12:16pm 9/22/2013, 260-79.

[Warren Stupidity]

I think that tally pretty much sums up where DU stands, as a community.

For reference:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023708764
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023707888

[MineralMan]

1. I'm not sure that counting recommendations on

a couple of threads really sums up where DU stands. It's interesting, but not really a measure of much.

If DU only has about 340 people clicking the DU Rec button, maybe.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. you keep a tight hold on that warm comfort thought.

[MineralMan]

6. Doesn't really matter much. DU is its own thing.

It is what it is, and I'll be around.

[NYC_SKP]

29. Hell, it might just as well indicate how many people are glued to their computer with no other life.

Or how many people LIKE the posting member of one OP more than the other author.

It's beyond funny, that a member of a group that professes tolerance and inclusion would draw so much attention to a difference in POV between factions on a discussion board.

To me, I love members of both of those groups.

But I only recommended one of the threads.

[MineralMan]

30. I recommended neither of them.

I'm just not into internal battles within the Democratic party. I just want every one to work to GOTV in 2014! For me, the alternative is unthinkable, whatever our differences may be in some areas.

[Egalitarian Thug]

3. Can you imagine how irritating this is for them?

Day after day, month after month, year after year, knowing that most people recognize that you are wrong every time? Realizing, deep down inside where it's safe, that your beliefs have made this awful mess and it is getting worse?

You just have to feel sorry for them, sort of.

[MineralMan]

8. It's not. DU isn't representative of anything but DU.

It's a good place to post ideas and discuss them. Beyond that, it's just another Internet discussion forum. There are many of those.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Oddly, up thread you claimed it wasn't representative.

[MineralMan]

12. Lots of odd stuff, it seems to me.

[treestar]

4. So you've taken over

Congratulations. Site is no longer for Democratic party supporters.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Oh for fucks sake, no, the vast majority sentiment here is left of center.

[Autumn]

17. Some people consider DU a sad little cyber cess pool

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3967

Go figure that one out . Democratic Underground, the best web site for Democrats on the web and wannabe sites call it names.

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=23551

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Why point to a site that has a total of 8 threads that got posts today? And a 2 1/2 yo thread?

Let them wither away.

[Autumn]

43. Just trying to point out that there are other sites for those who don't seem to like DU

[Rex]

55. I think they like DU, but hate most of the posters.

It seems kinda obvious. Liberals like to have conversations and conservatives like to complain about people on a forum. Seems to be a pattern.

[MADem]

39. Your first link is to a thread from another site that is OVER TWO YEARS OLD.

Your second link is to a thread from that same site where a few people express their opinions about this site in a dozen or so posts over several days--it's not like it's a "thread on fire" or anything of that nature.

That's just the opinions of a few people. Why does it trouble you so much that you need to seek it out and link to it?

I didn't even know about that site until you linked to it....

[Vanje]

45. The second link is more interesting.

[Vanje]

44. Wow. That is a Whine-O-rama!

Thanks for the links. They're like a Field Guide to conservative Disruptors.

[Autumn]

68. It's an interesting little place.

[Hissyspit]

20. No, he's reacting to an apparent troll post at the worst, devisive flame-bait at the best.

With values pretty much consistent from the beginnings of this website.

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. Bwahahha! Yes, those of us capable of having a reasoned discussion without insulting DUers

have taken over. You see, the less popular thread is the divisive, insulting thread. It calls DUers names. The more popular one is a reaction to it. It's sad to see your determination to portray DUers as having to agree with you that insulting DUers is a necessary part of being a Democratic party supporter.

Why do you hate so many DUers?

[JoePhilly]

5. Weclome to MetaUnderground.

Where meta OPs are written about prior meta OPs ... so that some one can derive a rather meaningless statistic, and then post it, and describe its importance, in yet another meta OP.

What is clear is that DU is becoming more and more like an episode of Seinfeld.

Its really not about anything.

But it is fun to watch.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Another person disappointed by reality.

[treestar]

11. The reality is real world liberals

are supportive of Obama and Democrats.

Even if DU mostly dislikes Obama and the Democrats because they are not liberal enough for them, it doesn't matter much in the real world. But maybe you can rename it Progressive Underground. Take a vote. Then you can ban cites to People's View, even.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Again your endless framing of political issues as a team sport.

