Bernie calls out Barack

[Scuba]

[Ninga]

1. If not now? When? Big business has given a cold shoulder to the

American Worker.

I stand with Bernie.

[yurbud]

151. if he hadn't done it for four and a half years, why would he now?

[Egalitarian Thug]

2. K&R For Bernie. n/t

[treestar]

3. Become the POTUS speech writer

Or get elected yourself, lol!

Does each Senator get a say in what the POTUS says. Maybe he can just read their speeches like the Dutch King.

[ljm2002]

19. So in other words...

...since Bernie is not the President or his speechwriter, he may not voice his recommendations to the person who IS President? Only the President or his speechwriter can state an opinion on what the President should do or say? Wait, that doesn't make much sense...

In fact, it is utter nonsense.

As to your question (well it looks like a question although you seem to be unclear on your English punctuation) -- Yes, each and every Senator may remark on what they think the President should do or say, as may each and every member of the House of Representatives, and each and every citizen of the USA -- in fact, each and every person in the entire world is free to remark upon how they think the President should speak or act. The President, in turn, is free to accept, reject or ignore any and all such statements.

[treestar]

113. All posts responding to my post

like yours, are false.

I did not say he could not say anything, that's ridiculous.

But he seems to have put in quotes what someone else should say.

If he wants the POTUS to say a thing that he quotes word for word, he has to be the POTUS. That goes for anyone else.

I am disgusted at how DUers deliberately misinterpret what another DUer says just to be hateful.

My point was clear to anyone reading in good faith.

[ljm2002]

123. Oh that's rich...

..."All posts responding to my post (...) are false." Wow, that's quite the statement. In fact, if that many people "misunderstood" what you meant, maybe the take-home lesson is you need to learn how to communicate better.

Anyway, if you want to hang your hat on Sanders' phrasing it as "The President has got to say...", well be my guest. But that does not alter the fact that your response is because of WHAT he said, not HOW he said it.

Had Sanders said, for example, "The President has got to say that he supports Larry Summers 100%", somehow I don't think we'd be having this little exchange.

[grahamhgreen]

163. It's a policy position. If the President is on the side of the billionaires, he's not on our side.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

171. At this point, how do we know that he is not a billionaire or future billionaire?

All of us can now look to his actions instead of his words.

[grahamhgreen]

176. I can hear the others luring him with tales of "dynastic wealth" and the like.... gag.

[dotymed]

250. Senator Obama was groomed and heavily financed

by billionaires. Penny Pritzker and a cabal of elites took this junior state senator (an unknown), financed his election to federal senator and groomed him for the WH in a whirlwind style.
Their speech writer wrote what average Americans were desperate to hear (me too) after 8 years of Bush, PNAC and an increasing police state and unitary executive. Then a manufactured financial crisis was shoved down our throats (it could not have been a surprise to Summers or any insider). They easily got Obama on board with the looting of America.
Things went from terrible to even worse with the retention of the PNAC crowd after "our savior" ( I firmly believed) was elected.
Sadly Obama's actions were in lock-step with the billionaires who financed him.
Obama, who had campaigned against government secrecy, increased this practice and privately put a bounty on whistle-blowers.
The first black president, a man who gave the impression of standing with the masses (like FDR actually did) was so believable that he was sworn in and given the Nobel Peace Prize based on his promise. His actions in the preceding years have been the opposite of what average Americans expected.
The excuse of a House opposed to his every action, has, IMO been staged as Obama has willingly followed the script of corporatists
that have run "our" government since (at least) Reagan.
He has scorned Progressives (like Bernie) that were his perceived base, from the beginning. He even tricked Sanders into voting for the ACA (Bernie Sanders knew that Americans deserved more).
We still have many hopeful Americans who believe that in his final years as POTUS he will redeem himself and his legacy by taking Progressive action to help the masses and re-define the role of the wealthy in our society. There has been no sign (except when candidate Obama was up for re-election that this is a possibility.
Sadly, the chasm between haves and have-not's has drastically increased under his "leadership."

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

251. Brilliant summation.

Thank you.

[woo me with science]

256. [phone]

Superlative post.

[MrMickeysMom]

232. treestar... try to be more clear...

... about your general disgust, because if you can't assess the message of this Senator, then you haven't been assessing much on DU.

Try not to think everyone hates you because the POTUS is getting the finger pointed at him.

[totodeinhere]

38. Senator Sanders is a member of a coequal branch of the government. He has every right to speak out

on issues.

[Aerows]

87. Absolutely he does

and I find it telling that a member here on DU would state otherwise.

[sabrina 1]

83. Yes, each Senator DOES get a say in what the President says, IF what he says

may lead to any decision regarding the people they are all supposed to be representing, which means THE PEOPLE, not the CORPORATIONS or WALL ST.

That is why we have co-equal branches of government. We don't have a 'king', we have an 'Executive Branch' which doesn't get to make decisions alone much as some people would like it to be way.

Which is why the focus in elections should, and hopefully, from now on will be on Congress and the Senate. That is where the people's power really lies. Too much money and time is spent on the WH races and far too little on Congressional races. THAT is the change that should be apparent by 2016.

[NealK]

93. What an odd post.

[MrMickeysMom]

233. What's so "odd" about it...

... is that it cuts off any consideration of how a democracy works, me thinks...

[rhett o rick]

95. Or better yet, "sit down and shut the F up." Is that what you mean?

Are you upset with what he said or that he said it?

[Scuba]

231. I personally prefer "shut up, he explained".

[merrily]

105. Not only each Senator, but anyone who wants a say gets one.

It's called the First Amendment.

Between 2000 and 2008, what was your reaction when Democrats criticized what President Bush said or left unsaid?

[Vanje]

155. Treestar has left the thread

Treestar was out of her or his depth, here.

[yurbud]

153. that would be better than reading the ones written by Wall Street

Actually, Obama seems to be free to say what he likes as long as he follows their orders to the letter.

[Hissyspit]

192. Sanders wasn't elected?

[kelliekat44]

4. I think Barack has already done this...in many ways. nt

[Scuba]

5. Bernie apparently doesn't.

Neither do I.

[rhett o rick]

97. Neither do I. nm

[tblue]

114. Neither do I. nt

[MissDeeds]

116. Neither do I n/t

[Vanje]

117. Neither do I.

[MuseRider]

120. Me either. n/t

[840high]

138. Neiher do I.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

172. Neither do I

[grahamhgreen]

177. Neither do I.

[dflprincess]

181. Nor I

[NuclearDem]

188. Neither do I.

[bread_and_roses]

237. Nor I (n/t)

[LWolf]

239. Neither do I. nt

[tridim]

6. Yes he has, in more ways than anyone else in DC, including Bernie Sanders.

ODS is very freaky when it affects smart people.

