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http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/27/bill-clinton-shatters-republican-attempts-blame-obama-government-shutdown.htmlBill Clinton Shatters the Republican Attempts to Blame Obama For a Government Shutdown
By: Jason Easley
Sep. 27th, 2013
Former President Bill Clinton is pushing back, and pushing back hard against the Republican attempts to blame President Obama an the Democrats for a government shutdown.
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Transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But doesnt it all come undone if there is a default? I mean all this saying youre not going to negotiate, youre betting on the other side caving.
CLINTON: Thats right. This is the House Republicans and the tea party people saying we dont want to negotiate with the Democrats. We want to dictate over the Senate, over the House Democrats, over the Speaker of the House of our own party, and over the president. We insist on dictating the course of the country.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So youre saying that you just have to stand up to that, no matter what the consequences?
CLINTON: I think you do, because they havent asked for negotiations.
Former President Clinton made two points that the media is overlooking. The Republicans arent negotiating. They issued a series of public demands. Public ultimatums and demands are not the characteristics of a serious negotiation. The second point is critical. While Republicans have been complaining in the media that the president wont negotiate with them, they havent asked for any negotiations. In fact, they arent speaking to the White House at all.
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This is why all Democrats must stand united, and say no. Appeasement will only embolden. The House Republicans will only back down when they are defeated. Toughness and resolve always triumphs over extremism. Obama is doing the right thing, and Democrats need to show their support.
northoftheborder
(7,566 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)We can't continue to demonize and hate on this president. We must have his back and stand firm. All Democrats must stand firm. Time to unite. We have absolutely no choice now.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)a radical attempt to enforce the platform of the republican national convention, a platform which American voters soundly rejected.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)far, far more suddenly. Effectively, the GOP holds all the cards if they are willing to do this, consequences be damned. As unfair as that may be it is still the truth.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Repukes don't have shit.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)and thus bonds purchased under "coin option" could be ruled void. All it takes is a tiny bit of doubt to spook the markets.
pscot
(21,023 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)TeaPublicans are trying to force Obama into doing something for which they can (try to) impeach him.
pscot
(21,023 posts)this country has ever produced. The're stupid, selfish looneys, barking at the moon. They're an embarrassment. They make us all look bad.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)that dictates that the validity of debt of the United States of America can never be questioned. The President can issue a Declaration that House republicans are questioning the legitimate debt of the United States of American and as such stand in violation of the validity clause of the 14th Amendment. The President can then issue an Executive Order that raises the debt ceiling for five years without congressional review and issue an Executive Order that dictates that when Congress passes a law, it must have considerations for the impact of that law on US debt embedded in the law.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)The Treasury can mint anything it wants.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It crashed their economy. Zimbabwe too. And Argentina. Pretty much every time and every place it is tried.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)The history is there and no one will accept some stupid coin as payment.
trumad
(41,692 posts)And you Sir are what?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Please show me which nation could create massive amounts of currency with no underlying economic activity or commodity and NOT have its economy crash.
Just 1.
Nor can you refute the fact nobody will accept some silly little coin as payment for US obligations. You realize, of course, that as a trillion dollar coin it cannot be divided, ergo it can only be used as a lump sum payment, further eroding its liquidity because no one will agree to accept such a gimmick as payment. If I'm wrong please show me which government or private entity will accept the coin.
Just 1.
And yes, he is a hack because he doesn't argue from principle or knowledge but strictly from political expediency. His opinions on deficits changes with the party in power. That isn't even advocacy, that's unwitting political suicide because his advice isn't grounded in reality. Fact free advice causes leaders to do things contrary to the public good which gets them in trouble with their constituencies.
trumad
(41,692 posts)A noble prize winning economist----OR a guy named Unicorn on the internets....
Dude---you're too funny.
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)They will defer to the executive.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If the President had a trillion dollar coin struck and then tried to buy back a trillion dollars worth of treasury bonds from the Chinese or someone else, they would just laugh. It might be worth a $1000 but only as a novelty.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Including Krugman.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/be-ready-to-mint-that-coin/
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)They would be willing to trade all their bonds for this shiny new coin minted as a budgetary gimmick in the midst of a constitutional crisis? I'll wager those economists have only political skin in the game and no financial assets.
The first rule of value is: it's not what you say it's worth, it's only worth what the other guy is willing to voluntarily give you.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Next up: magic beans
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)would the media be so malleable on this question? No debt limit increase unless we get Single Payer, a $20.00 minimum wage, a trillion dollar infrastructure investment for transportation and decentralized renewable energy, and a across-the-board cut of 30% to the Defense Dept budget?
Something tells me, Corporate Media would be leading the charge in their demonization of Democrats for this kind of extortion that these losers are attempting on the American people.
JustAnotherGen
(31,681 posts)kentuck
(110,947 posts)That is the side that will be responsible if there is a shutdown. Only one side has the power to stop this anytime they want.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)You do have to stand up regardless the consequence. At some point, you just have to bite the bullet and show you mean business.
I'm sorry, but it really does have to be pointed out that they don't intend to negotiate, just dictate.
It is why they got away with so much. I haven't seen much in regards to an effective counter-measure, and the more we give, the more they demand.
This is, all the while they delude themselves that their counterparts don't compromise, when they have just gotten crazy.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)It only encourages more terrorism.
Martin Eden
(12,801 posts)President Obama is doing what is absolutely necessary -- stating up front he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling or a government shut-down.
We can't keep having a confrontational crisis with potentially catastrophic consequences every time the debt ceiling or a budget deadline is approached.
The president simply must not reward those kind of tactics.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The tea party is just that.
Cha
(295,899 posts)William769
(55,124 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)OT here, but did you catch Bill Clinton's comments about sane gun control? He talked about Colorado -- how in one election the state passed gun control laws and in the very next election cycle, two elected officials were recalled. He said the problem is that Democrats do not protect their candidates/office holders. He emphasized this several times, and said if Dems had the focus of Repubs we would come out in every election and we would protect our people against the NRA. And as long as we don't do this, nothing will change. Nothing.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Democrats don't protect their office holders that take difficult votes. The reason is their votes will NEVER satisfy everyone. The Left don't think the vote went far enough, the right think it went too far. People in the middle think the action is right, but those people aren't passionate voters. So, an election come up. The Left stays home because they are pissed that the officeholder didn't show enough purity. The middle don't care enough to go out of their way, the election isn't important to them. The right shows up to vote and the officeholder is defeated. This dynamic happened with Democrats to took tough votes in 2009 and 2010 on Obamacare, Women's pay equity, many of those people lost their seats because the Left didn't feel they went far enough and stayed home while Independents bought the right's lies.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Piss on the stubborn fools, let them dig their own graves!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)demands and expect the other side to cave. Their behavior is equivalent to telling a person that they can either give you what you want, or you will kill them - what sane person would accept those terms when they have ample capacity to defend themselves?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,119 posts)That said, fuck 'em. With a rusty chainsaw. If the entire country grinds to a halt because of the teabillies in Congress, let's see how many of them have the nerve to show their faces in their own districts.