"The Republican Party is destroying America"

[babylonsister]

The GOP Is Threatening Murder-Suicide With New Shutdown Warnings
by Kirsten Powers Sep 19, 2013 5:45 AM EDT
If the president refuses to defund Obamacare, House Republicans are happy to retaliate with a government shutdown. What they’re really headed for is complete ruination, says Kirsten Powers.


The Republican Party is destroying America.

Harsh words, yes. But inescapably true. It’s a bit of a murder-suicide. House Republicans’ willingness to lay waste to the country to satisfy their fringiest faction will ultimately guarantee the GOP irrelevancy as a national party, unless they change their ways. In the meantime, they seem determined to take us all down with them.

There isn’t even a feint toward decency. In what has become a recurring nightmare, House Republicans are using budget negotiations to play chicken with the stability of the American economy. This time, they want President Obama to agree to defund his signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act. If he refuses to strangle his own baby in the crib, Republicans are happy to retaliate. They’ll shut down the government. These are not people with whom one can work.

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Said Ornstein: “The bizarreness of this monomaniacal focus on Obamacare, given that it is fundamentally a Republican program from the 1990s mixed in with Romneycare,” says it all. “Obamacare relies on the private sector; there is no public option. That you are willing to bring the country to its knees to sabotage it … just shows this is a party that has gone off the rails.”

Just how damaging have the congressional Republicans been to the country? “If you look at what could have happened in a reasonable political system, with give and take … we would have been on a more robust path to growth,” said Ornstein. “We’ve gone from one credit agency downgrading us to a far greater likelihood that we will default. If sequester continues … it is a cancer eating away at national parks, food safety, basic research … it’s a terrible situation. No matter how much {Republicans} talk about how it was Obama’s idea … the whole idea was to create such awful consequences that no sane person would accept it. But these aren’t sane people.”

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[Ninga]

1. I hope high heaven that this is the beginning of a murmer that will turn into a

roar and the a rumble!

Something, somehow, somewhere has to give.......

[Blue Owl]

2. Like a tantrum-throwing toddler with a full diaper and an oversize plastic bat

Stinkin' up the place while smashing everything it possibly can.

[gopiscrap]

3. The fucking repukes have been destroying America since reagan!

[abelenkpe]

5. So true! nt

[gopiscrap]

6. at least that's when they didn't hide their intentions anymore

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. It wasn't always that way.

In Illinois, we had a GOPer named John Anderson. He began as one of the most conservative GOPers in congress. But by his third term as congresscritter, he evolved into a social liberal. Despite this transformation, he held a great deal of support and respect from both sides of the aisle.

He ran for president in 1980, but lost to some conservative creep named ronald. Before his death, he endorsed Barack Obama for president.

If more senators were like Anderson instead of like Kyl or Cruz, we'd have a much healthier nation.

[gopiscrap]

17. I remember him

you also had Charles Percy and Everett Dirksen

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. I met chuck in my yute.

He was an impressive man in person, and in public.

[gopiscrap]

30. wasn't his daughter murdered?

[ANOIS]

35. Yes

Senator Rockefeller's (WV) wife is her twin sister.

[gopiscrap]

55. Wow I didn't know that.

[NewJeffCT]

71. Good guy

I ran into him several years ago - I was on a rental car shuttle bus going either to or from an airport. Somebody in the back asked him, "Are you John Anderson?" and it was him. Seemed like a nice guy for the few minutes we were in the shuttle together.

He's also the only vote for president my father ever made that wasn't for a Democrat - he never trusted Republicans, but disliked Carter and his religiousness and because he wasn't a great leader. (I think Anderson ended up with over 6% of the national vote?)

[Rebl]

31. You

Got that right!

[SunSeeker]

69. Yes indeed. nt

[WillyT]

4. We Need To Call Them What They Are... ECONOMIC TERRORISTS !!!

See how they like THAT meme.





& Rec !!!