[hootinholler]

10. Please continue

I'm sure you can wax poetically and in specificity about the numerous times and many ways The President has taken the upper crust to task.

[L0oniX]

23. Shhhhh! Those are national security secrets ...for our own good. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. ...

[Aerows]

89. I'm more interested in hearing how an elected Senator

has ODS.

[roguevalley]

193. he doesn't. the bog feels free to post their adoration everywhere. I am

surprised I'm not banned from this thread already.

[Aerows]

202. It gets sickening after a while

I'm sure there is "ODS" but there is also OD-ing on love for a politician to the point where you think they can do no wrong.

Some middle ground is very necessary.

[roguevalley]

204. not to zealots, darling. I crashed a 26 foot truck and trailer into the back end

of a Honda Accord three hours ago. THat sort of set reality for me. I feel that way with government anymore. I am the accord. Obama and the Government is the truck. But then he already knows that. He reads my email. And if he doesn't, he should. I use emoticons.

[Aerows]

207. Holy shit

are you okay?

[roguevalley]

221. Yeah. I was driving a 26 foot about ten or twenty ton truck with a trailer

when someone decided to stop without signaling to turn left onto another road. They didn't use their mirrors or signals and I slammed into them with a crash heard around the world. I was breaking like a bitch but I was only given 100 unexpected feet to stop in. People need to SIGNAL and LOOK AROUND. I hit her and she ran across the room, across a ditch and landed in a flat place. Her entire rear end of her Honda Accord was accordianed.

USE YOUR DAMNED SIGNALS!

USE YOUR DAMNED MIRRORS!

It could have been terrible. I didn't get hurt and she refused treatments so when she went off with a smile after talking to the trooper, I would say she is fine too. What a fragging day. Hug your mama.

[rhett o rick]

98. I got it, he appointed Penny Pritzker, the female Mit Romney. That's how he shows his

love for the 99%.

[juajen]

228. What do you call the Insurance Company barons? They are working

their heads off to try to prevent Obamacare from becoming real. They will and are losing money. Refunds to their customers when they cannot prove that 90% (?) of premiums go for health care, and not bonuses for their bigwigs. They also hate having to cover pre-existing conditions, adult children to the age of 26 and no cap on coverage, and closing the donut hole for senior citizens is making the pharmaceutical industry nuts. Did I mention that our deficit is the best its been in years?

Why do you expect perfection when he has to deal with the blathering idiocy that Limbaugh and Fox spew on a daily basis; the fortunes that the wealthy will and are spending to maintain Citizen's United; and the billions big oil and big business pay politicians right, left and center to further their interests. There is a BAD reason that our elected representatives leave Congress with millionaire status.

I was and am a Hillary supporter, but I am tired of Obama being torn down by people who should be supporting him. I believe he is struggling to stay afloat in a quicksand-filled quagmire of gigantic proportions. Some support from the people he is trying to help should be given to him and his administration.

We never like everything a President does, but, by damn, he is our President and a Democrat. I have never believed that we shouldn't hold him and our representatives responsible. His youth and lack of experience was one of the reasons I did not support him in the primaries. Wow, was I jumped on for that. Honestly, I wouldn't blame Hill if she just threw in the towel. It is a thankless job, fraught with difficulties and disgust, and we, his supposed base, help the situation not at all.

Stop tearing him down. Give him the respect he deserves and the help he needs. Also, keep telling him in a respectful way how you feel about what he has accomplished and still needs to work on.

That said, if Hill runs, I will proudly vote for her; but, for now, I have a democrat in the White House, and I am very proud of our very first Black President.

[Scuba]

243. You think Obama's a Democrat? Not even Obama believes that ...

[cali]

18. bwahahahahaha. ODDS kills brain cells and some of the afflicted

don't have a single one to spare, hon.

And no. Alas, this President has done relatively little to show he stands with working people against the billionaires.

but please, continue making shit up. You always do and YOU are always wrong.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

34. Crying "ODS" is a cop-out.

It's not even worthy of a response. It's the same as the reactionaries deflecting criticism of Bush with "BDS."

It's root, root, root for your own team, and if anyone says something critical, out comes the "ODS" response.

[cali]

49. which is why I've coined ODDS- Obama Defenders Derangement Syndrome

[Fantastic Anarchist]

72. Ahh, missed that.

Very good. It'll be part of my lexicon now.

[NealK]

92. I've been wondering what it meant after reading one of your replies to Probiotic.

Obama Defenders Derangement Syndrome, I like it.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

110. Good. And if you want to make it official, just add the TM

ODDS™ = Obama Defenders Derangement Syndrome™

[LondonReign2]

59. So what? So Vermont has 600,000

people and a lot of them are white. What does this have to do, pray tell, with the President's policy record in regards to the average person?

[LondonReign2]

65. So you're saying he plays to "a certain crowd"?

But that "certain crowd" in Vermont, DOESN'T want to see things get done, they don't want the government to actually govern?

Could you be a bit more blatent?

[cali]

66. lol. you clearly know nothing about Vermont

And sorry but Bernie has indeed been an effective voice in the Congress.


He's referred to as "America's Senator" by a whole lot of people.

Liberals and Progressives support him. Third way types like YOU, don't.

[busterbrown]

139. Agree! However we need people such as Bernie to constantly remind our party of our priorities, goals

and who we really are.. We live in a real stupid country and most republicans consider Bernie a nut case Socialist.. The media never takes him seriously because of that..

[1StrongBlackMan]

190. Bernie IS a Socialist ...

But that said ... we do need his voice to push the party to the left.

But more, we need him to write and introduce progressive legislation. Then we need him to convince the majority of the other 98 Senators to push said progressive legislation. Then he needs to partner with someone in the House (Grayson?) to write and introduce progressive legislation in the House. Then they, together, can figure out a way to get a majority of the other 434 representative to pass said legislation.

That is far more useful than telling the President what he should say or even do.

[Scuba]

127. Ding, ding, ding. Sub-thread win!

[dflprincess]

183. "Bernie is beholden to his constituents"

How refreshing - what a pity that more elected officials, including the president, don't feel that way.

And, just how is an appeal to stand up for working people only going to play in a small state with a less-than-diverse population? I'm pretty sure most states are made up mainly of working people who have been screwed for the last 30 years.

[Doctor_J]

141. I think Cali_Dem is trying to says Bernie is a racist

just like everyone else who criticizes the president

[cali]

64. So what? what does that have to do with anything?

Vermont is also a leader in many, many ways and has been for centuries

First state to abolish slavery

First state in which an African American graduated from college.

