Here's One Poll Number Should Have Republicans Scared About Fight Over Shutting Down Government

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http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-obamacare-defunding-shutdown-fight-2013-9



The US government could shut down at the end of September if the GOP refuses to pass a budget that doesn't stipulate defunding Obamacare.
Many Republicans are freaking out about what this would mean for the party.

And for good reason.

In Ben White's Morning Money, he passes along this nugget.

CNBC’s Steve Liesman emails with fascinating new poll results (full survey data out Thursday): “A solid majority of Americans oppose defunding the new health care law if it means shutting down the government and defaulting on debt. The CNBC All-America Economic Survey of 800 people across the country conducted by Hart-McInturff, finds that Americans oppose defunding Obamacare by a 44% to 38% plurality. But support for defunding drops off sharply when the issue of shutting down the government and defaulting is included. In that case, Americans oppose defunding 59% to 19% with 18% unsure. …



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[liberal N proud]

1. But if you listen to them, they will tell you otherwise

The must only look at polls taken of FOX viewers to come up with those conclusions, but every time I heard a republicant speak yesterday, it was that the people don't want Obama care and the it was OK to shut down the government over it.

[nxylas]

3. It's a massive overstatement of the facts

It is true that there are more people opposed to Obamacare than supporting it. The latest RCP average as I write is 38.7% in favor, 52.2% against. But this doesn't factor in the steep drop in approval mentioned in the OP where shutting down the government is involved. Also, 52.2% opposed is far from the huge majority of the country that the Teahadists claim to represent. And I would expect the approval rate to rise once the law actually kicks in and people start feeling the benefits. Even the Teapublicans have admitted as much. How many times have you heard them say "If this law is implemented, it will be popular, and then we'll never be able to get rid of it", or words to that effect?

[ewagner]

5. True: "Obamacare" is opposed by a majority...BUT

When you ask about the individual provisions of "Obamacare" without attaching the President's name to it, there is an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY IN FAVOR OF IT..

It's the Obama derangement syndrome at work here...

[Tigress DEM]

9. A majority of rethugs. THE majority of people out there WANT healthcare for everyone.

The problem is that Obamacare is a partial solution with all these strings attached (by rethugs) to make it cumbersome.

It isn't SINGLE PAYER which would have made the most sense as a permanent solution, but a stop gap so that the insurance companies don't fold and take those jobs with them.

Yeah, and the party of NO is definitely pushing the Obama derangement syndrome, like it was cheap beer at a football game.

[ewagner]

13. True...

Single payer would have been quick and simple but Obama believed (and probably still does) that we're in a "post-partisan", post-racial society..

he's wrong on both counts.

[Tigress DEM]

26. I think he was hopeful, but I'm sure this experience has wised him up some.

He probably got all kinds of assurances before hand and then they knew they had him. All they had to do was obstruct progress for 4 years, um 8 years.

I think he did some reverse psychology on them with Syria. Gave them the lose-lose end of the stick.

[nxylas]

17. Oh, I totally agree

But if the ACA is repealed, it sure as hell won't be replaced by single-payer. Whereas if it is implemented and revealed to be inadequate, it could. Possibly. Lesser-evilism may suck, but it's all we've got at the moment.

[Tigress DEM]

27. Yeah, this is good, but flawed. Fix the flaws. Viola! Single payer. I'll be darned. nft

[truebluegreen]

7. 13 of the 52% opposing Obamacare

don't like it because it isn't liberal enough. Other polls--phrased differently--show 57-59% prefer it to the current alternative (i.e. nothing).

[JustAnotherGen]

12. +1

I fully support the full implementation of Obamacare - but to me it's only a good start. Single Payer / Medicare for All - I don't care. I don't like the ACA because it wasn't PRECISELY what I wanted but it's a good start. So let the government shut down . . . because this needs to be a hill anyone who wants to improve on this landmark legislation should be ready to die on. Besides - the right will blink five minutes after if shuts down and the TEAhadists understand that they fit the same criteria as THEIR definition of 'takers'.

[nxylas]

18. I think you give them too much credit

Their definition of "takers" = black people/welfare recipients/Democrats (interchangeable terms in their eyes).

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Time to shatter

Their perceptions. At the end of the day their hero St. Ronnie told them a big old fat lie in 1976 - and they cling to that lie as well as their god and their guns. They need a little pain to realize that they are no better than anyone else. They can sit up there and think they are a bunch of billionaires - but they aren't.