[LuvNewcastle]

7. That's it. That's what they are.

[Peacetrain]

8. +1000

good call

[ruffburr]

9. To See the-

R/W Republican dream in action one can just take a look at Detroit, This is the america they want,Nothing but ruin and hardship for the people, Skimming and payoffs for the politicians, Too just say these people are heartless is to let them get away with treason, If they get into power the whole country will go the way of Detroit, All i can say is get out the VOTE in 2014 send these bastards home or to hell which is probably the same thing.

[judesedit]

10. Vote these losers out of office. 2014 is right around the corner. Get your ID's now.

[Iliyah]

19. That but also realize

that GOPers are effing with polling stations as well. In an Dem areas there may not be or the station may be too far for many voters to get there. Its been proven that voters will wait in long lines so the GOPers need to discourage the voters by making it harder in the GOP run states.

One proposed location that I read about was in the south - "whites" only country club.

[leftstreet]

21. Voters already did! See 2006 & 2008 n/t

[treestar]

59. there's 2010 and 2012

that's why this is happening now.

[glinda]

11. "The planet" you mean....

[pffshht]

12. ...

[Rex]

13. I agree with that statement and would add the world as well.

They just ain't happy fuckin up Merica...nono...they are equal opportunity fuckers.

[blkmusclmachine]

14. Unfortunately, we have no organized Opposition Party to take on these lunatics.

All we got is phony "bipartisanship," 24/7.

[CakeGrrl]

25. But some here scoff at voting a straight Dem ticket

Given how fucking insane the GOP is, is that really to be laughed at?

[mick063]

51. I scoff at voting insanity.

Regardless which party it is.

[corkhead]

65. not when some of the less insane repubs that were purged from their wacked out party run as Dems

[BlueJac]

16. The Democrats are helping.....

they need balls, and they seem to have sold them!

[Iliyah]

18. House GOPers are set to vote to

cut 38b from SNAP over the next 10 years. Got to feed them 1%ers!

[heaven05]

20. hell, 'good' americans

voted the fringiest/teahadists/ into office, so what they are doing is what the 'good' americans want for all those poor people and freeloaders and for amerika as a country.

[MyshkinCommaPrince]

22. Breaking things is easy.

Building things and maintaining them is hard. Republicans have it easy, on their evil path of destruction. Evil is lazy.

[woo me with science]

23. The Republican party has been working for corporatists for some time.

The difference now is that there is no longer an opposition party standing in their way.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. I see it as "Scorched Earth" not Murder Suicide

They made a fatal mistake, and some of them know it.

To get W elected, Rove and his gang rejected expanding into the middle to try and get votes and instead dug deeply into the right wing and brought out voters who usually did not vote. Now they are stuck. They can't play back to the middle because they will lose the far right voters who they need.

Combine this horribly short sighted strategy with the demographic shift which is creating an advantage for Democrats and the Republican party is in real trouble.

They see it coming and many have decided to just do as much damage as possible while they can. I suppose they think it will shorten the amount of time that they are out of power if things are really bad for a while. I don't think it will work because the Democratic party is plenty conservative enough for a lot of voters. Once the Republican party is no longer able to compete on a national level the Democrats will split. We will end up with a new liberal party that is actually liberal and a party of conservative Democrats who are at least capable of grasping reality (unlike the current conservative party). The Republicans will hang on in some states for a while, but eventually any young conservative politician who has national aspirations will be forced to join the Democratic party, and that will be the final nail for the (R)s.

At least that is how I see things unfolding. I feel very comfortable making these predictions because 1) none of you know who I am and 2) at my age I may not live long enough to be proved wrong.

Have a nice day.

[babylonsister]

33. OK...

Now even the architects are having second thoughts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/karl-rove-obamacare-defunding_n_3953461.html


Karl Rove: Obamacare Defunding Is An 'Ill-Conceived Tactic'


Sucks to be them!