First state to elect an African American to the state legislature

First state to pass civil unions

First state to pass same sex marriage in the legislature

First state to pass a law establishing single payer health care

Yes, Vermont is small, but it's a progressive innovator.

[cali]

80. sheltered? that's just silly.

and sorry, but Vermont is a progressive leader.

[Isoldeblue]

96. I believe the point is that

it's far easier to be progressive in Vermont, then in a state like Illinois. There are fewer on the right there to buck, than there are in other states.

For instance, here in Florida, progressives fight an uphill battle all the time, whereas in Vermont, it's easier to push progressive ideas.

[LondonReign2]

119. Cali Democrat has been quite clear in this thread

You see, Vermont has a bunch of white people. And if someone suggests Obama should stand for the little people -- not criticize him, mind you, simply say the President should fight for the 99%--well, the state is small and its full of white people. And see, those white people in Vermont are sheltered, and Bernie only plays to "a certain type of people", i.e., white ones...and according to Cali Democrat, *other* Americans are interested in seeing government work, but by implication the white ones in Vermont aren't. Because they are sheltered.

Nice playing of the race card. I've seen it done more subtly by Fox.

[NealK]

94. "Let's be real here"

In what alternative reality do you live? That's one of the lamest attempt to discredit someone who dares to criticize Obama I've ever read.

[NealK]

108. Whatever.

[Cali_Democrat]

112. back atcha. n/t

[pangaia]

147. Putting men on the moon was't practical either.

I don't think 'practical' is necessarily the deciding factor.

[Cali_Democrat]

148. Yes it was. n/t

[pangaia]

150. Not until it was possible.

[morningfog]

196. "I'm not trying to discredit Bernie" That is exactly what you are trying to do.

[roguevalley]

199. it isn't 'practical' because third ways will settle for dregs and hero worship.

Bernie is a dem. He acts like one. I know. I'm old. I can remember politics and this country before reagan.

[Scuba]

128. Ergo Barack should govern like a conservative Republican? Huh?

[Scuba]

133. Right, after all, who cares about Medicare and Social Security and wages when there are ....

... trade agreements to be negotiated in secret???!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

134. Nobody said not to care about Medicare, Social Security and wages

In fact, Obama recently proposed increasing the minimum wage.

Nice straw man you built there.

[Scuba]

135. Proposed an increase to the minimum that's still well under a living wage...

... proposed nada on Medicare for All and proposed CUTTING Social Security.

I call that a fail when it comes to protecting the poor and middle class from the billionaires.

[Cali_Democrat]

136. Again...you and your ilk prefer an all or nothing approach.

You will never get anything done that way.

Thankfully Obama is much more competent and realistic than the 101st chairborne pounding away on their keyboards.

[Scuba]

137. That's hardly "all or nothing". That's still sacrificing MOST to the 1%.

[busterbrown]

149. They hardly mention the Filibuster nor the takeover of the House by a bunch of crazed gun loving

racists in 2011...

Everything which was passed by this administration was passed by the skin of someone’s teeth.
Never want to talk about that much.

[roguevalley]

200. we would like him to have dem ideas and push them. All or nothing.

It IS all of nothing of those in the path of cuts. Nothing has been done about corporate welfare. But then, he already knows what I think. HE BUGS MY SHIT!

[morningfog]

197. There are no true representatives of American democracy.

[Vanje]

159. Like they govern in Alabama

because its not "sheltered", and has a long history of racial diversity.

(Fuck , YAH! Its sarcasm!)

[roguevalley]

195. wow. vermont goes under the bus because the AMERICANS there fail the bog test.

[Vanje]

205. +1!

[Cali_Democrat]

209. What's the bog test?

[roguevalley]

220. insufficiently respectful, etc. I remember posting a reply to a post on the

greatest page unaware that it was from the bog and I got banned from that group.

[Cali_Democrat]

222. The bog is the Obama group forum?

I'm not sure if I've ever even posted there before. I'm certainly not aware of any bog tests.

Sorry.

[roguevalley]

227. I think that is what the letters mean ... Barack Obama Group. I was posting in a rush to a

thread on the greatest page. Apparently, my content didn't meet the taste test and I received a note that I was banned from posting there. I had no idea I was posting there. I was just commenting on a thread on the greatest page. I wrote to say so to no avail. Not that I want one. I don't want to post to a group where even the slightest comment that is not supportive in a complete way is enough to get your banned. Needless to say, for the first time since joining back in the day, I look to see what forum the post is from before joining. Now I have to self edit because of this. Amazing. Reminds me of that other forum where you get 'zotted' if you so much as blink insufficiently. Just telling my experience.

[QC]

230. They are now up to 123 banned members. n/t

[roguevalley]

257. wow. they might want to disable their posts to the greatest page. I don't look at what

forum its from when I offer my opinions. It doesn't seem like they have a strong sense of themselves or Mr. Obama when they do this. Very sad all around to me. (As I check which forum this is going to)

[Aerows]

90. What state do you feel is representative of America?

Let's narrow this down so that we are on the same page. Vermont obviously isn't "American" enough.

I'll wait.

[Vanje]

158. I think "elite" may be the word you were looking for.

or "Arugula-eating latte-liberal" , .....or limosine liberal.
Isnt that what they call em of Fox news?

Or you could just come out and say Vermonters are less American than other people.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

268. A little joke about Yankees.

In the U.K., a Yankee is a person from the U.S.

In the U.S., a Yankee is a person from the north

In the north, a Yankee is a person from New England

In New England, a Yankee is a person from Vermont, and in Vermont,
a Yankee is a person who eats apple pie with cheddar cheese for breakfast.


Perhaps Vermonters should be called the 'Cheese topped Pie eating elite.'

[Vanje]

269. In Idaho

A Yankee is a member of a baseball team.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

271. Never heard of them before.

[roguevalley]

194. so the mid west has more say than anyone else? Alaska has 700K

people and we keep you warm and your cars running. I wasn't aware that size matters but apparently it does. By the way, we get people from everywhere. I think my state is more representative than Illinois because of that diversity.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. Yeah verily yeah, Yeah verily yeah.

Can you be sure that Bernie has the fabled ODS? Perhaps he is just a racist.

[tridim]

44. You tell me why Sanders is ignoring what Obama is saying.

No, he's not racist. Why did you even say that?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

77. Is Sanders ignoring what the President hasn't done?

Please proceed, tridim.

[bvar22]

48. That really is all they have left.

I would be too embarrassed to post crap like that at DU,
but apparently, some here don't have that shame limit.

[Aerows]

91. I'm kind of stunned, to be honest

I would have never have guessed that someone would post such tripe here.

[Scuba]

129. To some, the President can do no wrong.

I'm not one of them.

