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(16,149 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)And an hour of sunshine most days.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)a trillion dollars a years on wars and the military. Hmmm.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)of granma, and the prison guard gets a sweet benefits package, too, while granny's caregiver is hoping and praying that Obamacare will cover the hernia operation for the hernia that s/he got from transferring granma from her bed to her wheelchair.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)underpants
(182,788 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,141 posts)Plus friends with benefits.
merrily
(45,251 posts)littlewolf
(3,813 posts)worked DOC for 10 years.
it is sad that inmates get better treatment then the elderly
that needs to be fixed.
and the sweet bennie package, never saw that either. another
reason I left.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The ones that are, however, are definitely bad.
I loathe the "prisoners ought to suffer" line of thinking as well... everyone should be given decent treatment.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)"Yew sound lak one o' dem college boys."
jmondine
(1,649 posts)How do you expect the Prison Industrial Complex to make money from that?
For-profit prisons: One of the worst ideas in the long, sad history of bad ideas.
eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)Thanks for that ray of clarity.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)Go Federal.
I worked at two Fed Prisons and at the first one, my first job was getting rid of the ten pontoon boats for the lake, the lake had to disappear as well.
Tricky Dick was doing something at the time. I never understood what.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)at the senior center.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)When I can't survive on my own, I plan on robbing a bank.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)I'm just going to rent the fastest car I can and find someplace I can hit a solid structure at high enough speed to assure I don't survive.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I'm too chicken to pull that one off.
Just don't do it too soon.
What a shame that we treat our pets better than we do our elderly and suffering.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I am having a hard time now surviving on Social Security. So I guess if I get really desperate, I may have to resort to that.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I hope that it doesn't come to this when I retire (without any pension and with as much as I have been able to save, which isn't nearly as much as I will need since you can't save too much on low wages), but I have a constant fear of becoming a bag lady in my elder years.
Hence, the pre-planning for retirement emergencies.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The women's prison has an ocean view.
When I saw it, during a tour of the island, I decided that would be my retirement plan.
Maybe we can eve have a DU meet up there some day!
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)So.....we only have to make sure that we don't spend every penny we have prior to resorting to crime. We will need the travel money to get to Bermuda.
Now, if the "exercise yard" is the beach, I might go to Bermuda sooner.
meanit
(455 posts)The elderly are being treated like shit in many cases, but the contention that prisons are "country clubs" with free everything is absurd.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)I've worked in both correctional facilities and nursing homes. Neither are great places to be. There are good and bad in both but neither are one are places you would want someone you love to have to spend any time.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)by a mile the amenities that most inmates get. Of course nursing home residents should have better conditions. But to make that point we shouldn't try to make prison life look better than it is. That's intellectually dishonest.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'll take the worst nursing home in the country over the very best prison in the country hands down. At least in the NH you have freedom. Prisons and jails suck, for all but the extraordinarily person who dislikes freedom.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)Thank you.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)But it's still relevant. I've been locked up and I have a lot of experience with Nursing Homes (volunteer stuff). I'd still take the Nursing Home over Prison. Both have issues that need addressed. We treat the elderly like pond scum and most just want them to go away.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)How about a few hundred thousand elderly getting arrested and blowing up the system?!
Cut healthcare will ya?
Wait until they get a load of this!
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)The small amount I know about prison life it is not that good. Yeah, some of our nursing homes could be a lot better, but still.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)feel like first class satire. What it feels like is ignorance about what it's actually like to be in prison and what real nursing homes are about.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)-I totally understand the sentiment and agree the end of life options most people have are an embarrassment. But prisons are awful places that are also a shame upon our collective heads.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Elderly better, but rather they are about treating prisoners worse. I find that idea repugnant.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Save old instant coffee jars, rotten hatboxes that are fifty years old, pie tins, plastic sacks.....
I can watch Hoarders for about ten minutes, then I get flashbacks from dealing with my crazy packrat mother.....aggghhhhhhhhh!!!
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Was surviving (not really living) on $500/ month in a trailer up to 6 months ago.
No hydro, no running water, not even an outhouse.
Made all sorts of applications, welfare, disability (one arm pretty dysfunctional) - every other social assistance outfit I could find to no avail.
My problem - what crime to commit? - Not a violent person, small town, what to do?
I spent a short time in jail decades ago - jail does not frighten me, at least not here in Ontario.
Quit smoking, ate better, and was in better health when I got out.
Library cart came around each day, so books to read (this was long before the internets) - tv to watch until lights out at 11pm,
clean clothes every 2nd day, shower whenever I want, 3 meals a day -
Anyhow - as I was considering to go in prison for a survival mode,
a totally unexpected inheritance allowed me to buy a home outright, and put enough money in a trust fund to guarantee me a comfortable, not luxurious, but a decent income for the rest of my life.
So I totally get the thrust of the OP -
Prison can be pretty nasty for pedophiles, hard-timers like murderers and so on, but if the offence is not a violent one, you don't get "hard-time" - like supermax or anything.
Years ago, I knew homeless in Toronto that knew the law well enough to break some small law to get jailed for a few months over the winter.
Homeless, Poor, Elderly, Disabled etc. does not = stupid.
I got very lucky just in time imo.
Most do not.
CC
ps: Good Post!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Some of the responses to this thread taught me that I was wrong about that.
That's why I enjoy DU. I always learn something here, whether I want to or not.
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)I need dental work done, I have no insurance and need oral surgury.
Pretty freakin sad that I have to go to jail to get healthcare.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)prisons.
I have two relatives and they are in nursing homes with most, maybe all, of the amenities described in the first paragraph.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)That's the crux of the matter. And for many, that $4,000 a month comes from Medicaid, that is, from us.
That $4,000 a month would be much better spent on home- and community-based services that would allow the elderly to age in place. But the nursing home lobby won't permit that.