[DhhD]

34. TX R-Senator John Cornyn is up for reelection and has distanced himself from voting against Obamacar

And the TX TEA extremest Senator Ted Cruz will not support Cornyn, Republican leader of the Senate, for reelection.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/sen-ted-cruz-wont-endorse-sen-john-cornyn-for-reelection.html/

[napkinz]

27. they HAVE BEEN destroying America for three decades now

It begin in 1981.

[Scurrilous]

28. K & R

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. They've been doing it for decades.

[Precisely]

61. ^^^^^^^

[Doctor_J]

32. exactly. don't give them another inch

Should have dug in on day one.

[Uncle Joe]

36. They're betting on the American Peoples' ignorance.

That's been a safe bet in the past but I believe they overplayed their hand.

Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.

[G_j]

37. the mind of an Orc

what lies in the twisted darkness of their minds? What kind of pleasure do they derive from destroying the economy, people, and the planet? It seems to go beyond simple greed. What do you call taking food from children or denying people Medicare? It's like they crawled right out from the bowels of hell to cause pain and destruction. Here in NC, they are quite busy.

[Volaris]

38. Yep. If they are ballzy enough to actually force a shutdown,

or, Heaven help us, STUPID ENOUGH to default on the Debt, the Wrath of the American People will be like nothing seen politically in many of our lifetimes.

(Gandalf the White)--"Until at last, I threw down my Enemy, and smote his Ruin upon the moutain-side."

Welcome to the Legacy of the Tea Party, Republicans. As far as I'm concerned, it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of Fuckheads.

[polichick]

39. But in their delusional views, they're saving America - taking it back...

apparently from things that go bump in the night.

[delrem]

40. Won't be fixed until Dems stop triangulating off this road to insanity.

By triangulating off the R's, the D's make the R's a guiding light -- however fucked up that is. Oh yes, it's fucked up....

The D's ought to have total control of message at this moment, yet time after time I hear arguments which include the refrain "but then the R's will say....", as if what the R's have to say is relevant to anything pertinent, and as if that's an excuse for having failed to provide the D's with a leading voice.

[certainot]

42. they have the bully pulpit because the 'left' gives 1200 coordinated radio stations a free speech

free ride. dems can't message shit until that's fixed and it's a waste of effort to try.

when the left pulls their ipods out of their rears and finally challenges RW radio they can do some messaging- not before.

[delrem]

44. But that shouldn't be too hard.

[NewJeffCT]

73. Have you ever heard the expression

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat."? That's from Will Rogers back in the early to mid 1930s. Still applies today.

Republicans tend to obediently follow authority, which is why they stay so coordinated once they get their talking points from Limbaugh each day.

Democrats tend to go against authority, and therefore are not nearly as good at following along with messaging. And, even if they do go along with authority, they often do so grudgingly.

[certainot]

41. it starts at your local RW radio station - 1200 of them- ignored by the left, coordinated by

the RW think tanks, and many of them piggyback our university sports!

[delrem]

45. I think you should pursue this point.

[certainot]

74. i have, for years. as a matter of fact, sometime this week i'm going to ask the nearby university

how much money the local limbaugh station pays them for the right to put the team logo on the station's ALEC/GOP/koch-funded megaphone.

[Tigress DEM]

43. Can any of these freaks be "recalled" or in old fashioned terms RUN OUT ON A RAIL

Tarred and Feathered?

[trusty elf]

46. If Obama did agree to defund the ACA, wouldn't the repubics then have to be against defunding?

[IMG][/IMG]

[yuiyoshida]

47. I wonder if it could be considered an act of Treason?

seems like it.

[nxylas]

48. We had this discussion on another thread

I think the consensus was: treason, no; sedition, possibly.

[Precisely]

63. It's an act of Treagan

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[stuarttman63]

49. It's time to call them what they really are!

It's now clear what the Republicans have devolved into: a fringe group devoted to bringing down America at all costs. They keep saying that they're shutting down the government to stop so-called Obamacare but the reality is(at least the way I see it) is that they've been determined on this course since Obama was reelected. It's now become clear to them that the demographics and future trends in America are not going their way and that their dream of an unending white and right-wing supremacy is coming to an end. To forestall that, they are doing their level best to de-stabilize a government that they will no longer control, before they become irrelevant.