[RC]

28. He has, a long time ago and most of us are on the wrong side of that line.

There also seems to be a question of who really has ODS and who doesn't. Willful Blindness seem to be a major affliction of those that have been accusing others of ODS.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. Yeah, no kidding.

Willful blindness seems to be a major affliction of those that have been accusing others of ODS.

[bvar22]

52. Its ALL they have.

History, Track Record, Reality, & Logic all oppose what they are trying to sell,
so they are left with just making stuff up, like ODS.

[raindaddy]

29. Populist Obama!!!

He fought for middle-class folks who lost their investments because of deregulation and bank fraud by punishing the guilty and breaking up the too big to fail banks.

He stood up to the Republicans and drew a line in the sand when it came to making any cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

He's rewriting trade agreements that hand more power to global corporations at the expense of workers and the environment.

He fought his ass off for a health care system that includes every American, eliminates greedy health insurance companies when it comes to basic health care.

He insisted on a robust stimulus bill that focused on spending to create decent paying jobs instead of tax cuts.

He followed through on his promise to get rid of Bush's tax cuts for the rich!

Somewhere there's an Obama that reflects the populist ideals that once was the cornerstone of the Democratic party... He usually appears when he's campaigning or when he's off playing 12 dimensional chess.

[lark]

36. Dreams, dreams, dreams.

I really like your dreams, too bad they are only stories heard during the campaign season that vanish like snow after the election.

[NealK]

100. You forgot that he single-handedly defeated the Soviet Union.

Oh wait, it was Raygun, his idol, who did that.

[busterbrown]

140. Great... Now your conflating Ronald To Barack..

Funny?

[roguevalley]

201. stood up, fought for. Insists upon. Okay. Yawn.

[Skittles]

107. ODS swings like a pendulum do

[Vanje]

157. The text of your message has disappeared

You probably included examples.
Alas they're gone!

[MrMickeysMom]

234. Please elaborate...

I'm sure you have a good explanation, and I'm all eyes on this one...

[TBF]

13. How has Barack done this? Please be specific. nt

[cali]

17. then list those "many ways".

[tridim]

47. Did you miss his speech on the subject earlier this week?

DERP.

[cali]

51. bwhahahahaha. no, I didn't miss it

I don't think he said what you're claiming he said, dearie.

[tridim]

55. You're completely delusional Cali.

Get well.

[cali]

79. lol

You're the one who needs help, honeypie. Obama Adorers Derangement Syndrome has you in its steely grip.

[tridim]

244. I can't help you if you don't listen to what the President says.

Sorry sweetcheeks.

[Scuba]

130. That's your defense of your position? If so, you should re-examine everything you believe.

[beerandjesus]

78. Don't feel bad, I'm delusional too.

[tridim]

245. If you don't listen to what the President says, then yes you are delusional or you just don't care.

[beerandjesus]

255. Well, if the only criterion is "listening to what he says"....

...then I guess Boehner stands with the American people too!

Not to mention all the teabaggers.

[LondonReign2]

61. Oh, a speech

Well then, that certainly counts as an accomplishment for the average person....

[cali]

82. you're delusional if you don't know that Obama is the greatest man ever!

[NealK]

104. He's our savior!

[LondonReign2]

122. It must be because I'm white

or a Paulbot, or libertarian, or something.

But a speech! Woohoo. Suck on that banksters!

[busterbrown]

143. Sounds like all three..I mean four

You guys hardly talk about the Filibuster for his first 2 years.
from 2011 it was all about the Muslim Commie.
Amazing what he did.. Despite!

[grahamhgreen]

165. Yes. No solutions.

[MrMickeysMom]

235. Tell us about it...

without using "derp"... I know it's easier to use, "derp", but see if you can try...

[L0oniX]

21. OFFS ...LOL

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. What's so funny?

[Marr]

84. Really? How so? /nt

[Aerows]

88. I don't think he has

and neither does Senator Sanders.

[Enthusiast]

103. Not in any meaningful way in words or action........nt

[Tiredofthesame]

160. Neither do I.

But To be fair, kellie is somewhat right. He has "SAID", jobs, jobs, middle class, middle class, gobbledygook, jobs, middle class, quite a bit.

Pushing the TPP IN SECRET, asking for the Nixon fast track, on the other hand, certainly doesn't help support the empty words he has spoken since 2007.

[99Forever]

208. Nope, not at all.

[Flatulo]

210. I'd like to see am FDR-style, unequivocal 'fuck you' to the hyper-wealthy.

[tazkcmo]

7. Uh oh

Under the bus with you Mr. Sanders.

[Le Taz Hot]

8. See above. n/t

[QC]

9. No surprises there. n/t

[woo me with science]

124. And not just Senator Sanders under the bus...

All of VERMONT!

[QC]

125. All 626,011 of them suffer from acute ODS!!!

I will never eat maple syrup again!

[busterbrown]

144. Who said that or are you just being clever?

The only objection to Sanders is that we live in a real stupid country in which one political party considers Bernie an extreme left wing nut case (Socialist) Because of that the MSM pays little attention to him. But its gonna take a progression of slow steps until people start realizing the goodness for which he stands.

Obama step 1....

[deutsey]

11. FDR on "monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering"

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/od2ndst.html

[LuvNewcastle]

12. Sanders has been speaking out a lot lately. Hope he keeps it up.

[tridim]

15. As has the President. I hope they both keep it up. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

184. So true …

But I guess I’d rather he write the progressive legislation that will move America in a more progressive direction … then get the other 98 Senators to pass said progressive legislation.

[ReasonableToo]

226. There are "blue dog"dems and DINOs - I'd like to have ...

... a "Sanders" Dem representing me.

[bigwillq]

14. K and R

[L0oniX]

20. Today's news from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.):

Obama Fatigue: Disgruntled Democrats have bolted from a White House that they complain has not consulted Congress enough, failed to assert leadership, has been too passive and ceded momentum to Republicans. “If you read the papers, you almost think the Republicans are in control,” Sen. Bernard Sanders told The New York Times. “They're constantly on the offensive. Democrats are on the defensive.” The lack of strong leadership, Sanders added, has created a vacuum. “'I think you're going to see more independents saying, ‘Mr. President, we look forward to working with you, but we're not simply going to accept your leadership and your ideas. 'We're not going to follow you. You're going to have to work with us.’ ”

Sanders Heads South: Sen. Sanders is heading to South Carolina next month for the South Carolina Progressive Network fall retreat, the Charleston City Paper reported. "We look forward to Senator Sanders sharing his vision for our nation with us," said Donna DeWitt, president of the South Carolina Alliance for Retired Americans, which is cosponsoring the event.

Household Incomes: Despite the addition of more than two million jobs last year, soaring corporate profits and continuing economic growth, income for the typical American household did not rise in 2012 and poverty failed to fall, new data from the Census Bureau show. “The poverty and income numbers are a metaphor for the entire economy,” Ron Haskins of the Brookings Institution told The New York Times. “Everything’s on hold, but at a bad level.” Over a longer perspective, the figures reveal that the income of the median American household today, adjusted for inflation, is no higher than it was for the equivalent household in the late 1980s.

Food Stamps: The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program kept 4 million Americans out of poverty in 2012 according to Tuesday's annual update from the Congressional Budget Office. New analysis shows that 3.8 million Americans would lose food stamps under a House Republican proposal to cut spending by 5 percent, The Huffington Post reported.

Continue reading here: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/newswatch/091813

Posted on Facebook

[Scuba]

57. Thanks for adding this L0oniX.

[1StrongBlackMan]

185. I like Bernie’s policy positions …

But I find this:

Obama Fatigue: Disgruntled Democrats have bolted from a White House that they complain has not consulted Congress enough, failed to assert leadership, has been too passive and ceded momentum to Republicans. “If you read the papers, you almost think the Republicans are in control,” Sen. Bernard Sanders told The New York Times. “They're constantly on the offensive. Democrats are on the defensive.” The lack of strong leadership, Sanders added, has created a vacuum. “'I think you're going to see more independents saying, ‘Mr. President, we look forward to working with you, but we're not simply going to accept your leadership and your ideas. 'We're not going to follow you. You're going to have to work with us.’ ”

A little disingenuous … isn’t he blaming the President for the Senate’s lack of action. In order to make that argue, Bernie would have to point to all the Democratic (and independent) legislation that has passed the House and Senate and President Obama has vetoed?

Or, is the President now charged with writing legislation?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

198. "is the President now charged with writing legislation?"

No, but he is charged with leading the party.

[1StrongBlackMan]

212. That's a buck passing ...

simplistic line of bull. The President can cheer-lead, yell, scream, bribe, beg, cajol and threaten; but at the end of the day, it is the responsibility of the legislature to legislate. Their failure to do so, is their failure.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

213. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

Where Does the President stand in all of that?

Also, speaking about bucks...

[1StrongBlackMan]

238. He would probably ...

say the world is far more complex than can be described by a simply platitude ... and I would agree with him.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

252. How wonderful of you to tell me what he might say so yo can agree with it.

Here's something Truman actually said.

“We must remember that the test of our religious principles lies not just in what we say, not only in our prayers, not even in living blameless lives - but in what we do for others”
― Harry S. Truman

Religion aside, this quote has more in common with what Bernie Sanders is saying, and lays at the roots of what needs to be done for the great many Americans who are suffering right now.

Not Drone strikes.

Not attacking other countries.

Not appointing one percenters to screw us more.

Not the wholesale spying on your citizens.

Not saying one thing but doing far less or a different thing.

Not meeting the republicans half way.



Actions need to follow words.

[1StrongBlackMan]

259. Well ...

I would suggest that you write to Sanders and get him to write and get passed the legislation to deal with all of that ... the rest is just giving pretty speeches.

BTW ...

Truman also actually said (religion really aside):

"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a nigger or a Chinaman.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19911103&slug=1314805

So forgive this Black man for not getting all misty, and convinced, by an empty platitutde ... even if you find it useful.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

260. I would suggest that the President stop appointing coporate suits to positions of power

while the people continue to suffer.

the rest is just giving pretty speeches.

Senator Sanders has every right to voice his concern for what the de facto leader of the Democratic party does or doesn't do, and you have every right to ignore it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

261. And his not appointing corporate suits ...

to positions of power will produce progressive legislation, how?

Senator Sanders has every right to voice his concern for what the de facto leader of the Democratic party does or doesn't do, and you have every right to ignore it.

Thank you. I recognize Bernie's right and my rights; But, if you don't mind, rather than ignore Bernie's exercise of his right, I prefer to exercise another right that I have ... the right to offer a more progressive response:

Bernie (and others) could actually write the progressive legislation that will move America in a more progressive direction … then get the other 98 Senators to pass said progressive legislation. Then, we'd all be amazed at how America has been moved in a progressive direction.

And don't even try with the "defecto leader of the Democratic Party stuff ... some Democrats seem (with this President) to have a need to express their independenceness ... we all want a "leader" until it comes to the following part.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

262. The corporates suits that you intimate don't exists...

Penny Pritzker: (see banking failure)

Michael Froman: Citigroup (see Wall Street failure)

Tom Wheeler: (see venture capitalist and former communications-industry lobbyist)


I agree that appointing them will stifle progressive legislation. The POTUS does a disservice to progressiveness everywhere when he taps these people to important positions where true progressive reformers should be appointed.

When the POTUS does the opposite of progressive policy how are you able to be blind to that and spin.


Perhaps this kind of post by you works better in the swamp.

[1StrongBlackMan]

264. I have not intimated anything ...

How do appointing them stifle the progressive legislation that has not been enacted into law?

When the POTUS does the opposite of progressive policy how are you able to be blind to that and spin.

What are you talking about? How is asking progressives to actually write and work to pass progressive legislation and stop talking about the President's failure to enact progressive legislation, that they have not written or passed, spin?

Perhaps this kind of post by you works better in the swamp.

The swamp? What is the swamp?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

265. "I have not intimated anything ..."

And his not appointing corporate suits to positions of power will produce progressive legislation, how?

[1StrongBlackMan]

266. Roll your eyes all you want ...

but your non-response is duly noted.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

267. For a supposedly strong man you give weak replies.

[1StrongBlackMan]

272. Your continued non-response ...

continues to be noted.

Should I demonstrate my strength by launching a non-responsive personal attack on you ... like you do? Is that a demonstration of strength?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

273. See post 262.

[1StrongBlackMan]

274. See post #264. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

275. 264 was a blatant lie, but then you know that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

277. Okay ...

This is getting silly ... it's a "blatant lie" because you say so.

I'm done.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

279. it s a blatant lie because you were caught in it. Yes, you are done.

[1StrongBlackMan]

280. Yeah, okay; but ...

if you'd be so kind as to point out the lie that I know I told?

Was it asking how does appointing "corporate suits" stifle the progressive legislation that has not been enacted into law?


Or asking, how is asking progressives to actually write and work to pass progressive legislation and stop talking about the President's failure to enact progressive legislation, that they have not written or passed, spin?

Or, my asking what is the swamp?

[Surya Gayatri]

242. ^^^This!^^^

[1StrongBlackMan]

247. I have used an analogy to explain this ...

line of reasoning:

Blame the President for congressional inaction because of a "lack of leadership" is like blaming you when his/her friend refuses to lend you his/her car.

You can go to your friend and ask, plead, bribe, threaten, or give him/her all the arguments for doing so, or otherwise attempt to pursuade your friend; but in the end, your friend will make his/her own decision on whether or not to lend the car ... and it would be absurd to blame your "lack of leadership" for the action (inaction) of another.

[Surya Gayatri]

248. In my living memory, and I'm pushing 70, there has

never been a blatantly obstructionist Congress such as this.

It's all well and good to mouth platitudes like: "The buck stops at the Prez' desk, blah, blah, blah."

But, there is no way to deal, compromise, or even talk with these people. God knows, BHO has given it his best shot.

Their stated agenda is to render this president ineffectual and to frustrate his programs.

They're doing everything within their Congressional purview to accomplish that goal and nothing else.

The whole raison d'être of the Republican held House is to force this president to fail.

[1StrongBlackMan]

258. So true ...

and we mustn't/shouldn't forget/ignore the seemingly pathologetical need of some Democrats to express their "independence" ... their need to demonstrate that they aren't in lock step with anyone by opposing this President. (see: the gun control vote).

[L0oniX]

214. Maybe having those trade deals negotiated in secret is having an affect.

Maybe offering a SS CPI deal has soured some Dems. Maybe leaning way too far into the Repuke zone turns them off. Some of them may even wish to stick with core old school Dem values. Who knows ...maybe some of them believe jobs for the middle class is more important than threatening Syria. But hey ...at least we can look forward to a veto on the ...attack the poor and hungry by cutting food stamps sociopath repuke 1% agenda.

[1StrongBlackMan]

246. how is that response to my post? ...

But that said ... the facts don't support Bernies statement (or rather the person writing what Bernie said) ... Democrats are not "bolting from a whitehouse", let alone for the reasons that the OP states ... and absolutely not for the reasons you state.

at least we can look forward to a veto on the ...attack the poor and hungry by cutting food stamps sociopath repuke 1% agenda.

Yes, will can ... Now is we only could look forward to Bernie writing the progressive legislation that will move America in a more progressive direction … then, get the other 98 Senators to pass said progressive legislation. Isn't that his job?

[truedelphi]

219. That ws a satisfying read.

Any time I read anything Senator Sanders has written or stated, I start to feel like there is at least one person in the Senate who gets it.

And I really wish he was the one in the Oval Office.

[L0oniX]

223. He's not perfect but a hella better than most. n/t

[dotymed]

253. What a great POTUS Senator Sanders would be.

I have followed his political career for decades. He is a Proven, Peoples Senator.

He does not fear the PTB. I would have a positive outlook for America that I haven't had in decades.

[Uncle Joe]

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Scuba.

[Autumn]

25. I stand with Bernie. Bernie stands with the people

rec

[alp227]

26. Will Obama MEAN it though? nt

[rury]

27. President Obama has said many times that he stands with

working families!
Does Bernie not LISTEN???
Poor Bernie is starting to sound like a pathetic broken record!
If the working people want the government on their side, they have got to stop shooting themselves in the foot by sending republicans to Congress!
And the Democratic base has got to stop staying away from the polls in midterm elections!

[RC]

30. It would help if certain a Democrat would stop appointing Republicans to head government agencies.

[busterbrown]

152. So its bad when our first Black President who is considered a Muslim Terrorist by many, Born in...

Kenya by many more and simply un American by even more, tries to play I’m a moderate card... Just to alleviate all the fear which is at the heart of all this?
I think its working!

[1StrongBlackMan]

186. Possibly …

But what would help more is for Bernie (and others) to write the progressive legislation that will move America in a more progressive direction … then get the other 98 Senators to pass said progressive legislation.

[bvar22]

58. What Obama "says", and what he "does" ...

...are often Two Very Different Things.
Nobody disputes that Obama can give a great speech.


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS,[/font]
not by their excuses.

[LondonReign2]

63. He;s listening

--as in listening to the pretty speeches-- but he isn't seeing-- as in isn't seeing any actual policies that help the average person. Banksters: plenty of help. Average person: pretty speeches.

[Marr]

85. Cite some actual actions, please.

In my opinion, Barrack Obama removed all doubt as to his actual agenda when he chose to take a pass on fully rescinding the Bush Tax Cuts. All he had to do was nothing at all, but instead, he managed to work out another "compromise".

[busterbrown]

154. In order to prevent the shutdown of govt.. Are you kidding me?

Elections coming up? Kidding me..

[Doctor_J]

142. The President also said he wouldn't put chained CPI on the table

and that he would stand with labor. And that the HC plan would include a public option. He lies from time to time

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

270. Comfortable shoes and all...

[1ProudAtheist]

31. Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson

These are the ONLY 2 voices in Washington that can be counted on to represent the people instead of representing those who helped them get elected or re-elected.

That is why their voices, their opinions, and their views, are so important.

When these 2 talk, I, for one, listen. I know that they indeed do have what is in my best interest in their hearts. That is hard to say about most of the rest in DC these days, Dems as well as Pukes.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

35. Don't forget Senator Warren.

[JustAnotherGen]

71. And

John Lewis, Donald Payne, Maxine Waters, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison, etc. etc.

[Scuba]

131. Grijalva, Baldwin, Duckworth, etc.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

173. Duckworth? What makes her a liberal or a progressive? Has she even made noises about being

a liberal or progressive?

Her &quot D)" label doesn't make her such. Her gender doesn't.

Has she proposed any liberal or progressive legislation?

Respectfully, I don't think that the powers-that-be which put her into her position wanted a liberal or progressive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

187. Voices is right …

Now what we need is actual legislation and then work to get that legislation passed.

[1ProudAtheist]

191. With Little To No

support from 1600 PA. Ave. no meaningful legislation will get passed. BO took a powder after the healthcare debacle and has given in to virtually every repuke demand since then. What it is going to take to get something positive done with this congress, is for the POTUS to grow a spine.

There are enough progressives in both chambers to make a difference.........more than the amount of teabaggers, and yet look at what they are accomplishing. If it takes hyperbole, if it takes propaganda, even if it takes outright lying that like they do, then get to it........right now, each and every day, louder by the minute, until positive changes are made. They were promised, then conveniently forgotten once the votes were counted. What we have now, is a corporate stooge masquerading as the POTUS. Every decision that he makes has the best interest of big business, Wall Street, or the MIC in mind, and the hell with those folks like us who elected him.

Stop negotiating with MY SS, MY MEDICARE, and MY BEST INTERESTS. He needs to start playing hardball with those punks starting right now with the budget negotiations and carry that directly over to the debt ceiling deal. No budget deal without the repeal of the sequester, and the elimination of corporate and farmer welfare tax loopholes.