[nxylas]

21. That's not how delusions work in the post-truth society

This idea that economic pain will somehow cause the baggers to "wake up" ignores the evidence almost as much as birtherism and climate change denial do. The Tea Party is essentially a cult, and like all cults, puts a lot of energy into creating an alternate reality, where economic hardship is the fault of women and minorities not knowing their place/liberals taking their hard-earned money and either giving it to the undeserving or wasting it on boondoggles to their cronies (something Republicans never do, of course). Why do you think the Kochsuckers are so invested in taking over the media and the edjumacation system?

[JustAnotherGen]

23. ahhh see we differ

To me the TEA Party is nothing new. They were first the KKK, then the John Birch Society, and now they are the TEA Party. They have always relied on poor, white, uneducated people believing that they could obtain aristocratic stature.

In the present day - they truly believe they have more in common with Chuckie and Davie than they do say - middle class black and hispanic folks.

But they are the same as they ever were. I understand your perspective - but to me . . .

These are the same people that had their boots on the neck of my ancestors. They aren't new.

And their present incarnation started in 1976 . . . ETA: And they are not separate from the Republican Party. They are a part of it.

[nxylas]

24. They were there, but on the fringes

Maybe they enjoyed this much power during the Reconstruction period, but for most of the 20th century, they were little more than a footnote. They didn't control an entire political party, nor have a vast network of media outlets and thinktanks dedicated to creating an intellectual bubble that facts could not penetrate, because anything outside the bubble is seen as part of the liberal conspiracy.

[ThomThom]

22. people oppose ACA because they do not know what is in it

the only information going out is all distortions and lies
someone needs to put out the true facts... Mr President

[toddwv]

15. They're "unskewing" the polls again.

I think it a form of "blunting."

They have such narrow ideologically constricted tunnel-vision that they actually thing the majority of the people agree with them This is what happens when your only information source is basically your own tripe regurgitated back to you.

[tclambert]

2. The 19% include Charles and David Koch, so . . . case closed!

'Cause their votes count more than anybody else's.

[dotymed]

4. Ted Cruz is insane.

A majority of the GOP are right with him. If you watch and listen to these people, you can see that they are intellectually
challenged, installed by the elite. They would not win a fair dog catcher election.
Sadly the dlc has stolen the party of FDR and corrupted most democrats also. Luckily they are better educated but money is what most politicians are about.
K street is an abomination upon Democracy and needs to be shut down for treason.

America is a Progressive country, yet we have few Progressives in office.
The ACA should have been much better, Universal health care, proven the best in all 1st world nations. Still we cannot throw out what small accomplishments were made.
Over 40 attempts, by the House to trash the ACA have failed. This hail Mary is threatening to further destroy America's image and credit worthiness. That will harm us, maybe fatally. It will cost us much more $ than the ACA.
Why don't we prosecute real traitors anymore?
Whistle-blowers are not traitors. If actual free-media were still allowed, this would be apparent.
The sick anti-ACA commercial should show Americans how ignorant these people are.
We currently have insurance (for profit)in our Dr.'s office.
Money and insanity....Idiocracy for America.

[The Wizard]

6. The great dumbing down

will lead to our default/demise, and nothing would make the Republican anarchist, terrorist, extremist, radically lunatic party happier. When we do go belly up and get predatory on one another the vulture capitalists will be circling over the dead carcass ready to swoop down and pick at our bones.
The Koch terrorists are licking their chops.
Is Ted Cruz always drunk?

[PDittie]

8. "The polls are skewed"

"I asked everybody in my office, and in my church, and they all hate Obama."

[Tigress DEM]

10. Did you forget the sarcasm icon or are you really surrounded by all that?

[PDittie]

25. Both

[PeteSelman]

11. I don't think they care at all.

Polls shmolls. They've gerrymandered themselves into an indefinite house majority and are poised to take over the Senate next year in spite of all their intransigence and obstruction. They've changed the rules all over the country to ensure they can continue their wave of destruction. They'll steal a bunch of elections, claim the People agree with them even though they don't and no one will do anything about it.

[Iliyah]

14. Cruz and Paul still plan to shut down the government

[BlueMTexpat]

16. It's always the "unsure" that get to me.

18% "unsure" what they oppose ...

[AnotherMcIntosh]

19. As long as some equate health INSURANCE reform with health reform, the poll numbers will remain high

At the very least, our country should have universal mental health care.

[Indyfan53]

28. The question is, will they show up to vote in 2014?

We need to get as motivated as we were in 2006!

[lonestarnot]

29. So if they manage to shut down government, what do you think will be used to quell "social unrest?"

[blkmusclmachine]

30. Don't worry, GOPee. The DC DEMS will bail you out

again.