[baldguy]

50. The GOP is destroying America

And we have a whole bunch of supposed Democrats, progressives & liberals all too happy to help them do it.

[bowens43]

52. I hope people wake up and see what these tea bagger idiots are doing

sadly, when I talk with co-workers here in NC most of them have absolutely no idea what the congress is doing or not doing. They just don't care. They continue to listen to rush and hannity and continue to insist that all of their problems are obama's fault.

[BeyondGeography]

53. Big white babies

Pointless people. Utterly pointless. When will the country finally fuck them solid? C'mon folks, the problem is plain as fucking day.

[bonniebgood]

54. All I hear and I Sick Sick of democrats repeating

that the terrorist repuke party are doing this to appease their base. I call out bullshit. they are appeasing their base alright, called the 1%.
this IS bill orielly twin named Robert Chambiss who bombed the church in birmingham al killling those four girls. This terrorist kkk thugs are no different than fox news, lead by bill orielly/bob chambliss are in place to keep the ignorant lemons in line while they protect and appease the Rich 1%.
These terrorist repubs thugs could care less about their so-called poor uneducated, hopeless, no healthcare, on food-stamps teabag base.
The repukes are not bombing down the country to appease their base.
They are bombing down the country to appease their money interest the koch brothers rich class.

So why won't the fucking dems call out this misleading BS they happily keep repeating.
Please click the link to see the bill oreilly twin.

http://usslave.blogspot.com/2011/05/4-little-girls-1997-there-are-many.html

[HughBeaumont]

56. RepublicanISM is destroying America.

When is America, for example, finally going to renounce Reaganomics as a failure we must END???

[olegramps]

57. I don't know what it will take to actually bring about a direct confrontation.

Just how much longer can we suffer these evil bastards. Just how much longer are we going tolerate the propaganda that spews from their bought and paid for so-called talk radio and TV hosts. It seems to me that far too many Democrats, especially our supposed elected representatives, are little more than chicken-shits, who refuse to actually confront these rabid extremists.

I anxiously await for my representatives to call them exactly what the are: Fascist Racists. The Republicans Party is totally controlled by dangerous demagogues who spew the poisonous lies hourly over the airwaves. Go to any Republican site on the internet and you will find it is dominated by homophobic racists dripping with hatred. To date what I see is that it is a rarity that they are ever challenged.

[merrily]

58. Politicians that can be bought and sold are destroying America.

Unfortunately for the 99%, they abound in all political parties.

[hue]

60. Teh 1% would HATE for Pres. Obama to succeed at something so favorable for the 99%.

[Precisely]

64. They own the president too

[emulatorloo]

66. Yes, that's why the Koch Bros spend millions to destroy Obama

[Scurrilous]

62. Boink.

[colsohlibgal]

67. With Help From DINOS Like Max Baucus

Things may be coming to a head and things may get much worse till maybe they get better.

[scribe_12248]

68. Kill the Republican Party before it kills us

I post the following -- and variations thereof -- on Twitter, a number of times a week. If we don't get this message out and percolating through the voting public by Election Day 2014, the U.S. and the world are in deep shit.

@scribe12248: The @GOP is the deadly enemy of peace, freedom, justice and human rights everywhere. The world won't be safe until its utter destruction.

@scribe12248: There's a word for plotting to destroy your own country for ideology's sake: Treason. Today's @GOP is the party of traitors. #DefundTheGop

@scribe12248: It's become increasingly clear that there's only one way to save America: Defund the Republican Party.
#DefundtheGOP @GOP

You get the idea. . . .

[gopiscrap]

72. Welcome to DU

[BlancheSplanchnik]

70. we've known this since Reagan

Or bewsh, at least.

It's frustrating to see the trainwreck coming decades ahead, when you're surrounded by people who don't understand it even after it's already happened.