We don't hate Obama. Most, if not all of us, worked for and donated to both of his campaigns. What we do here consistently is oppose this administration when it is proposing neocon wars, neoliberal economics, security state authoritarianism, and capitulation to right. We oppose this administration when it is on the wrong side of issues we care about.

[treestar]

14. Consistently oppose is right

And tie the most extreme possible labels, there were no neocon wars, security state authoritarianism, just because you label that way as negative as possible does not make it true. It just always happens to be on the "wrong side of issues you care about."

[Warren Stupidity]

15. I give up, you win. Team BOG lives in its own world.

[MineralMan]

23. Team BOG?

Really? So, what do you make of me, then? What "Team" do you think I'm on?

Very weak response you just made...

[treestar]

38. I cannot believe the hide of my latest post!

you really have won!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3713555

They can make a meta post whining about a hide and I can't call it out!!!!

[Vanje]

52. Did you call someone a rude name

again?

[hfojvt]

56. I do hate Obama

and I do not believe I am the only one. Certainly I am not the furthest to the left on this board.

Plus, there are consistently posted not so much attacks on policies as attacks on Obama.

I was complaining about that way back when I was an Obama defender.

But when Obama first pretends to be on my side, but later consistently proposes neoliberal economics and is often dishonest about it, well it is kinda hard for me not to hate him. Not just oppose his policies, but to hate the person working so diligently on the wrong side.

[Warren Stupidity]

60. I listened to what Obama (and Clinton and Edwards and...) were saying

when they ran for the office in 2008. Obama, like all the other kleptocracy anointed front runners, clearly described himself a a center-right Democrat. I did not project my fantasies of a progressive america, an america that could have been and could still be, on to Obama. I voted and worked and donated to his campaign knowing what I was getting.

That doesn't mean I should support policies that I think are completely bone-headed or worse.

[hfojvt]

67. I am pretty sure Obama said things like this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2618869

Which sounded fairly progressive.

What can I say, I let myself hope that we would get something better than Reaganomics from a Democrat.

[Vanje]

50. "Real world liberals" do not describe themselves as "Conservative" in their user name.

I thank the Conservative poster for his thread. He did exactly what he wanted. He made a lot of people I've suspected of being conservative, actually out themselves as conservative.

You can take off the liberal paint job now. No need to pretend. Apparently being an avowed conservative is A-Okay at present DU.

[JoePhilly]

31. DU isn't close to reality.

[Warren Stupidity]

65. DU is a part of reality.

The reality that DU is part of includes the observable fact that the DU community is overwhelmingly left of center, much to the annoyance of our small right of center faction.

[MADem]

40. I will agree with the Seinfeld ..... but I think it's not fun to watch.

I wish we were back to the days where we were focused on getting more Dems and fewer Republicans elected to public office.

That seems like such a quaint notion.

[HappyMe]

16. Meh.

Chair throwing, poo flinging threads that reside in my trashcan.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. What a stupid OP

[Hissyspit]

25. You rec'ed the post that started this all?

A devisive flame-bait post rife with fallacies, projection and mirroring, possibly written by a RedState.com troll, that called DUers wingnuts? And then you're complaining about this one?

[BumRushDaShow]

34. DU has become a 1st rate flame site

with fanatical litmus tests and ad hominems when one doesn't pass the secret test. So why are you complaining?

[Logical]

35. Ahhhhhh, no whining about the DU, remember? n-t

[MADem]

64. You do know that "rule"--prohibition, really, there are no rules-- only applies to OPs?

Within a thread, you can whine all you'd like. You may take a chance with a jury if someone alerts and tries to BS jurors about what's "allowed" but that "no whining" is part of the SOP for hosts, and hosts can ONLY lock OPs, not posts within threads.

[Hissyspit]

36. You are right.

I don't have to complain when people rec RedState.com fanatical ad hominem litmus test troll posts.

You didn't have to complain about this OP either. Why did you?

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Because it is contentless. nt

[99Forever]

42. I see content.

Perhaps you should work of that comprehension thing.

