework as inefficiency... but then again, I have no real bias one way or the other.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)

2. Leroy Jethro Gibbs is on hiatus.

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:30 AM

Sep 2013

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)

4. I hear that Abby is already on it...

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:43 AM

Sep 2013

It's the FBI's responsibility, to be serious about your question.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)

8. With the right incentive, Abby will have the case wrapped up in no time

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:19 AM

Sep 2013

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)

9. Indeed. If Abby's on the case,

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:23 AM

Sep 2013

consider it solved! I don't watch NCIS, but I love the Abby character anyhow.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)

11. Did you know the actress actually has a masters in criminal science?

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:27 AM

Sep 2013

I don't watch the show, but someone mentioned it in passing recently.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005306/bio?ref_=nm_ql_1

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)

10. I think the agencies work together these days, local, federal, military but the FBI leads

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:25 AM

Sep 2013

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)

16. always

Reply to Sunlei (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:53 AM

Sep 2013

till eternity?

Crabby Appleton

(5,231 posts)

12. NCIS investigates crimes punishable under UCMJ and

Reply to Jeneral2885 (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:31 AM

Sep 2013

crimes against Navy property (arson, theft, etc) which would be prosecuted under federal charges for any civilians involved.

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