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immoderate

(20,885 posts)
4. Why he takes on attitude is a mystery to me.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:45 PM
Sep 2013

He fawned over Bush when he posed in a flight suit. And while he usually sounds liberal, he is impressed by displays of power.

--imm

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
7. Yep. And railed against the Clintons.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:53 PM
Sep 2013

He was constantly mocking Bill, and overtly hated Hillary. He's completely flipped on them too. LOVES them both. I'm ok with him now, but hated him for quite a while because of his Bush mongering.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
3. He drives me absolutely nuts when he talks over his guests for one..
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:36 PM
Sep 2013

And second, yeah, he had a boner for bush.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
8. He's a terrible talk show host.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:54 PM
Sep 2013

He blurts out the first thing that pops into his head, no matter how stupid or irrelevant it might be. Worse, he's extremely rude: he's so in love with his own thoughts that he won't let his guests get a word in edgewise. He asks a question, the guest gets about three words into the answer, and Tweety interrupts with a loud dissertation about what he thinks.

Can't stand him, can't watch his show. I don't care if he's a liberal (and if he is, he's very inconsistent about it); he sucks at his job and he annoys the hell out of me.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
9. Perhaps it's his "HA!" or man-crushes...
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:58 PM
Sep 2013

Some people are good interviewers, some people just want ratings... I always thought he represented the latter.

UTUSN

(70,684 posts)
11. Here's a partial summary starting about 15 yrs ago, not even touching on his trashing GORE daily in
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:17 AM
Sep 2013

Coup 2000

************UNQUOTE*******

[font size=5]Chris MATTHEWS [/font]

Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first three or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade of hair coloring he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".




Plus, "Tweety" sounded too affectionate.

Then M-TV held its 20th or 25th or whatever anniversary, and all the cable echo chambers were doing segments of Britney shedding her duds down to almost nothing. Not to be left behind, Tweety followed suit, with a guest "culture" commentator from Time Mag, the young humor columnist, Joel STEIN. The staff kept re-running the Britney clip, and Tweety was clearly DROOLING disgustingly. STEIN said, "You're beginning to creep me out." Tweety responded, "Yeah, well, wait till YOU're 50." This led to the suggestion that "Tweety" be modified to "Tweezer" to retain the hair reference while canceling out the affection factor and also adding the (dirty old) "geezer" angle.

Darrell HAMMOND "Doing" Tweety on SNL. Tweety's ego was massively stroked after the debut of HAMMOND's impersonation of him, either in 2001 or 2002. He said, "I am now an ICON: I have been 'done' on Saturday Night Live'." The funniest line in the debut was HAMMOND as Tweety, cracking himself up with, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"For the ... FIFTY ... people who watch this show[/FONT]...” (Hardball, not SNL). In the first few times HAMMOND featured him, the target was Tweety himself -- manically interrupting, spitting, and drooling. However, the characterization evolved, not true to the original, where Tweety became the "rational" character surrounded by oddball, extremist "guests", with HAMMOND-Tweety shaking his head in disbelief at their partisan spin.

"Turning" from Being a Democrat. He (like G.E.RUSSERT and Pat CADDELL) still trades on having been a Democrat in the CARTER/O'NEILL era. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweety's bosses' rears, and Tweety gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized by the Liberal Elite, lo those many years. Tweety started doing video valentines to RAYGUN, promenading arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. The last time he was identifiably a Democrat was sometime around 1988 when Hardball (the book) was published. Throughout the year of Campaign 2000 he savaged the Dem candidate daily and went on to years of bromance over Shrub, renouncing any Democratic heritage. He said his parents were “cloth coat" (Rethugs), and that basically what first drew him to the Dem side was Irish-Catholic pride over JFK. Not ideology, not idealism. He said the reason he joined the Peace Corps was specifically to avoid going to Vietnam.

How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby&quot . So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.

How Tweety "Triggered" a Gun Incident (re: Kathleen WILLEY). At the height of the FAKE impeachment, Ms WILLEY claimed that a mystery jogger had threatened her or her cat or somebody, with the insinuation that there was a CLINTON connection. Several months later, there was gossip that the jogger had been identified. Tweety hosted her and it appeared they had discussed the identity off camera. He tried mightily to get her to say the name on the air, which she wouldn't do. Finally, he himself blurted it out, "Was it (Name/Surname)?" She wouldn’t confirm it. Within days there was a bizarre incident, with the mentally disabled brother of Pat and Bay BUCHANAN going with a gun to the house of the supposed jogger named by Tweety, where there were only some foreign exchange students present. Later it was determined that the person Tweety named on the air had NOTHING to do with the supposed jogger incident.

