Pew poll: Democrats, Independents and non-TP republicans favor compromise to pass a budget.

[pampango]

Tea party types overwhelmingly oppose compromise.



As in past congressional showdowns over fiscal issues, most Americans (57%) want the lawmakers they agree with on this issue to be more willing to compromise, even if it means passing a budget they disagree with. Just a third (33%) wants lawmakers to stand by their principles, even if the federal government shuts down.

Yet the dominant view among Tea Party Republicans is that lawmakers should stick to their principles, even if that results in a government shutdown.

Fully 71% of Republicans and Republican leaners who agree with the Tea Party say they want lawmakers who share their views to stand on principle, even if that leads to a government shutdown; just 20% want them to compromise, even if that results in a budget they disagree with.

However, there is a substantial divide in the Republican base over how far to go to achieve the goal of defunding the 2010 health care law. By 54% to 38%, non-Tea Party Republicans would like to see a compromise on the budget, even it is one they do not particularly agree with. Most Tea Party Republicans (71%) want lawmakers who share their views to stand by their principles, even it that leads to a government shutdown.

http://www.people-press.org/2013/09/23/blame-for-both-sides-as-possible-government-shutdown-approaches/

[Cali_Democrat]

1. So basically the teabaggers are trying to hold the entire country hostage.

[pampango]

3. That's pretty good one-sentence summary of the poll's results.

[Demoiselle]

2. Tee Hee.

I just very briefly misunderstood the phrase "TP Republicans" to mean "Toilet Paper Republicans."
Hey, it works.

[PoliticAverse]

4. What do they want Democrats to compromise on? n/t

[pampango]

6. Who knows, but it's a question that tea party types are not asking their politicians. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Because a government shutdown is quite attractive to them

They figure that military spending will be the last thing to be stopped, and they actively want spending on social security, Medicaid, Medicare etc. to stop. These are the people who want the government out of everything expect armed threatening of foreigners.

[Aerows]

12. Because Obama would compromise

on kicking puppies on the White House lawn and there are plenty of folks right here that would declare that it was the "pragmatic" solution if it meant that someone in a country they don't live in doesn't get health care, and Obama's image was burnished as a negotiator. They love him that much, and hate us that much.

Only conclusion I can come to.

[JEFF9K]

5. If you compromise with HORRIBLE you get BAD.

[Mass]

7. It worries me that the Democrats are the one who want most a compromise.

This will probably lead to a very bad compromise if we do not hold Democrats's feet to the fire.

[pampango]

9. For better or worse, it is Democratic voters who favor compromise

not the politicians, at least not in this poll.

It is odd that a tea party politician knows his supporters do not want him or her to compromise.

A Democratic one, based on this poll, would not be so sure of that.

[kenny blankenship]

10. I favor the Pres. telling the Repukes that refusing to pay for things Congress has already bought

is unConstitutional, and staggeringly childish for people who call themselves grown ups and leaders. I favor him telling the people, beginning with a bunch of folding chairs and morons in his own party, this news at the same time. There are a number of mechanisms at his disposal. He should pick one and ram it up the Republican's ass.

Cutting Social Security, by any sort of chained CPI chicanery or other legerdemain no matter how clever, in order to buy Republican acquiescence to Obamacare will be unacceptable.

If it's true that Democratic voters really think the President and his party need to compromise more with the Republicans, then they are idiots - either having been born that way, or else reduced to idiocy by television. They evidently still require more spankings from the Reaganite Austerity machine at work in both parties to bring them to a moment of clarity, and if they continue telling pollsters this kind of stupid shit, they will get their spanking and they'll deserve it.

[Frankie the Bird]

11. This socialist no longer accepts compromises. The only compromise is Republicans taking down

their MIC by 3/4ths of their annual budget. Divert it all to other needed domestic resources.

And then shut down the oil & gas companies and use their assets to invest in alternate energy.

Using the same MIC money, give every single American who is on SS benefits gain a 300% COLA increase, and slap the taxes on the 1% at 95%.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. I'm with you. I tend to lean more toward the socialist side myself.

