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Put the elderly in prison. (Original Post) trumad Sep 2013 OP
Oops. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #1
Very true. xfundy Sep 2013 #2
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #3
Hmm. We have the half of the prisoners in for non-violent drug offenses, and we are spending madinmaryland Sep 2013 #4
And don't forget! Prison guards make about $15k a year more than the sweetheart who takes care Zorra Sep 2013 #5
Nursing Home Aides make minumum in my hometown Heather MC Sep 2013 #17
Very funny and very apt underpants Sep 2013 #6
Where do prison assaults and rapes fit in to this graphic? Glassunion Sep 2013 #7
It's called an active social life. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #34
There have been nursing home beatings and rapes. merrily Sep 2013 #38
I never saw inmates have access to computers. littlewolf Sep 2013 #8
As a former nursing home employee, I can surely say most are not as described Scootaloo Sep 2013 #9
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2013 #29
The United States thinks Justice = Revenge. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #33
We're a primitive society with high technology n/t Scootaloo Sep 2013 #37
We are the only country in the world that starts a bar fight with,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #43
But the elderly are too feeble for slave labor jmondine Sep 2013 #10
I know there had to be a reason for it ! eppur_se_muova Sep 2013 #35
Well if you have to do time ... bayareaboy Sep 2013 #11
From experience, the food is better in the local lockup than Downwinder Sep 2013 #12
Well, that has always been my retirement plan. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #13
I'll beat that! tech3149 Sep 2013 #15
That beats me. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #16
Good idea. RebelOne Sep 2013 #23
At least you are fed and have a bed. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #45
May I recommend Bermuda? merrily Sep 2013 #39
Hey, that sounds nice. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #46
Sorry, but bullshit meanit Sep 2013 #14
Agree with you tech3149 Sep 2013 #22
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2013 #30
Most prison inmates don't have it very good either. That graphic overstates totodeinhere Sep 2013 #18
agreed steve2470 Sep 2013 #21
I'll take my chances in the nursing home shower Boom Sound 416 Sep 2013 #19
This is a diluted comparison postatomic Sep 2013 #20
In response to the GOP and their cutbacks SCVDem Sep 2013 #24
Why settle for prison? Try the Holiday Inn or a cruise ship! Tanuki Sep 2013 #25
I am somewhat offended by this. SheilaT Sep 2013 #26
+10 good point. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #36
Have you ever read A Modest Proposal, by Jonathan Swift? merrily Sep 2013 #40
Yes. And somehow this just does not SheilaT Sep 2013 #48
No. Just no. KentuckyWoman Sep 2013 #27
These graphics are usually not about treating the Ed Suspicious Sep 2013 #28
They won't let you hoard junk in prison. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #31
I almost went that route - prison ConcernedCanuk Sep 2013 #32
I thought everyone understood satire. merrily Sep 2013 #41
OOOH,OOOH,OOOH, Take me... DiverDave Sep 2013 #42
This sounds like something a right-winger would come up with, as if all prisons were country-club raccoon Sep 2013 #44
"and pay rent at $4,000 a month" KamaAina Sep 2013 #47

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
4. Hmm. We have the half of the prisoners in for non-violent drug offenses, and we are spending
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:33 PM
Sep 2013

a trillion dollars a years on wars and the military. Hmmm.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
5. And don't forget! Prison guards make about $15k a year more than the sweetheart who takes care
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:42 PM
Sep 2013

of granma, and the prison guard gets a sweet benefits package, too, while granny's caregiver is hoping and praying that Obamacare will cover the hernia operation for the hernia that s/he got from transferring granma from her bed to her wheelchair.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
8. I never saw inmates have access to computers.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:09 PM
Sep 2013

worked DOC for 10 years.
it is sad that inmates get better treatment then the elderly
that needs to be fixed.

and the sweet bennie package, never saw that either. another
reason I left.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. As a former nursing home employee, I can surely say most are not as described
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:12 PM
Sep 2013

The ones that are, however, are definitely bad.

I loathe the "prisoners ought to suffer" line of thinking as well... everyone should be given decent treatment.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
43. We are the only country in the world that starts a bar fight with,...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

"Yew sound lak one o' dem college boys."

jmondine

(1,649 posts)
10. But the elderly are too feeble for slave labor
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:23 PM
Sep 2013

How do you expect the Prison Industrial Complex to make money from that?

For-profit prisons: One of the worst ideas in the long, sad history of bad ideas.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
11. Well if you have to do time ...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:38 PM
Sep 2013

Go Federal.

I worked at two Fed Prisons and at the first one, my first job was getting rid of the ten pontoon boats for the lake, the lake had to disappear as well.

Tricky Dick was doing something at the time. I never understood what.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
13. Well, that has always been my retirement plan.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:42 PM
Sep 2013

When I can't survive on my own, I plan on robbing a bank.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
15. I'll beat that!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:49 PM
Sep 2013

I'm just going to rent the fastest car I can and find someplace I can hit a solid structure at high enough speed to assure I don't survive.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
16. That beats me.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:52 PM
Sep 2013

I'm too chicken to pull that one off.

Just don't do it too soon.

What a shame that we treat our pets better than we do our elderly and suffering.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
23. Good idea.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:08 PM
Sep 2013

I am having a hard time now surviving on Social Security. So I guess if I get really desperate, I may have to resort to that.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
45. At least you are fed and have a bed.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:46 PM
Sep 2013

I hope that it doesn't come to this when I retire (without any pension and with as much as I have been able to save, which isn't nearly as much as I will need since you can't save too much on low wages), but I have a constant fear of becoming a bag lady in my elder years.

Hence, the pre-planning for retirement emergencies.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. May I recommend Bermuda?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:07 PM
Sep 2013

The women's prison has an ocean view.

When I saw it, during a tour of the island, I decided that would be my retirement plan.

Maybe we can eve have a DU meet up there some day!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
46. Hey, that sounds nice.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:49 PM
Sep 2013

So.....we only have to make sure that we don't spend every penny we have prior to resorting to crime. We will need the travel money to get to Bermuda.

Now, if the "exercise yard" is the beach, I might go to Bermuda sooner.

meanit

(455 posts)
14. Sorry, but bullshit
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:47 PM
Sep 2013

The elderly are being treated like shit in many cases, but the contention that prisons are "country clubs" with free everything is absurd.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
22. Agree with you
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:06 PM
Sep 2013

I've worked in both correctional facilities and nursing homes. Neither are great places to be. There are good and bad in both but neither are one are places you would want someone you love to have to spend any time.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
18. Most prison inmates don't have it very good either. That graphic overstates
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:59 PM
Sep 2013

by a mile the amenities that most inmates get. Of course nursing home residents should have better conditions. But to make that point we shouldn't try to make prison life look better than it is. That's intellectually dishonest.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
21. agreed
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:05 PM
Sep 2013

I'll take the worst nursing home in the country over the very best prison in the country hands down. At least in the NH you have freedom. Prisons and jails suck, for all but the extraordinarily person who dislikes freedom.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
20. This is a diluted comparison
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:01 PM
Sep 2013

But it's still relevant. I've been locked up and I have a lot of experience with Nursing Homes (volunteer stuff). I'd still take the Nursing Home over Prison. Both have issues that need addressed. We treat the elderly like pond scum and most just want them to go away.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
24. In response to the GOP and their cutbacks
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:09 PM
Sep 2013

How about a few hundred thousand elderly getting arrested and blowing up the system?!

Cut healthcare will ya?

Wait until they get a load of this!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
26. I am somewhat offended by this.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Sep 2013

The small amount I know about prison life it is not that good. Yeah, some of our nursing homes could be a lot better, but still.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
48. Yes. And somehow this just does not
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:34 PM
Sep 2013

feel like first class satire. What it feels like is ignorance about what it's actually like to be in prison and what real nursing homes are about.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
27. No. Just no.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:46 PM
Sep 2013

-I totally understand the sentiment and agree the end of life options most people have are an embarrassment. But prisons are awful places that are also a shame upon our collective heads.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
28. These graphics are usually not about treating the
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:51 PM
Sep 2013

Elderly better, but rather they are about treating prisoners worse. I find that idea repugnant.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
31. They won't let you hoard junk in prison.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:31 PM
Sep 2013

Save old instant coffee jars, rotten hatboxes that are fifty years old, pie tins, plastic sacks.....

I can watch Hoarders for about ten minutes, then I get flashbacks from dealing with my crazy packrat mother.....aggghhhhhhhhh!!!

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
32. I almost went that route - prison
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:56 PM
Sep 2013

.
.
.

Was surviving (not really living) on $500/ month in a trailer up to 6 months ago.

No hydro, no running water, not even an outhouse.

Made all sorts of applications, welfare, disability (one arm pretty dysfunctional) - every other social assistance outfit I could find to no avail.

My problem - what crime to commit? - Not a violent person, small town, what to do?

I spent a short time in jail decades ago - jail does not frighten me, at least not here in Ontario.

Quit smoking, ate better, and was in better health when I got out.

Library cart came around each day, so books to read (this was long before the internets) - tv to watch until lights out at 11pm,

clean clothes every 2nd day, shower whenever I want, 3 meals a day -

Anyhow - as I was considering to go in prison for a survival mode,

a totally unexpected inheritance allowed me to buy a home outright, and put enough money in a trust fund to guarantee me a comfortable, not luxurious, but a decent income for the rest of my life.

So I totally get the thrust of the OP -

Prison can be pretty nasty for pedophiles, hard-timers like murderers and so on, but if the offence is not a violent one, you don't get "hard-time" - like supermax or anything.

Years ago, I knew homeless in Toronto that knew the law well enough to break some small law to get jailed for a few months over the winter.

Homeless, Poor, Elderly, Disabled etc. does not = stupid.

I got very lucky just in time imo.

Most do not.

CC

ps: Good Post!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. I thought everyone understood satire.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:12 PM
Sep 2013

Some of the responses to this thread taught me that I was wrong about that.

That's why I enjoy DU. I always learn something here, whether I want to or not.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
42. OOOH,OOOH,OOOH, Take me...
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

I need dental work done, I have no insurance and need oral surgury.
Pretty freakin sad that I have to go to jail to get healthcare.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
44. This sounds like something a right-winger would come up with, as if all prisons were country-club
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:20 PM
Sep 2013

prisons.

I have two relatives and they are in nursing homes with most, maybe all, of the amenities described in the first paragraph.


 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
47. "and pay rent at $4,000 a month"
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:37 PM
Sep 2013

That's the crux of the matter. And for many, that $4,000 a month comes from Medicaid, that is, from us.

That $4,000 a month would be much better spent on home- and community-based services that would allow the elderly to age in place. But the nursing home lobby won't permit that.

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