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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:04 AM Sep 2013

"Oh! My little sweetums isn't going to get into Harvard* because of you!" Teaching "the entitled."

"Oh! My little sweetums isn't going to get into Harvard* because of you!"

*Insert any college or university here.

I heard this all the time when I had Parent/Teacher conferences because 'little sweetums' had been punished or had not gotten an A+++++++++++++++.

I remember one meeting which was held because I had given 2 students ZEROES for cheating. One was showing the other his answers. It wasn't even close, and they both admitted it. The parents of the 'show-er' didn't think he was cheating. I never heard from the parents of the 'show-ee.'

They refused to believe it was cheating. I refused to debate the semantics of the situation. They could call it 'out of the goodness of his hearting' for all I cared. He got a ZERO. This didn't compute in their universe because ZERO was a temperature or a nickname for a Japanese plane in WWII, but not a grade.

I was told ad nauseum about what cheating was and wasn't. I was also told I would be held responsible for his failure to get into Harvard or Oxford or whatever ultra-elite school that was the flavor of the month. I told them he was in the NINTH grade and that it was the FIRST month of the school year. He had plenty of time to pull the grade up and make an A. He wasn't doomed, and I didn't require ZERO to be written on his forehead in indelible red magic marker like some educational version of Hester Prynne. They wanted to know if she had gotten a ZERO also.(facepalm ran through my mind)

This was the opening of a new play at Hawthorne High School. I didn't realize it at the time, but I was a major character in this offering. I was hounded for weeks about giving the poor, bedraggled little person a retest. His counselor told me that they did that all the time at the middle school he came from. She didn't agree with it, but that's where a lot of it started.

I finally got so fed up with the almost daily conferences with somebody about it that I told the principal it had better stop. I gave her my written resignation and said that I was leaving if I heard one more word about it. I told her that I didn't have another job, but I thought that blowing grass clippings off medians was preferable to this torture. She said to keep teaching and she would take care of it. I thought she should be able to because she was responsible for 99% of it.

I wasn't sure what the parents thought. I wasn't going to send out a form letter to every school about the incident so the child wouldn't be accepted. Nor did I keep a calendar to remind me in 4 years to find out where he was applying so I could haunt the committee that considered possible enrollees.

These types of children were doomed IMHO. The parents refused to let any type of punishment be given because it would spoil the record of their child. I thought it was better to let them suffer the consequences now which were minor rather than bail them out all the time. They wouldn't be able to bail them out of life later on.

When this topic came up as it inevitably did when parents were running interference, I always wanted to tell them to save up because if they weren't using that cash for Harvard later, they might be using it to post a bond somewhere.

(I know people will now jump in to tell me how their child was unfairly treated in some situation. I'm not against a parent coming to the defense of a child when necessary. I'm dealing with kids who are never wrong no matter what.)

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chervilant

(8,267 posts)
1. Cultivating a sense of entitlement
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:55 AM
Sep 2013

in our children is as damaging as convincing two-thirds to three-quarters of them that they have average or below average intellects. We do our entire species a grave disservice by stunting the natural creativity and inquisitiveness of our younglings.

And, we call it "education"!

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
3. As a teacher, I think it is very important that we note that it is not the children who are monsters
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:47 AM
Sep 2013

Individuals in the 0-25 age bracket aren't genetically less moral than previous inhabitants of that age group. They weren't born 'badder' or with some deficiency that makes them more selfish than usual. This is because of their parents, their parent's situations, the society they live in and the environments they grow up in. We all have a responsibility for this, even those of us without children, for having 99%er parents having to work so much they don't have enough time to spend with their families, and letting the entitled parents in the OP get away with feeling entitled in every other area of their life, so why not their children's schools as well?

Having parents like in the OP is a form of child abuse - not teaching children the consequences in their actions is child abuse. It's keeping them wrapped in cotton, making them unable to function fully in society and have fulfilling relationships when they grow up.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
4. I think you handled it well
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:59 AM
Sep 2013

There was little cheating when I was in USAF tech school . In one incident the instructor retested the whole class with a much more difficult test. 3 students had honestly aced the original exam, but no one on the new test. There were several failures requiring repeating the unit. (This was called phasing because you were out of phase with your original class. Phase twice and you were out and sent to cook school or some other low tech field.)

I'm not suggesting this is a good thing, but the cheaters were severely punished by their classmates at the barracks.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
5. There is a reason
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:01 AM
Sep 2013

that a very large numbers of teachers leave the profession before their 5th year of teaching. You have highlighted one.

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
6. Your post should be required reading for all parents
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:05 AM
Sep 2013

I teach at the Community College and you would not believe the shock some students exhibit when it's clear they will now be held accountable for their actions.

They can't pull this stuff at our level -- it might mess with our accreditation. Trust me, it's cheaper to learn this lesson in high school.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
7. For future reference, maybe showing such parents
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:20 AM
Sep 2013

the cheating/honest work requirements in their elite college's handbook and the penalty will get their attention.

This reminds me of the bad habit some parents have of getting their kids toys and games immediately instead of waiting to save money for them, or earning the money for the toy. The kids are deprived of the satisfaction of accomplishment.

I think you did great!

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
8. I took early retirement because of these parents.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:29 AM
Sep 2013

Believe it or not, they are very present in higher ed as well. They call advisors, professors, deans you name it if little Johnny fails a course. It is NEVER the young persons fault, always they system isn't fair or people are picking on him or her. It wore me down to nothing and I finally gave up. My husband is still hanging in there, but it is tough.

I'm sure we will all get assailed by people here who hate education and teachers today but until they have walked in the shoes of an educator in 2013 they need to be quiet. I am also sure there are some folks on here who resemble these helicopter parents. If you see yourself in these descriptions, please calm down and take stock of your behavior.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. You ruined their Harvard training program!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:30 AM
Sep 2013
2012 Harvard cheating scandal

Here they were, just trying to learn to be elite leaders of our universe, and you interfered. How can they succeed at Harvard, or at politics or Wall Street for that matter, after you taught them your little lesson?

Feh.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
10. Parents have to be reminded that
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:13 AM
Sep 2013

if their demon seed tried this shit in college they'd be removed for at least a semester, and the tuition is not refundable.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
11. know a teacher in a catholic school who lost her job because she did not give a high
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:19 AM
Sep 2013

enough grade to the child of a power parent

grade school

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
12. Check this link (re. teenagers trashing retired NFL player's house - upstate NY)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:12 AM
Sep 2013

Take the attitude you're writing about here, stretch as far as it will go, and . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023704828

Kber

(5,043 posts)
13. Huh. My parenting philosophy is akin to benign neglect
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:13 AM
Sep 2013

Or maybe call it safe failure

Or even targeted laziness.

I strongly believe in letting kids make mistakes early and often so they learn consequences happen when the stakes are still small.

You did that kid a real favor teaching him a valuable lesson in 9th grade rather than college where he could have been expelled or as an adult where jail time is the real life consequence for fraud.

Better, however, would have been to learn in middle or elementary school where he might have missed recess.

My son is 17 but he learned that he had better be in real trouble before mom bailed him out. He also is learning that most mistakes can be fixed, but some can't and he'd better learn the difference. For example, when his ride home last Saturday night was too impared to drive, he called home. Natural consequence was I was a bit grumpy the next day, but I took a nap and was my normal charming self by dinner. . Plus he had to help his friend pick up his car from the party house at 6 am so he didn't get much sleep. It was inconvenient enough for him that I Didn't feel the need to say much.

Natural consequence of taking the chance that his friend could have gotten home safely could have been much worse and there's no helecoptering parent in the universe who can fix a fatality. Over the years, he had to screw up enough on the small stuff to learn how to handle a real decision without mom there to guide him when it was actually kind of a big deal.

You see, I don't just try to teach my kids natural life conseqeuenes happen because I'm too lazy to fly in to the rescue. I do it because they need to really learn these things.

I like teachers like you. You make my job easier and understand that we are both sometimes teaching more than algebra. Well done!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
15. You should hear the screams if you arrest one of them
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:56 AM
Sep 2013

I was blamed all the time for ruining little Johnny's future because he got kicked off the football team or marred his record when I arrested him for DUI/sexual assault/assault/whatever.

It was always "not his fault" and he should just "get a second chance" because I was "ruining his future".

Yeah, that little deal where he forced himself on a girl who was passed out drunk? That was his fault and his future needed to be ruined.

Any time some parent told me "he is a good boy/girl just mixed up with the wrong crowd" I remind them that if they run with the wrong crowd, they are the wrong crowd.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
16. This makes me wonder about the kids who ARE accepted to Harvard...
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

...or other elite schools.

I know there are talented and brilliant kids who legitimately gain entrance to these elite colleges and universities.

But seriously, makes you wonder about the percentage who are accepted. How many of them had parents who helicoptered over them throughout their entire high-school career and made sure that their little special ones had straight As all the way? There is nothing worse than an entitled brat, who is only where they are because mummy and daddy stood behind them 24/7, paving the way for them. These kids don't know how to do anything for themselves, and they've learned that their actions have no consequences because someone will always bail them out. These types of kids are incredibly lazy--on the job and also emotionally.

I've also heard that to be accepted into an Ivy-League or other prestigious school--you must have an incredible resume. So, many of these kids (not all, I know) join clubs, activities or run for school president to "pad their resume." What happened to young people running for student council--because they want to be leaders; or because they want to serve their school? We're creating little narcissists who engage in activities because of the payoff.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
17. I know one little sweetum who was allowed to lie, and cheat his entire life with NO consequences.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:07 PM
Sep 2013

That would be George, warmonger, *. And we all know how well upbringing worked.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
18. My wife dealt with the religious version of that attitude in Texas
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

Back in the 1970s, Ginny taught a little high school, and when it came down to biology lessons and evolution, there would be this one fundamentalist student who answered every question on the test wrong, essentially using the "God did it" approach to CYA. Naturally, the student flunked, and that's how Ginny recorded it in her grade book. Only thing is, the student's father - who happened to be one of the local pastors - would then harumph his way into Ginny's classroom during parent-teacher conference and demand to know why my future wife was flunking his little darling because of this trick of the Devil known as "evolution" or something like that.

Essentially, same shit, different day - the pastor's daughter was special. She didn't need to learn anything that contradicted daddy's sermons.

But all of this reminds me of Bill Hicks' infamous lecture on why your children aren't special:

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