I'd like to see single payer health care, free education for all, and a living wage. I will accept nothing less.

[DavidDvorkin]

14. Not this Democrat

I don't want to see any compromise.

[Samantha]

15. PEW would say that (n/t)

[pampango]

16. What about Pew makes you say that?

Does it have a reputation for partisan bias that I am not aware of? I have seen many polls in the last few years showing that tea party types are less open to compromise (to put it lightly) than any other partisan grouping.

[Samantha]

18. Take a look at its background

The Pew Research Center is a subsidiary of the Pew Charitable Trusts.

"Although today the Pew Charitable Trusts is non-partisan and non-ideological, Joseph Pew and his heirs were themselves politically conservative. The mission of the J. Howard Pew Freedom Trust, one of the seven funds, was to "acquaint the American people with the evils of bureaucracy and the values of a free market and to inform our people of the struggle, persecution, hardship, sacrifice and death by which freedom of the individual was won". Joseph N. Pew, Jr. called Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal "a gigantic scheme to raze U.S. businesses to a dead level and debase the citizenry into a mass of ballot-casting serfs."

Early priorities of the Pew Memorial Trust included cancer research, the American Red Cross, and a pioneering project to assist historically black colleges. Later beneficiaries included conservative organizations such as the John Birch Society, the American Liberty League, and the American Enterprise Institute, as well as environmental organizations such as the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Oceana, and mainstream think tanks like the Brookings Institution The Trusts continues to fund charities in Philadelphia." (bolded emphasis added.)

More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pew_Charitable_Trusts

When I see a Pew Poll, I automatically subtract 3 to 5 points off the right. That is about what I believe they slant it.

Sam

[pampango]

19. It seems to me that it's current efforts are quite liberal.

The Trusts' public policy areas include the environment, state policy, economic policy and health and human services.

Efforts are focused on reducing the scope and severity of three major global environmental problems:

Destruction of the world's oceans, with a particular emphasis on marine fisheries.
The loss of large wilderness ecosystems that contain a great part of the world's remaining biodiversity.
Changes to the Earth's physical and biological systems linked to the buildup of greenhouse gases that are altering the world's climate.

The Trusts have worked closely with the Vera Institute of Justice on issues related to state correction policies in the public safety performance project. ... Pew reported in 2009 that "explosive growth in the number of people on probation or parole has propelled the population of the American corrections system to more than 7.3 million, or 1 in every 31 U.S. adults." "One in 31: The Long Reach of American Corrections" examined the scale and cost of prison, jail, probation and parole in each of the 50 states, and provides a blueprint for states to cut both crime and spending by reallocating prison expenses to fund stronger supervision of the large number of offenders in the community.

"Based on data, science, and non-partisan research, the Pew works to reduce hidden risks to the health, safety, and well-being of American consumers." One program, the Pew Scholars Program in the Biomedical Sciences, is intended to support promising early and mid-career scientists investigating human health, both basic and clinical. The awards provide flexible support ($240,000 over a four-year period). Grantees are encouraged to be entrepreneurial and innovative in their research.[18]

[Samantha]

20. If you have confidence in PEW, you should stick with it

But I have watched their polling patterns for some time now, and it is my impression that it skews its results 3 to 5 points to the Republicans' favor. During the 2012 election, I became so annoyed by PEW and a few others that I just checked out Nate Silver's predictions. He had Obama leading in all the swing states which were as you probably know the key to the big win. I started posting his predictions here and soon everyone was following his daily updates religiously. About 3 days before the election, PEW finally started narrowing its margin and gave Obama a 3 point lead.

The final spread in the official results was predicted to come in at 5 points over Romney's numbers when all the voting was finally finished.

Additionally, I heard two commentators say during the 2012 election coverage they always subtract 5 points from PEW's numbers because it skews its polls to the right. When I heard professionals say it, I knew this was not my imagination at work....

Sam

[B Calm]

17. I thought Obama Care saves us money. So how can they defund it?