[Rex]

48. It is really quite simple, liberals see content

conservatives see a shitload of people on a forum to complain about. I cannot believe more people don't notice that.

[Logical]

32. What a stupider reply by you. I assume because you are losing! LOL! n-t

[sufrommich]

21. 12:16pm 9/22/2013

The exact time and date that Warren Stupidity realized he may have become too immersed in the minutia of an internet forum.

[Warren Stupidity]

51. well there is that.

[rug]

22. 44-0 and one self-delete.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023709970

[hootinholler]

24. Post to avoid jury duty in this thread

[Rex]

47. ...

[MADem]

26. It's not a contest. One divisive thread got more recs than another divisive thread.

Who "wins?"

[Hissyspit]

27. When you rec the original clearly lousily argued, devisive, fallacious apparent troll post...

The troll wins.

[MADem]

28. Well, it's hard to say who's the "original" in that equation.

And I'll wager that there are more than a few trolls who thrill to dividing people on both those posts. But this isn't a "new" argument--there's been nothing but this back-and-forth crapola here for some time now. I guess it gives some folks a thrill; it doesn't do that for me.

I don't really think anyone wins. I think people who lean towards one view or the other will push that rec button, or they may do it out of a sense of "equal time" fairness, but I don't think there are any winners here.

It's all crap. It doesn't give us a "D" House, it doesn't preserve a "D" Senate. And that's what we NEED, not this waah-waah-waah silliness. Of course, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

I'm a Democrat who supports Democrats for elective office. I like the POTUS. To some here, that makes me the enemy. I can get upset or I can just do the sensible thing and say to hell with them...! They don't move the needle in the big picture, anyway, and they're unlikely to so do, as long as they keep carping on the internet like it matters...

[Vanje]

54. "And I'll wager that there are more than a few trolls who thrill ......."

"And I'll wager that there are more than a few trolls who thrill to dividing people on both those posts. But this isn't a "new" argument--there's been nothing but this back-and-forth crapola here for some time now. I guess it gives some folks a thrill; it doesn't do that for me. "

Nevertheless, you backed the one penned by an avowed conservative.

Yes. You did.

[MADem]

57. I am not a screaming liberal and this is no secret.

I am a "social programs liberal" who champions stuff like choice, equality, social security, safety net programs for the abused and disadvantaged, health care for all... and I am also a fiscal moderate. I think we should pay our damn bills and not run massive deficits.

I LIKE the Armed Forces and I don't think serving in the military is a bad thing.

I don't think that USA is a horrible place full of horrible people, I don't think America is evil, or bad, or wrong, or that our best days are behind us, and that puts me out of step with a number of people here.

And I am sick to death of people who try to force me into a "politically correct" box or try to shame me--or any other DUer--for having an opinion that the likes of YOU might not happen to agree with. Who are you to lecture others? All you seem to be doing is posting incessantly on this particular topic, in an effort to whip up a crew and foment dissent to no good end.

Pretty sad, IMO.

[Vanje]

58. Earlier in this thread you seemed to be placing yourself loftily above the fray.

..with some "both threads were divisive" song and dance.

I just wanted to point out that your own dog was hunting here too, Princess .

[MADem]

59. I think what you've been doing on this board does not reflect well on you or the board.

I can't control your behavior and I don't especially care to, but I don't think you cover yourself in glory.


Not sure what your childish and snarky "Princess" remark is all about, but that doesn't make you look too good, either.


I'll leave it at that.

[FSogol]

63. Well said and same here. n/t

[Logical]

33. It does matter! Great post! n-t

[Scuba]

41. Great post, thanks Warren.

[Rex]

46. Conservatives are a small minority on this site

but boy do they make a lot of noise! Kinda like their counterparts.

[quinnox]

49. The conservadems and BOG types hate this fact, but its true. DU is overwhelmingly progressive

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and despite the best efforts of the conservadems and the loyalty oath lock-steppers, DU remains a progressive oasis.

[FSogol]

61. You Better Believe It!

[hfojvt]

53. now 334-94

I might note that there are still at least some people, who knows how many, that DID NOT VOTE.

Given the option, I would probably unrec both of them, but that's just me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. The Left/Right struggle continues on DU and in the party and nation.

A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine