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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:26 PM Sep 2013

Pope Francis warns Catholic Church must change on abortion and gays or 'fall like a house of cards'

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a lengthy and remarkably blunt interview with La Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S.

In the 12,000-word article, Francis expands on his ground-breaking comments over the summer about gays and acknowledges some of his own faults. He sheds light on his favorite composers, artists, authors and films (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada&quot and says he prays even while at the dentist's office.

But his vision of what the church should be stands out, primarily because it contrasts so sharply with many of the priorities of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. They were both intellectuals for whom doctrine was paramount, an orientation that guided the selection of a generation of bishops and cardinals around the globe.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/pope-warns-church-must-find-new-balance-or-fail

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Pope Francis warns Catholic Church must change on abortion and gays or 'fall like a house of cards' (Original Post) The Straight Story Sep 2013 OP
That's a very good start, but it also needs to be inclusive towards women in the priesthood... hlthe2b Sep 2013 #1
It'll be interesting to see how this is received. el_bryanto Sep 2013 #2
Listen to what he's actually saying cap Sep 2013 #3
You're right. Let's hope he is phrasing it this way to get people used to the idea. stevenleser Sep 2013 #4
That's why I say he's just a politician. He's re-arranging the furniture. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #9
Add "artifical contraception" to that HockeyMom Sep 2013 #5
How long before he dies in his sleep? egold2604 Sep 2013 #6
This guy si starting to almost sound human get the red out Sep 2013 #7
I hope New Pope Guy has an official food sufrommich Sep 2013 #8
The Jesuits are smart, tough, and often devious starroute Sep 2013 #10
I'm rooting for "fall like a house of cards." Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #11
d i t t o ! ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #14
The OP headline is (unlike the real headline) False. cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #12
The headline is from WCPO where I got the story: The Straight Story Sep 2013 #15
Yep. And he's still saying "we need to have a discussion about women"...as if women CTyankee Sep 2013 #20
To clarify, it's not a change of position, but rather a change on focus. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #13
I think your interpretation is correct. hedgehog Sep 2013 #19
Looks like somebody was paying attention these past few decades. Rex Sep 2013 #16
It's become a guilty pleasure of mine to watch various right wing Catholic hedgehog Sep 2013 #17
Vatican III? nt nyquil_man Sep 2013 #18

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
1. That's a very good start, but it also needs to be inclusive towards women in the priesthood...
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:30 PM
Sep 2013

I still hope he comes around, but this is hopeful.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. It'll be interesting to see how this is received.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

I suspect there will be some prominent conservative Catholics that are going to be up in arms.

Bryant

cap

(7,170 posts)
3. Listen to what he's actually saying
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

He's not going to back down on abortion or gays but just not go about it so vociferously. He will talk about other things like poverty but he won't do anything about it.

Rhetoric will change but not actions and church interference in public policy.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
4. You're right. Let's hope he is phrasing it this way to get people used to the idea.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:36 PM
Sep 2013

I have some hope that this Pope will make some big changes regarding the Catholic approach to the LGBT community.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
9. That's why I say he's just a politician. He's re-arranging the furniture.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 02:34 PM
Sep 2013

If he actually makes any doctrinal changes, then I'll be impressed.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
5. Add "artifical contraception" to that
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:41 PM
Sep 2013

Something that has been ignored for decades. Maybe the Pope needs to tell that to Cardinal Dolan??????

starroute

(12,977 posts)
10. The Jesuits are smart, tough, and often devious
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:02 PM
Sep 2013

Those haven't always been virtues -- but in this case, I think they are. The Jesuits may be the only force within the Catholic Church that can tell the Church it needs to get its house in order and make that stick.

Francis isn't a weak, isolated figure the way John Paul I was. He's dealing from a position of strength and he's got a lot of trump cards in his hand.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
12. The OP headline is (unlike the real headline) False.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:06 PM
Sep 2013

The pope did not saying anything whatsoever to suggest that the church alter its view of abortion.



The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
15. The headline is from WCPO where I got the story:
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:40 PM
Sep 2013

WCPO ‏@WCPO 2h

Pope Francis warns Catholic Church must change on abortion and gays or 'fall like a house of cards' http://ow.ly/p1J1y

http://www.wcpo.com/lifestyle/religion/pope-francis-warns-catholic-church-must-change-on-abortion-gays-or-fall

I merely linked to the source they used (the AP) since both came across twitter at the same time.

The very first sentence says:

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

CTyankee

(63,909 posts)
20. Yep. And he's still saying "we need to have a discussion about women"...as if women
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:11 PM
Sep 2013

aren't really IN the discussion. AND after he said very clearly that "the door is shut" on the whole idea of women priests...ta ta...

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
13. To clarify, it's not a change of position, but rather a change on focus.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:17 PM
Sep 2013

What he appears to be saying is that too many on the church are obsessing over those small handful of issues when there is a lot more in the world to be discussed.

So for people expecting a radical change in position by the Church on those issues, it's not going to happen.

(Although the Church really does need to re-consider its position at the least on the contraception issue, IMHO).

Rather, it was a rebuke of people who think Catholics should only talk about those things.

And that definitely needed to be said.

I like this Pope. I really do.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. I think your interpretation is correct.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:50 PM
Sep 2013

I expect a huge backlash as people's expectations are raised and then dashed when teachings regarding same sex marriage, contraception, women priests etc. are not changed. There may be some actual movement regarding married priests.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
17. It's become a guilty pleasure of mine to watch various right wing Catholic
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:47 PM
Sep 2013

bloggers twist themselves into pretzels proving that Pope Francis didn't really say this or that, or he was taken out of context, etc. Occasionally one really loses it and more or less asks, Is the Pope Catholic?

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