"Heroes" Tweety and Tom DeLAY. In the aftermath of the 07-24-98 shooting of two Capitol police officers when the slain officers were duly eulogized and called heroes, Tweety latched on to this, the way we have seen him attempt to glorify himself in other instances: Like saying he was assigned to Africa in the Peace Corps and "WALKED THE SAME GROUND" THAT CHURCHILL had passed through. Or when he said, "I am an ICON! I have been 'done' by SNL!". So now that the Capitol policemen were being called heroes, Tweety came forward to say that HE had been a Capitol policemen, TOO, JUST LIKE THEM, when he was starting out. It turns out that he had worked a (temporary?) job for three months as that. In all the years before the officers were shot and eulogized, he probably NEVER referred to that job, most likely thinking of it as a rent-a-cop turn, until he could see in retrospect the glory that he had been DESTINED to from the beginning.

But he is not the only glory hog. When that incident was happening, the news of the moment reported that Tom DELAY had hopped a plane out of town and immediately turned around in Houston when the incident was over. This show of courage is why he has been dubbed, "Tom-DePLANE!-DePLANE!-DELAY".

But searches of countless news reports of that time show no mention of the hopping-the-plane. Only this is left:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm /... "...House members, many rushing out of town, did not have to remain behind. DeLay slipped out the main door of the Capitol less than 15 minutes after the shooting. He looked stricken. Asked if he'd seen anything, he said, "Did I ever. I don't want to talk about it." Aides rushed him into his waiting car. ...."
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Samantha

(9,314 posts)
12. Before the Internet became prevalent, Chris Matthews would say one thing on the East Coast
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:18 AM
Sep 2013

and then write an article to the contrary published in a West Coast periodical. I had zero respect for him for that. During the 2000 election, he made a lot of remarks about Al Gore that I felt were influenced by GE's ownership of MSNBC. Jack Welch hated Gore and Clinton both because they made him spend a lot of money cleaning up toxic waste GE had dumped into a body of water.

There is no question he has a lot of friends and does come up with some good commentary some times but I can take him or leave him now. I do think he is afraid of being eased out at MSNBC, and his insecurity does show.

Sam

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
13. Agree- he comes from a progressive /Democratic party viewpoint
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:24 AM
Sep 2013

Not as liberal (IMO) as Ed however. Was in the Peace Core, worked for Tip O'Neil and a few others in politics as a speechwriter (all Dems I believe). But what aggravates many of us (including me), about Tweety, is his blustery, obnoxiousness especially during interviews when he talks over people and doesn't let them speak their minds or make their points- sometimes some really fascinating guests with important things to say (very frustrating). There are times I find myself wanting to scream out loud in anger just watching him. I think it's fascinating that he gave up one of his time slots to get Ed back on in the evening and he's no longer the major moderator during important events- Rachel has in fact, taken over that role most of the time (which makes me very happy since she's my favorite). But I think he means well overall but his big ego and big mouth get in the way and he seems to trip over himself.

UTUSN

(70,684 posts)
16. Nope, nip, nix. He has said he went into the Peace Corps specifically to avoid Vietnam plus
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:51 AM
Sep 2013

the ethnic IrishCatholic pride over JFK. He has said his family were "cloth coat (Rethugs)." His history has been of opportunism: First moving to Dem because of JFK, but then rising as a flunky in the Dem machine; as a flunky, he got all prestige from the (reflected) SUCCESS of his bosses, and therefore worships success, and when RAYGUN beat the pants off of CARTER, he started his move back to the Rethug side of things. He trashed GORE daily all through the year of Campaign 2000 and said he voted for Shrub. He trashed CLINTON during the Fake "impeachment," has shown misogyny for various women including Hillary and his wife. He had prolonged bromances over Shrub and Mc5planes. Despite his supposedly being against the Iraq Attack, he was totally on the bandwagon for it all the way until about 2005 or '06. When Shrub's follies were undeniable, he turned to OBAMA, and a recurring question back then was whether some of us could consider the possibility of rehabilitation or how much is enough.

Our, or "my" wariness of him has nothing to do with the STYLE of his bluster, interrupting, or big mouth; everything to do with the concrete content of his traitorous behaviors.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
15. He's all style, very little substance.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:33 AM
Sep 2013

Not a person I'd want in my inner circle because he does what he does, even boneheaded moves, solely for ratings. His style is narcissistic. He never digs deeper than the ephemeral top layer.

I'll be honest, tho'. I "like" very few of the "political pundits" that occupy time slots in Propaganda TV. For example, I truly liked Rachel Maddow when she was only on Air America, but I'm disappointed by her performance on the MSNBC roster, a roster which includes such luminaries as Richard Engel (either wearing/not-wearing a gasmask to show the gravity of his embedded situation.)

My biggest problem with Chris Matthews is that time spent enraptured by his froth could much better be spent doing one's own research -- and that Chris Matthews portrays his "hardball" as some equivalent to actual journalism.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
17. He hated Clinton and loved the lesser Bush
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:12 AM
Sep 2013

He's not one of us, he is a parroting Beltway insider, full of himself and Beltway shit.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
18. He's a loudmouth spitball who constantly shouts down guests
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:12 AM
Sep 2013

The man will not let a guest finish a sentence. I can not stand him.

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