Think Progress: Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder

[Botany]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/13/2617131/largest-gun-study-guns-murder/

The largest study of gun violence in the United States, released Thursday afternoon, confirms a point that should be obvious: widespread American gun ownership is fueling America’s gun violence epidemic.

The study, by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health. Siegel and his colleagues compiled data on firearm homicides from all 50 states from 1981-2010, the longest stretch of time ever studied in this fashion, and set about seeing whether they could find any relationship between changes in gun ownership and murder using guns over time.

Since we know that violent crime rates overall declined during that period of time, the authors used something called “fixed effect regression” to account for any national trend other than changes in gun ownership. They also employed the largest-ever number of statistical controls for other variables in this kind of gun study: “age, gender, race/ethnicity, urbanization, poverty, unemployment, income, education, income inequality, divorce rate, alcohol use, violent crime rate, nonviolent crime rate, hate crime rate, number of hunting licenses, age-adjusted nonfirearm homicide rate, incarceration rate,and suicide rate” were all accounted for.

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[pipoman]

1. Two questions

since this is about the 10th time this has been posted..

1. I haven't seen who/what funded the study.

2. Where did the picture you posted above come from, I didn't see it in the article?

[mikeysnot]

2. Did you read the study?

[pipoman]

3. scanned it a couple of times

haven't had time to read it yet...didn't see who funded the study and the word 'funded' isn't in the text of the study.

[mikeysnot]

6. Reading is fundamental!

Second paragraph....

The study, by Professor Michael Siegel at Boston University and two coauthors, has been peer-reviewed and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health.

Your scanner needs repair.

[pipoman]

9. If you notice

I didn't ask who did the study, I asked who funded the study...studies of this magnitude are almost always funded by someone or something..indeed, reading is fundamental..

[mikeysnot]

11. It is a university study.. reading and understanding is fundamental!

reading and understanding is fundamental!

It was funded with tax payer money from the university. That is what universities do, research.

And since the gun industries have lobbied congress to stop collection of gun statistics at the federal level to hide the truth of their costs to society.

If the statistics were on their side and guns did do the things they claim, the gun industries would be all about collecting ALL data for dissemination.

You are welcome to read and not scan the report and actually submit your own study for peer review as a rebuttal.

If you are trying to attack the messenger by suggesting the financiers have an agenda and they were working back from a predetermined disposition then good luck with that.

[pipoman]

12. Do you really not know

that many, if not most "university studies" (of this magnitude) are funded by external sources? LOL

[pipoman]

14. then there's this..

And since the gun industries have lobbied congress to stop collection of gun statistics at the federal level

Apparently the CDC, FBI, and BJS haven't received that memo (and I'm sure there are 10 other agencies I am not mentioning)..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/26/1219171/-President-Obama-orders-CDC-to-assess-research-on-gun-violence

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?iid=4616&ty=pbdetail

Looks like a whole lot o'law breakin goin on or maybe you are repeating talking points which are demonstrably false?

Further, only an idiot could look at the stats and state "more guns = more murder" because again, the actual numbers falsify that single statement completely..

[etherealtruth]

16. You can be assured it wasn't the NRA

"How the NRA Kills Gun violence Research"

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1

[Botany]

7. I would imagine that Boston University and or the American Public Health Association ....

.... funded the study. But me thinks you are trying to shift the topic to the funding of
the study and not to the results of the study that show more guns = more gun deaths.
The NRA has worked for years has to block such studies.

The picture is from google images after I did a search for "gun shows."

[pipoman]

10. So the entity who funds a study is irrelevant to you? Or is it only irrelevant

if you agree with the results/findings of the study?

Was the choice of a brown person holding a scary gun what you were seeking, or was that just a coincidence? Why not use the image from the article?

[Botany]

15. what matters to me is that the study was peer reviewed science

peer reviewed science

Peer review is the evaluation of work by one or more people of similar competence to the producers of the work (peers). It constitutes a form of self-regulation by qualified members of a profession within the relevant field. Peer review methods are employed to maintain standards of quality, improve performance, and provide credibility. In academia peer review is often used to determine an academic paper's suitability for publication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

[hack89]

4. Do you have a link to the actual study?

the link in the story takes you to a paywall - just wondering if I can get the study without paying for it. Thanks.

[Botany]

5. From what I could understand is that the study will be published in a future

.... version of the American Journal of Public Health.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/

[hack89]

8. So perhaps we should wait until we can read the actual study

before commenting.