Woman punches man after he exposes genitalia to her in downtown Ann Arbor

[alp227]

Last edited Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:10 PM - Edit history (1)

A 29-year-old South Lyon woman punched a man who exposed his genitalia and touched her as she walked in Ann Arbor early Sunday morning, according to police.

Ann Arbor police Lt. Renee Bush said the incident took place between 2:15 a.m. and 2:36 a.m. Sunday in the 300 block of Maynard Street. The woman was walking to her vehicle and the man started walking with her, Bush said.

“As she was attempting to leave in her car, the suspect displayed his penis and touched her,” Bush said in a statement.

The woman then punched the man, who ran toward a nearby stairwell. She then reported the incident to police.

full: http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2013/09/woman_punches_man_after_he_exp.html

Unfortunately I expect this thread to get on fire because some (who did not READ the article) will say this was "excessive force"...this man had all the signs of a potential rapist right there, taking his pants off and touching his prey.

And this is the second "woman punches man" story I've seen recently, the other being of a woman punching a street harasser who she thought threatened rape and then boasting about it online.

UPDATE: Police have released a photo of the suspect.

[sibelian]

1. ...

IPTT

[NYC_SKP]

2. Thank god he touched her so that she should have a legal case for responding to an assault, I hope.

I don't know how that will play in Michigan.

And screw anyone who doesn't see her response as justified.

K/R

[Warpy]

83. No kidding. Weenie wagging is usually on a continuum of escalating sex crimes

and if she landed a solid punch, maybe it'll convince him to act out his kink with dirty magazines and hand lotion.

A friend was shopping in Boston with her 2 kids, four and five, in tow. She was confronted by a flasher and yelled "You call THAT a penis?" and still had the presence of mind to laugh as she pulled her kids away. I've always greatly admired her for that. The kids were puzzled, they hadn't noticed a thing.

[Comrade Grumpy]

3. Why are you posting this on a political discussion board?

It seems like--barely--a local crime story.

[Control-Z]

16. Wow.

Seriously. Wow.

[bettyellen]

17. do you post the same question on kitty threads or weather reports?

[Comrade Grumpy]

81. I admit, I have been remiss in complaining about kitteh threads. I will strive to do better.

Weather reports, on the other hand, can have broad significance.

[bettyellen]

84. I got some very nasty posts here because I dared to lock kitty threads, but the mods ruled

and I thought it was part of the job, LOL. Now I know why no one else wanted to lock em themselves.

[LanternWaste]

20. GD is for discussing issues and current events... regardless of whether they may be implicitly polit

GD is for discussing issues and current events... regardless of whether they may be implicitly political in nature or not.

This OP seems (to me) to touch upon the larger questions of violence against women, weighed with a specific reaction. Indirectly, it speaks to the larger issue of violence itself, most certainly a cultural issue that begs discussion.

(As a heads-up if you didn't know, each forum has parameters that are written out for us and inform us what each forum may and may not contain)

[demmiblue]

22. Oh look, Comrade MRA has arrived!

Always minimizing violence/abuse against women.

Why you are even still here is a mystery.

[LanternWaste]

25. Ok... that added some context I was unaware of.

Ok... that added some context I was unaware of.

Thanks.

[Comrade Grumpy]

80. That's some pretty ugly shit you're slinging. Back it up.

[seabeyond]

24. you do not like women defending themselves, do you. suppose to take the crap dished out.

[Jackpine Radical]

37. She should not have punched him.

She should have kicked him in the nuts.

[derby378]

40. And put it on YouTube - kinda like this guy

[awoke_in_2003]

46. A good throat punch...

will de-escalate most situations, and most don't expect it.

[ohheckyeah]

47. My thoughts, too. n/t

[seabeyond]

48. Punch, kick, I am so very tired and weary of this stuff. Rah for her. Nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

79. I think the woman was within her rights. I even chuckled a bit.

I just don't see much point in posting little local incidents like that. Guy got stupid and paid for it. The end.

Kinda fun watching everybody hyperventilate, though.

[seabeyond]

88. Hyperventilate? Only your imagination. But you are consistent dismissing

Women issues. You don't see much use for it at all. Too often you walk into a thread merely to dismiss. Lots of energy for a subject you have little use for.

The story is bigger than one incident, but no surprise you do not get it.

[etherealtruth]

38. If this weren't a liberal discussion board I would fear your were trying ...

.. minimize violence or abuse against women

[Comrade Grumpy]

86. That would have been a misapprehension.

Guy exposes himself, touches woman, gets punched for his efforts. I think the guy was stupid to do that and the woman was well within her rights to respond as she did.

[Eleanors38]

61. Hmm, this sounds familiar. She shoulda aimed lower. With her fist.

[pnwmom]

76. Ever hear of sexual politics? Your appear to be an excellent example

of a man who doesn't get it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

77. GD is for discussion of crime and gender issues also

[Fawke Em]

82. Barely?

If you don't think exposing yourself isn't a crime.... ah, hell. SMH.

I'm assuming you're either not female or have no empathy or both. If a man did that to me, I'd kick him in his exposed area. He could be or, more likely, WILL be a rapist as he escalates in a few short months.

[Blue_In_AK]

4. I never punched anyone for doing that,

I just boogied out of there. It's happened to me three or four times. I'm not sure what the thrill is.

[HappyMe]

21. Yup.

I just got the hell away from the guy.

[whathehell]

27. I never did either, but I certainly FELT like doing it! n/t

[BlueJazz]

5. She used excessive force.

[kestrel91316]

10. Not in the least. He laid his hands on her first.

IMHO she shoulda shanked him.

[BlueJazz]

14. He said in his post that "Some (who did not READ the article) will say this was "excessive force"

I was just trying to be helpful.

PS: She should have punched him out !

[MADem]

30. The article doesn't say where she punched him.

He might have been crouching while he scuttled away.....

[awoke_in_2003]

49. Knocking someone else out with your fist...

isn't always easy. Punch someone it the throat and they will definitely stop whatever they are doing.

[BlueJazz]

53. What you say is good advice. I like it. (I almost hope I get attacked tonight)

..almost.

[awoke_in_2003]

55. I hope you don't...

but do keep it in mind. Another good one is a good hard kick to the front of a knee. Hit it hard enough the wrong way and they won't be chasing you.

[BlueJazz]

56. I knew that one but I usually ask my attacker if they are Republican first.

They deserve the special things in life.

[tclambert]

57. A throat punch could kill.

THAT might get her in trouble with the police. A good backfist to the nose will usually make your point, painfully, messily, but with less risk of death.

[awoke_in_2003]

59. One is allowed to defend themselves...

against rape.

[tclambert]

66. I've been told if I kill someone in that manner, I'd definitely go to jail.

But I punch really hard, and if I punch someone in the throat, it is with the intent to kill. Maybe that doesn't apply to her. Probably not. I've had more training than most people.

Still, if she kills the guy, I think the police will give her a much harder time than if she breaks his nose.

On the third hand, there's a saying in the martial arts: "Better to be tried by twelve than buried by six."

[Fawke Em]

85. On second thought...

I first posted that I would have kicked him in the exposed part, but I thought of something that would be FAR more effective: if that ever happens to me, I should just point and laugh!

[Eleanors38]

63. Yup. Probably why she wasn't charged, and why the suspect is sought.

[alp227]

12. LOL, YOU WIN the prize.

First "excessive force not self defense" prize.

[hunter]

23. If he still lives and has his balls... no.

[petronius]

6. Why was she walking alone at 2:15 in the morning?

(Glad she's OK, and I hope they catch this person before he repeats and/or escalates...)

[Skittles]

9. lol petronius I was fixing to kick your ass

I'm a night worker who is very often out and about at 02:15 AM - that's like 2 o'clock in the afternoon for me

[OldRedneck]

36. None of anyone's business

[pipi_k]

7. I'll bet the ones who tried

real hard to shock me still wish I had punched them

I am a perv's worst nightmare. For some reason, I can't help laughing like hell at them. No doubt they're probably still shrivelled up like a prune with shame.



Anyway, he touched her without her permission. How the hell did she know what his intent was...so she punched him. Oh well...

[MuseRider]

44. That has always been my response as well.

It has happened to me 3 or 4 times. I was a nurse and these types used to hang out where we parked our cars. Would security help us? Nope. We had to fend for ourselves. My first time I did just crack up. It was so sad and sick and abusive yet I laughed because the last thing I ever want to see is more penises, especially penises that are jerked around in front of me when I am tired or least expect it. Pitiful. The response was shock, I guess he thought I would be impressed or want him? I did not ever get grabbed when I laughed. We did occasionally get grabbed by guys but we were always able to get away because there were enough of us out there we looked out for one another and a cry would bring 20 tired and angry nurses and that is never something you would want to face with your dick hanging out.

[polly7]

54. I had someone who would wait on his motorcylce for me to pass by on my horse nearly every

time I rode out to my friend's, I think I was only about 11 when he started. I couldn't figure out what the hell he was doing, and asked my Dad! He must have said or done something to him, because it stopped for awhile, but a few years later he would wait when I walked to town to go to work at the pool. So damned creepy ... that sick smile, I'll never forget. Two decades later I asked his sister whatever happened to 'Donny'? He got his law degree and was disbarred and in deep legal shit within a few years for doing something disgusting to a child, she never told me what.

[MuseRider]

71. polly7

that is terrifying. So glad he never grabbed you.

I know that sick smile. It makes my skin crawl and also drives that feeling in your gut that tells you you might be in big trouble.

[polly7]

74. I wasn't that afraid at 11 because my horse was faster than his crappy old bike

(I thought so, anyway!) and I didn't have a clue what he was doing, but at 16 it scared me and pissed me off. I felt so bad for the child he apparently assaulted in some way later, if I'd reported him years earlier it might not have happened. That still bothers me. My sister used to babysit his younger siblings once in a while .... there were naked pictures and shit all over the house. I have to think he was seriously screwed up as a young child.

[MuseRider]

75. Good grief.

His parents were hanging naked pictures? Yikes.

I don't know how old you are (when it was happening) but I would bet it does not really matter. You lived in a place where you rode your horse to your friends house. Would they have cared or even taken you seriously if you had said something to the local cops? It is quite possible there would have been nothing to change the outcome. I live in a place like that now and we don't even have local cops and I know the sheriff would not give a damn.

I know when these things were happening most often to me the hospital did not give a second thought to telling us to shut up or they would make the nurses park further away. The cops would have done nothing. It was in the late 70's early 80's.

[polly7]

78. Wow, that's terrible to think even at work you wouldn't have gotten help.

We actually had no cops in our town, I guess it was a village then, but you're probably right that I (and my friends) wouldn't have been taken seriously. My dad never knew he'd started back up again and I'm not sure why I didn't tell him, I guess once I finally figured out (DUH!) what he was doing, it was too embarrassing to talk about. The really sad thing, apart from the little boy/girl he did something to later, is that he got married and had two daughters who were constantly bullied in school ... I'm sure he messed up their lives too.

[NuclearDem]

8. Good. Perverts and street harassers have it coming.

[mythology]

11. I wonder if this will teach the guy a lesson

Hopefully it does and hopefully the police have enough information to catch the guy.

I really don't get the appeal of doing this to somebody. I don't get what it does for the guy exposing himself. But maybe that just means some of the screws aren't entirely loose in my head.

[Yo_Mama]

19. 'Fraid so

There are a lot of things normal people just can't understand.

[BainsBane]

13. Good for her

She had every right to defend herself.

[bettyellen]

15. last time that happened to me I spit at him, right in the eyes. friend said you ejaculated for him!

It was a totally spontaneous thing, but he was wacking off all wild eyed and enjoying my disgust waaay too much.
He stopped enjoying it right there when the gob hit his eye.

[darkangel218]

69. Lmao!!

[bettyellen]

70. that was a brilliant comment, I agree!

never did anything so hateful before or after that, but I don't feel too bad about it. If I had to do it over again, I would have pulled the emergency brake on the train and made sure he was arrested. But I was so agitated being alone on the train with that fuck, I wasn't thinking straight.

[Lunacee_2013]

18. Good for her. Nt

[Vashta Nerada]

26. I'm glad she punched him.

[MADem]

28. I think her response was entirely justified, and in fact, I'd recommend an alternative tactic

for her--she should get herself a large can of beans, toss that in her purse, and swing it at the nose of the next asshole who tries to pull that shit. It's a bit more to carry around, but it turns that bag into a 'flail' weapon without the spikes!

I knew a woman in Iran who used that tactic (in the Shah days--she'd be executed today for hitting the guy) -- she got a reputation as a no-nonsense type; no one bothered her after she decked a couple of bold grabbers. She used to dress in modern clothing, and there were always a few fools who thought that her attire gave them permission to touch. They learned!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. I didn't know it was trenchcoat weather yet....

[d_r]

31. good

she should have kicked me in the nuts

[Tien1985]

39. Ahem...

Unless you were the flasher/harasser I glad she didn't kick *you* in the nuts!

[lakercub]

41. wait

it was you?

[d_r]

73. nah

but I probably deserved it sometime

[NuclearDem]

64. ..

[d_r]

72. well dammit

stupid tablet

[LittleBlue]

32. Why would anyone be against her punching him?

The perv was trying to feel her up, she has a right to defend herself. He's lucky she didn't have a gun or a knife.

[tclambert]

67. I'm sure Wayne LaPierre would have preferred for her to pull a gun.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

33. A well placed kick would have been appropriate as well.

[yuiyoshida]

34. She should have done it like this...

[OldRedneck]

35. If he'd stuck around, she could have done a Lorena Bobbitt on him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt

[Brigid]

42. If men are going to insist on behaving like pigs . . .

Then they get what they deserve.

[appleannie1]

43. They have a decent picture of the guy from a nearby security camera.

He could very easily be a college student.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2013/09/police_release_photo_of_man_wh.html

[PoliticAverse]

45. And in Sweden...

A 23-year-old woman who slapped a man in the face after he grabbed her rear end has been convicted of assault by a court in southern Sweden (from March 2013): http://www.thelocal.se/46946/20130326/

[treestar]

58. Amazing considering Julian has taught us

how Sweden normally persecutes men. He had some name he called it which I can't recall.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. She whooped him!

Good for her!

[Skittles]

51. he would be minus a penis if he did that to me

yes INDEED

[hunter]

87. Are you related to me?

A picture of one of my wild west great grandmas:



Who carries the gun in this family???

All four of them were like that.

[freedom fighter jh]

52. I would never do that . . .

. . . cuz my arm isn't strong, and my punch would be ineffectual.

Once, long ago in my youth, in a place that was dark and deserted but public, a guy insisted on trying to strike up a conversation with me despite my insistence that he leave me alone. When he tried to reach his arm around me I knew I had to act then or be his victim, and I bit him. He ran off howling.

[tclambert]

60. Biting? You could catch a disease.

Afterwards, you'd have to get tested for, like, rabies, or the walker virus.

[freedom fighter jh]

91. Good point.

At the time, though, there was no time to think about it.

[snooper2]

62. your assumption hasn't panned out yet

I guess there is still time though LOL

(aside from the obvious snark above )

[alarimer]

65. If more women punched these assholes (or at least yelled loudly at them),

It would happen a whole lot less. But, no, we are conditioned to be "nice".

And so we back off or run away or laugh it off instead.

I'm not saying violence is always an appropriate response, but certainly being something other than "nice" certainly is.

[HappyMe]

92. For me, it's got nothing to do with "nice".

I'm not willing to get close enough to the guy to punch or kick him. I would worry that the guy may hit me back, and I'm not as strong as I used to be.

[longship]

68. Amazing: Police have released photo of perp.

But the article contains no photo.

Good journalism there, huh?

[TorchTheWitch]

89. if you're using a smart phone it doesn't show up

There's a link in the comments to the photo. The photo shows up on my desktop.

[longship]

90. Yup! Mine is an iPhone.

I kind of figured that was it.

There's no broadband here in western rural Michigan. No cable either. All we have is cell towers, and we've only had 4G for about a year. I get 1-2 bars here unless I stand in the window of my bathroom, or stand outside to the south.

But it's nice here in the national forest, dark skies and lots of stars at night, when it's not cloudy (rare here).