Kill the Keystone Pipeline once and for all, and close Gitmo and all other black prison facilities worldwide. End all overseas conflicts and bring our military back home to STAY. Turn his attention to the plight of our citizens and forget about what the Syrians are doing to Al-Queda. We have far more serious problems here at home than any overseas. As I said, it is high time for this president to grow a spine or we will have at least 4 more years of right wing oppression starting in 2017. This congress is hell bound to stop this president from having a record for failure at every turn. It is time to change the rules, up the ante, and get down to some serious business or BO is going to be forever seen as a spineless wonder, a gimmick, and will set back race relations for another century if we allow these racist bigots to win these battles.

[1StrongBlackMan]

211. I disagree ...

What it is going to take to get something positive done with this congress, is for the POTUS to grow a spine.

The President does not have a vote ... spine or not. In terms of legislation, the President is Constitutional on the side lines ... it's that co-equal branches of government thing.

There are enough progressives in both chambers to make a difference.........more than the amount of teabaggers, and yet look at what they are accomplishing. If it takes hyperbole, if it takes propaganda, even if it takes outright lying that like they do, then get to it........right now, each and every day, louder by the minute, until positive changes are made.

You're kidding, right? Lying? Principled Democrats don't do that! That's largely what separates us from the gop.

Stop negotiating with MY SS, MY MEDICARE, and MY BEST INTERESTS. He needs to start playing hardball with those punks starting right now with the budget negotiations and carry that directly over to the debt ceiling deal. No budget deal without the repeal of the sequester, and the elimination of corporate and farmer welfare tax loopholes.

I appreciate the sentiment; but there is that thing called governing ... and governing in this divided government and divided populace means compromise. We get all caught up on the appearance of toughness and all; but for us ... you and I ... it's easy because we face no penalty for failing to govern ... Just because the modern gop doesn't give s sh!t about governing, doesn't mean we should follow suit.

And BTW, no one has negotiated with your SS, or Medicare or your "best interests", however you might define them.

It is time to change the rules, up the ante, and get down to some serious business or BO is going to be forever seen as a spineless wonder, a gimmick, and will set back race relations for another century if we allow these racist bigots to win these battles.

I don't think that President Obama gives a srap about his being seen as a "spineless wonder", so long as he moves the ball in a more progressive direction ... and he has.

Finally, the racist bigots have not won any battles.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

32. Somebody has to ...

... this president seems disinterested in working families, and if Senator Sanders has to remind him, then more power to him.

[tridim]

50. So I guess you missed the President's speech on this exact topic earlier this week? nt

[Laelth]

70. When the President disavows the TPP ...

... then I'll know for certain that the President has the best interests of American working families at heart. At this point, a speech won't do it.

-Laelth

[Fantastic Anarchist]

74. Speeches are nice, warm, fuzzy peaches.

But they do little do put food on the kitchen table.

[Whisp]

167. so you are saying Bernie's suggestion wouldn't do anything anyway.

Even though the President has talked about inequalities in America ever since I heard him speak!

ok.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

175. I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders.

I'm talking about the many speeches Obama has made.

[Whisp]

178. so Bernie isn't suggesting that Obama use his words in a speech?

I thought you just said speeches are peeches or something, and don't matter...

so

what Bernie is suggesting Obama say (although the President has said that very thing many times) wouldn't matter either then, right? Because it would be 'just a speech'.

Unless it wasn't in one of Obama's speeches, maybe if he had those words embroidered on his golf shirt instead it would work?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

179. What Obama needs to do is actually do what he says in his speeches.

[Whisp]

180. and Congress, what do they have to do?

seems Obama is taking the brunt of it all from all sides.

like Congress isn't even in the mix and the President just has to getter all done on his own.

you do know how this system works, don't you?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

182. Congress hasn't done their job, either.

But that doesn't absolve Obama from his role.

[Marr]

86. You keep offering a speech in place of policy examples.

I can't say I'm surprised.

[Demo_Chris]

33. Obama can save his speeches. I want action. nt

[tridim]

53. Where is Sander's "action"?

Meanwhile the President is busy doing things like making sure the poor have access to healthcare so they can finally get ahead in life. It's called "action".

[Demo_Chris]

60. When id he do that? All I remember is a mandate to buy insurance...

From the same companies fucking the country over today.

[piratefish08]

67. ^^ this ^^

[AnotherMcIntosh]

174. ^^ this ^^

[tridim]

240. That would be because you're short-sighted and ignorant.

Read the law. https://www.healthcare.gov/

[cali]

69. bwahahaha. you really don't know much about this.

What is the part of the ACA that actually provides the most services to the poor? What Bernie fought for and got.

I doubt you have a clue as what that is.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/legislation/issue/primary-health-care

[Tiredofthesame]

161. Oh please.

It's not health care reform its health insurance reform.
A mandate to buy insurance from the same insurance companies that reap profits now is no health care reform we needed.

Don't get me wrong, it helps a lot of people who didn't have access to health insurance. And that's it.

Obamacare is the republican plan that they had against the Clinton health care plan. The fact that they are trying to repeal, 41 times, THEIR OWN PLAN, is proof enough your watching a play happen. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

[tridim]

241. Where is Sanders' action?

[JoePhilly]

68. You mean like that found in post #37?

[busterbrown]

156. Great then start with the Extremists in the House and then ..

the freaking Blue Dogs in the Senate.. Then I’ll pay a little attention to your comment..

[1StrongBlackMan]

189. How are Bernie’s …

Speeches any more, or less, indicative of action, than those of President Obama?

[ProSense]

37. Why It Matters That Home Care Workers Just Got New Labor Rights (updated)

No one seems to care when Obama does something really positive. From the time he announced this proposal, it was largely ignored. Very few people were pushing for it.

Why It Matters That Home Care Workers Just Got New Labor Rights

By Bryce Covert

On Tuesday, the Department of Labor announced a rule change to the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) that will finally expand protections to cover home care workers. President Obama had pledged in 2011 to undo a labor law loophole known as the “companionship exemption” to grant these workers the same labor protections enjoyed by other workers, and now they will be guaranteed minimum wage and overtime pay.

Here’s what you need to know about why this rule change is so important for the workforce:

Home care workers have been denied the same rights as other workers. The FLSA was expanded to cover domestic workers in 1974, who had been left out of the original bill. But a carve out was added for those who provide “care and fellowship” to the elderly and disabled in their homes. That loophole has been so broadly interpreted that home care workers, who feed, clothe, and bathe their clients while giving them medical care, sometimes around the clock, have been left out of these basic labor rights. When home care worker Evelyn Coke sued her employer for denying her overtime pay, the Supreme Court ruled that her employer’s actions were completely legal.

Home care workers make very little and many struggle to get by. Home health and personal care aides make just $9.70 at the median, or $20,170 a year. Many make too little to get by. In New York City, for example, 60 percent make poverty wages, with almost a third earning less than $15,000 a year. Nearly 40 percent of the workforce earns so little that they have to rely on public benefits to get by. One woman who has cared for a mentally disabled woman for ten years still makes just $8.87 an hour and works 199 hours every two weeks, giving her client around-the-clock care, without getting any overtime pay.

These jobs are part of a booming industry. Home health jobs are in high demand and the need for them is going to keep rising as more and more people need in-home care in their old age. Nearly 2.5 million people are already employed as home care workers, making it one of the largest occupations. The number of jobs is expected to grow by 70 percent by 2020. But the demand for these workers will likely outpace the supply over the next decade. Giving them a higher wage and paying them for overtime work could help attract new people to the industry.

- more -

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/09/17/2634411/home-care-workers-rule-change/

Background: Obama Administration Aims To Fix Loophole Letting Home Health Workers Make Less Than Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022403409

Updated to add:

Information on the Final Rule: Application of the Fair Labor Standards Act to Domestic Service
http://www.dol.gov/whd/homecare/finalrule.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023684107

Yet a Senate in which members are simply going through the motions get a pass for not doing what they can to improve the situation. They need to mix fighiting the President with fighting among themselves to get shit done. Why was it so easy in the case of Syria and not on other issues?

I mean take food stamps. Why the hell did the Senate vote to cut food stamps in June? Why didn't a single Senator raise hell to push for an increase? Why weren't there petitions and quotes posted and members of Congress making the rounds demanding no cuts?

Senate passes SNAP cuts on a bipartisan 66-27 vote.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022987698

All except two of the no votes were Republicans:

Roll call
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00145

Senate committee slashes food aid, again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022843017

[Tiredofthesame]

164. All these blue links since 1:00 and no replies. Made my night.

Here I'll give you one.

Is it possible everyone on this thread has you on ignore?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

203. Who are you talking to?

Couldn't help it.

[NCTraveler]

39. What an irrational and strange thing for someone to say.

[leftstreet]

43. DURec

[nolabels]

45. Perhaps a little listening for those tuning in Bernie Sanders

The dirty little secret of how Barack keeps everybody at bay is that he never goes to bed with any of them. He has stated again and again that he is the President for all of the people. Knowing this helps me understand what is going on and so if others are pontificating anything, good or bad, it's also easy to realize who the real audience is.

Bernie Sanders is one of the most honest politicians around but calling out Obama is only a tool to get people listening and he surely knows the effects on the President will be little.

[totodeinhere]

46. Here's more from Bernie.

If you read the papers, you almost think the Republicans are in control,” Sen. Bernard Sanders told The New York Times. “They're constantly on the offensive. Democrats are on the defensive.” The lack of strong leadership, Sanders added, has created a vacuum.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/newswatch/091813

[bvar22]

56. I STAND with Bernie!

It would be nice if we could claim him as a Democrat,
but the Democratic Party Leadership moved way too far to the Conservative Right for Senator Sanders to follow.

DURec for Truth Teller Senator Bernie Sanders!


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[MuseRider]

76. Love the way he talks.

He is a great man. He is made of the stuff presidents used to be made of.

Thank you Senator. You are a good man.

[QC]

81. Bernie Sanders never really loved him!

[rhett o rick]

99. Why would Bernie suggest that the President lie? He stands with Penny Pritzker. Duh! nm

[snappyturtle]

101. ...and Rubin. nt

[rhett o rick]

102. Let's not get started on the list. nm

[Phlem]

109. Bernie Gets It.

And I will always be on his side.

-p

PS. and Warrens side too.

[MissDeeds]

121. Agree, on all counts

[blkmusclmachine]

111. Don't hold your breath, Bernie.

[Vanje]

115. Welp. Everyone move over. Make room under this bus for one more.

Here comes Bernie!

[Vanje]

118. Hell, He's probably been there a while

He's probably all settled in.

[Precisely]

126. "and if my bosses hate me, so be it."

[WillyT]

145. Hear... Hear...

[yurbud]

146. he would, but then he'd look back over his shoulder to the rich and mouth,

"just kidding, boss! I'll call you."

[Whisp]

162. The President has said just that many times.

What is Bernie smoking?

[grahamhgreen]

166. LOL Link?

[Whisp]

168. you are kidding.

he has spoken about the inequalities many times. About the middle class being the backbone of America, and how they are being ripped off, how everyone deserves a shot if they work hard about how the super rich should pay their share, etc. etc. etc.

maybe you were in the bathroom or something all this time.

[grahamhgreen]

169. No, I'm not.

Love a link to him saying, "I welcome their hatred"

Extract from famous 1936 speech in Madison square garden....
"For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me‹and I welcome their hatred."

[Whisp]

170. you want me to go hunting for links for you?

ha.

look up his speeches and you'll probably come across those references you and Sanders deny he ever said, in about 3/4 of them.

but I don't think you are really interested.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

206. Actually if you make a statement then you should be able to back it up with content.

When cornered the best thing is not to take a page out of the republican playbook and say "you go look for the evidence that I say exists."

If you say it exists, like this;

The President has said just that many times.

Then there should be no sweat wasted on your part to present evidence to support your claim.

[Whisp]

216. I'm not playing your game.

I don't have to prove to myself what I know and remember and I don't think you are asking me in any kind of friendly manner.

There is a poster here that supplies many links to support her posts and she get howled and laughed at by the people that couldn't give a shit about Information - they just want to ridicule and play playground bully like dull children do.

So if you are interested, go take your own time to look it up, I'm not taking mine to do it for you. I see upthread that you have a bad reaction to anyone with 'blue links' anyway.

gawd.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

217. Famous quotes and the like.

"I believe in what I believe and what I believe is right."
-Some knob-headed twit

[Scuba]

229. You lost this round, badly.

[Whisp]

254. ha! sez You?

[DeSwiss]

215. K&R

[iamthebandfanman]

218. If only hed approach the wealthy as FDR did..

by telling them to either give up and pay 90% income tax or risk losing their entire industries to a peoples revolution by socialist leaders

youd be surprised how quickly 90% can seem not so bad anymore

[liberal_at_heart]

224. Hell yeah! Go Bernie!

[juajen]

225. Thank you, God, and Vermont, for Bernie Sanders!

[Snake Plissken]

236. I'd like to see him do more than say it

I'd like to see him actually do it

[AzDar]

249. Bernie!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

263. Kick

[lonestarnot]

276. Yes he does.

[LibAsHell]

278. Why can't Bernie be President?

:sigh: