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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:41 PM Sep 2013

Paranoid schizophrenia and mass shooting

Last edited Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Back in the day, when somebody gunned down a bunch of people he didn't even know our first reaction was "probably paranoid schizophrenia."

Today we have explanations like politics, religion, video games, high fructose corn syrup, SSRIs and a bad economy... but the combo of paranoia and hearing voices, thinking rays are being beamed at you by enemies, etc.. remains a better indicator of likeliness to shoot a bunch of strangers than all that other stuff.

This does not mean that all, or most, or even many persons suffering from paranoid schizophrenia will be mass murderers. Many have no violent tendencies. But the correlation is vastly higher than video games or being muslim or taking SSRIs. That said, things like religion or media play a role in the nature of a sufferer's delusions.

(I do not know if this man was sufering from paranoid schizophrenia, but each new story, new datum, about his mental state is suggestive of psychotic episodes as a given and paranoid schizophrenia as a liklihood. Also, the salient problem is that this man whose mind may have been sick had guns.)

Officials: Gunman treated for mental health issues

By MATT APUZZO and ADAM GOLDMAN
Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. law enforcement officials are telling The Associated Press that the Navy contractor identified as the gunman in the mass shootings at the Washington Navy Yard had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said.

Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing. The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance that Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves.

Family members told investigators that Alexis was being treated for his mental issues.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NAVY_YARD_SHOOTING_GUNMAN_MENTAL_HEALTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-17-08-03-32


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Paranoid schizophrenia and mass shooting (Original Post) cthulu2016 Sep 2013 OP
Some interesting data from Advances in Psychiatric Treatment (2006) Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #1
interesting post cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #3
He shouldnt have been able to purchase more guns darkangel218 Sep 2013 #2
Hell, Tea Party membership ought to qualify you Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #4
No. the tea party wouldnt be able to control medical records. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #5
No, I'm just making a comment on the mental stability of the Teabaggers. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #7
I can tell you this from past experience VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #6
. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #8

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Some interesting data from Advances in Psychiatric Treatment (2006)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013
http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/12/4/239.full

There is a correlation between having a schizophrenic syndrome and increased rates of antisocial behaviour in general and violence in particular (Hodgins, 1992; Hodgins et al, 1996; Wallace et al, 1998; Angermeyer, 2000; Arsenault et al, 2000; Walsh et al, 2001). The evidence that such associations are not just statistically but clinically and socially significant is now overwhelming (Hodgins & Müller-Isberner, 2004). Why, if the connection is so clear, has it not been widely recognised by clinicians and service planners? Equally puzzling, why have so many researchers and reviewers in the field (myself on occasion included) either obfuscated or minimised the importance of the correlations to the point of irrelevance?

Studies suggest that in prisons throughout the Western world 5–10% of those awaiting trial for murder will have a schizophrenic disorder (Table 1⇓ . The true figure for the rates of schizophrenia among homicide offenders is likely to be at the higher end of these estimates, as nearly all the studies have systematic biases that underestimate the level of the association. The study of Taylor & Gunn (1984a,b), which remains one of the most methodologically robust, concluded that 11% of homicide offenders and 9% found guilty of non-fatal violence had schizophrenia. Follow-up studies of large numbers of people with schizophrenia confirm the high levels of violent offending (Soyka et al, 2004; Wallace et al, 2004; Vevera et al, 2005; Swanson et al, 2006).

Conversely, clinicians may never see a patient who has committed a homicide or serious act of interpersonal violence. Up to 10% of homicide offenders may have schizophrenia, but the annual risk that a person with schizophrenia will commit a homicide is in the region of 1 in 10 000 and that of acquiring conviction for violence is 1 in 150 (Wallace et al, 2004). The apparent paradox is because serious violence, and homicide in particular, is far rarer in our community than most realise. The annual homicide rate in the UK is about 1 in 100 000, so even a tenfold increase in risk among those with schizophrenia will not necessarily affect the individual clinician, although it most certainly will affect the community as a whole.

Minor forms of assault in schizophrenia are more common (5–15% per year), but they are often conceptualised by clinicians not as illness-related but as contextual, personality-based or intoxication-driven. The problems created by the antisocial behaviour are further obscured from clinicians because so many who offend are invisible behind prison walls. Schizophrenia is 10 times more common in prisons than would be expected by chance (Fazel & Danesh, 2002). Hopefully, the recent reforms in the UK that take community mental health teams into prisons will bring these lost patients once more to the attention of services.
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
2. He shouldnt have been able to purchase more guns
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:49 PM
Sep 2013

Nor to pass the secret clearence.

The gun laws need to change. Present mental illness should prohibit anyone from purchasing and owning guns.

I'm sorry, I get it we value our second amendment. I do too. But a person who can not possibly make sound judgements due to their illness, should not be allowed access to firearms.

Will this solve all problems? Most likely not. But its a step towards preventinh at least some of the tragedies. The alternative is do nothing, and mourn more tragedies as Sandy Hook and DC.


 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
5. No. the tea party wouldnt be able to control medical records.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:56 PM
Sep 2013

Are you afraid of them, or do you care what they think? Theyre just a bunch of idiots and I feel sorry for them.

Are you disagreeing the gun laws need to be changed?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
7. No, I'm just making a comment on the mental stability of the Teabaggers.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:08 PM
Sep 2013

They are so driven by hate, jealousy, bigotry and other similar fine qualities that they are a danger with or without guns.

I'm a gun owner & grew up in a "gun culture" in which nearly everyone hunted as part of their economic activities and there were few homicides. It took me a long time to get it that the modern "gun culture" is a whole lot different from what I experienced as a child.

A culture in which a gun is a dangerous tool used in the securing of food is very different from a society in which people arm themselves with paramilitary weapons for the purpose of using them on each other (or nominally defending themselves against imagined invasions or something).

I support reasonable gun control measures, and see no use whatsoever for large magazines, assault rifles, etc. (while acknowledging all the problems with definitions of "assault rifle," and all the other complexities of regulation). I have both a couple of revolvers and a semi-auto deer rifle, but probably wouldn't argue too hard if handguns and semi-auto firearms in general were restricted or outlawed.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
6. I can tell you this from past experience
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:57 PM
Sep 2013

sleep deprivation will cause you to be psychotic in just a few days...If he was PTSD and anxiety kept him from sleeping....I am not surprised that he heard voices and was paranoid.

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