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marmar

(77,077 posts)
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:34 PM Sep 2013

What We Could Do With a Postal Savings Bank: Infrastructure That Doesn't Cost Taxpayers a Dime


What We Could Do With a Postal Savings Bank: Infrastructure That Doesn't Cost Taxpayers a Dime

Tuesday, 24 September 2013 10:47
By Ellen Brown, The Web of Debt Blog | News Analysis


The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is the nation’s second largest civilian employer after Walmart. Although successfully self-funded throughout its long history, it is currently struggling to stay afloat. This is not, as sometimes asserted, because it has been made obsolete by the Internet. In fact the post office has gotten more business from Internet orders than it has lost to electronic email. What has pushed the USPS into insolvency is an oppressive 2006 congressional mandate that it prefund healthcare for its workers 75 years into the future. No other entity, public or private, has the burden of funding multiple generations of employees who have not yet even been born.

The Carper-Coburn bill (S. 1486) is the subject of congressional hearings this week. It threatens to make the situation worse, by eliminating Saturday mail service and door-to-door delivery and laying off more than 100,000 workers over several years.

The Postal Service Modernization Bills brought by Peter DeFazio and Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, would allow the post office to recapitalize itself by diversifying its range of services to meet unmet public needs.

Needs that the post office might diversify into include (1) funding the rebuilding of our crumbling national infrastructure; (2) servicing the massive market of the “unbanked” and “underbanked” who lack access to basic banking services; and (3) providing a safe place to save our money, in the face of Wall Street’s new “bail in” policies for confiscating depositor funds. All these needs could be met at a stroke by some simple legislation authorizing the post office to revive the banking services it efficiently performed in the past. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19017-what-we-could-do-with-a-postal-savings-bank-infrastructure-that-doesnt-cost-taxpayers-a-dime



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What We Could Do With a Postal Savings Bank: Infrastructure That Doesn't Cost Taxpayers a Dime (Original Post) marmar Sep 2013 OP
I think a National Post Office Bank is an excellent idea. hunter Sep 2013 #1
A really good idea FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #3
I've been saying this for years. It is a good, liberal idea that we had for decades until Congress Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #2
Would you happen to have some more info on that $1.5B annual subsidy BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #17
It was posted here (IIRC is was a Kos re-post) in a table that broke down the USPS annual Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #18
Oh OK thanks. The USPS not ALLOWED to own planes BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #19
Here it is. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #20
japan post bank madrchsod Sep 2013 #4
Truly great idea! avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #5
Here in the Czech Republic, Berlin Expat Sep 2013 #6
Keynes proposed something similar to this to fund Britain's endeavours in WW2 TrogL Sep 2013 #7
My how all the parasites currently screwing the poor will howl! mysuzuki2 Sep 2013 #8
Banking and internet are naturals for the USPS. Scuba Sep 2013 #9
A national *free* wireless internet infrastructure would be awesome. hunter Sep 2013 #11
love, love, love it! Thanks, marmar. K&R. nt antigop Sep 2013 #10
This has been a good idea in the making for years Hydra Sep 2013 #12
K&R! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #13
The big banks won't like this. tclambert Sep 2013 #14
Make it so. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #15
hell, the too big to jail banks onethatcares Sep 2013 #16
We have one here Prophet 451 Sep 2013 #21
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #22

hunter

(38,311 posts)
1. I think a National Post Office Bank is an excellent idea.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:15 PM
Sep 2013

People living below the poverty level are crushed by banking fees, if they are able to access banking services at all.

Everyone ought to have the dignity of an ATM card and direct deposit services that don't charge exorbitant fees.

It could even be integrated with food stamp, WIC, and other assistance programs. People could buy groceries, swipe their card, and qualifying items would automatically be charged to the correct accounts, invisible to others in the checkout line.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
3. A really good idea
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:23 PM
Sep 2013

All those people buying money orders and prepaid debit cards could have a reliable local source

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
2. I've been saying this for years. It is a good, liberal idea that we had for decades until Congress
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:21 PM
Sep 2013

decided to steal from the USPS and give the $$ to their "campaign contributors". If not for the $1.5B annual subsidy that the USPS is required by law to provide, FedEx would go bankrupt.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
17. Would you happen to have some more info on that $1.5B annual subsidy
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:36 PM
Sep 2013

USPS -> FedEx? Didn't know about that, at all.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
18. It was posted here (IIRC is was a Kos re-post) in a table that broke down the USPS annual
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:57 PM
Sep 2013

expenditures that listed FedEx as the largest single expenditure after salaries. I'll try to find it later, but because of legislation from the '70s that excludes USPS from owning their own aircraft, they pay FedEx ~$1.6B per year to fly our mail. Not coincidentally at all, this is the amount of profit FedEx generates annually.

After Congress turned the USPS into the quasi-governmental organization it is today (1970?), in atypical bipartisan fashion they spent the next several decades blocking every move it made to be more efficient and to generate income.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
19. Oh OK thanks. The USPS not ALLOWED to own planes
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:03 PM
Sep 2013

sounds pretty protective. Just not of the public interest.

But at least the taxpayer is getting something for that money - airlifted mail. At what price, is another matter maybe.

Thank you!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. Here it is.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:35 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022389831

If you look into the history of the USPS over the last 50 years it becomes quite clear why they work so hard to kill it. Even after half a century of bipartisan efforts to wreck it, the USPS is still the envy of the world. Nobody else does it as well, not even close.

My former profession involved the analysis and development of very large systems and the USPS is a prime example of how wonderfully they can work. I can't explain it to most people because the nature of these systems is so technical and, frankly boring, but take my word for it, the USPS is an astonishingly beautiful and efficient system.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
6. Here in the Czech Republic,
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:28 PM
Sep 2013

there's the Poštovní Spořitelna, or Postal Savings Bank. Quite convenient, in point of fact, as even the smallest villages have a post office.

I know they have it also in Germany as well.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
8. My how all the parasites currently screwing the poor will howl!
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:48 PM
Sep 2013

All the currency exchanges, check cashing scams, er stores, will have a fit. In other words, this sounds like a great idea.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
11. A national *free* wireless internet infrastructure would be awesome.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:14 PM
Sep 2013

Better the the interstate highway system.

We could put wireless internet access points on every streetlight, and on every road mile marker, covering 99% of the inhabited U.S.A..

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
12. This has been a good idea in the making for years
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:34 PM
Sep 2013

But all of the big banks pulled the whole crash in order to be bigger and less regulated than ever. They're standing in the way of things like this because then they won't be needed.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
14. The big banks won't like this.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:00 PM
Sep 2013

Competition. From a non-profit, yet. The Post Office might not invent all sorts of things to charge exorbitant fees for. The banks won't stand for it. They want ALL the money.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
16. hell, the too big to jail banks
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:05 PM
Sep 2013

are already trying to do away with credit unions, what would make one think they would allow this to happen.

I think it's a great idea though.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
21. We have one here
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:51 AM
Sep 2013

"Here" being the UK. I don't have an account with them but they seem to work pretty well.

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