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eissa

(4,238 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:10 PM Sep 2013

Bill Maher: Conservatives Must Come to California

Since then, everything Republicans say can't or won't work -- gun control, immigration reform, high-speed rail -- California is making work. And everything conservatives claim will unravel the fabric of our society -- universal healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, gay marriage, medical marijuana -- has only made California stronger. And all we had to do to accomplish that was vote out every single Republican. Without a Republican governor and without a legislature being cock-blocked by Republicans, a $27 billion deficit was turned into a surplus, continuing the proud American tradition of Republicans blowing a huge hole in the budget and then Democrats coming in and cleaning it up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/bill-maher-california_b_3999675.html


This native Californian couldn't agree more
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Bill Maher: Conservatives Must Come to California (Original Post) eissa Sep 2013 OP
Nice rant, Mr. Maher. Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2013 #1
. Iggo Sep 2013 #2
Well-said! arcane1 Sep 2013 #3
This native Californian suggests we send a postcards instead Brother Buzz Sep 2013 #4
"We said put cilantro in food, and dammit, you did" phantom power Sep 2013 #5
K&R Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #6
So true. Clinton took the huge Reagan/Bush deficit and turned it into a surplus in 6 years. DGeorge Sep 2013 #7
They conserve wealth for the rich. nt valerief Sep 2013 #17
But they really don't. tclambert Sep 2013 #32
One of the finest essays I've read on the realities of Liberal government. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #8
Yes, this Sacaramento dweller heartily endorses his statement. byronius Sep 2013 #9
I will never understand dickthegrouch Sep 2013 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #11
If we could only vote out the GOP on a national level. Initech Sep 2013 #12
That was classic. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #13
Also the Almond milk line was priceless. grantcart Sep 2013 #38
LMAO ... yeah, that gave me a good laugh, too. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #42
Oh get over yourselves and spread it to your bordering states, would ya? toby jo Sep 2013 #14
I left OH in 1982. Moved to Los Angeles and never upaloopa Sep 2013 #30
California Robbins Sep 2013 #15
Proud to be a Californian. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #16
Actually, things that the Republicans claim are impossible work in MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2013 #18
I wanna move to MN. Walker has destroyed WI and you all AllyCat Sep 2013 #55
Alas, we now have two banksters trying to destroy the Minnesota Orchestra Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2013 #59
Universal healthcare? I can only dream. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #19
Big REC!!!! zappaman Sep 2013 #20
Du rec xchrom Sep 2013 #21
I love this comment robbob Sep 2013 #22
We didn't just cut costs. We raised revenue by raising our taxes, especially those on the wealthy. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #53
Thank God. Now if only the idiot part of our population had not enacted term limits.... Hekate Sep 2013 #23
I remember when Republican Presidential candidates use to win CA regularly Yavin4 Sep 2013 #24
Oh Yeah? Well here in Wisconsin we're doing.......something different Half-Century Man Sep 2013 #25
I like the way you put things. Makes it sort of "less bad" for about AllyCat Sep 2013 #57
almond milk? NuttyFluffers Sep 2013 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #27
My pleasure eissa Sep 2013 #34
That sounds like a good recommendation, Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #37
Oh Yes! yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #28
We still have Fresno Bakersfield and Orange County. upaloopa Sep 2013 #29
I live among those knuckle draggers eissa Sep 2013 #33
I used to live in the mountains east of Bakersfield. upaloopa Sep 2013 #35
Orange County is a self-fulfilling prophecy Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #44
K&R Heathen57 Sep 2013 #31
cali is out of debt. why isn't that national news. wtf? n/t. okieinpain Sep 2013 #36
Not only are we out of debt but we are investing in education and infrastructure! emsimon33 Sep 2013 #40
We raised our taxes, raising those on the highest incomes first. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #41
Out of debt, or just running a surplus? CANDO Sep 2013 #46
Yep. I moved to CA from Virginia and I am still so embarrassed by Virginia's Republicans emsimon33 Sep 2013 #39
I always say the same thing when faced by some redstate douchebag Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #43
Gonna have to steal that.... zappaman Sep 2013 #47
Be careful, it almost got me stabbed in Arizona Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2013 #54
And thus a nation-wide Democratic Party political plan is born SaveAmerica Sep 2013 #45
My dream.... AlbertCat Sep 2013 #48
In the South and Mid West dotymed Sep 2013 #56
No, no, no, no, no, no. SheilaT Sep 2013 #49
Perhaps they could just watch Bill Maher and learn about it! Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2013 #50
That's my state!!! tblue Sep 2013 #51
Maher changed it quite a bit when he did it on his show tonight - VIDEO link below Tx4obama Sep 2013 #52
This is why I am in favor of dividing the country. Conservatives are reponsible for all the human Zorra Sep 2013 #58

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
1. Nice rant, Mr. Maher.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:16 PM
Sep 2013

We're kinda doing a bit of the same thing here in Minnesota.

We voted out the GOP in the governor's mansion and the legislature, and lookie here: we managed to recover all the jobs we lost in the recession.

Light rail's going up everywhere in the Twin Cities. And we have marriage equality, too.

But I have friends in California who love it out there. When I visited a year ago, I loved it. I admit I was at least a bit tempted to move and find a job out there.

 

DGeorge

(116 posts)
7. So true. Clinton took the huge Reagan/Bush deficit and turned it into a surplus in 6 years.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:57 PM
Sep 2013

It took the shrub one year to turn that surplus into a record deficit. Conservative party my ass.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
32. But they really don't.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:53 PM
Sep 2013

The Bush recession cost rich people a fortune, too. And a lost decade cost, well, ten years of progress. The number of billionaires went from 1,100 in 2008 to 800 from in 2009.

They think they conserve wealth for the rich because they give the rich whatever sparkly whim that catches their attention. Yet the fortunes that could have been with a decade of real progress dwarfs any that existed before.

They act like the economy follows the rules of a zero-sum game, where winners get a fixed-size prize, and losers get nothing. They forget that a well-run economy can grow and increase everyone's wealth.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
9. Yes, this Sacaramento dweller heartily endorses his statement.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:21 PM
Sep 2013

Makes you feel sorry for the Red Staters. A little. Well, for the BlueHearts in the Red States.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
10. I will never understand
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:22 PM
Sep 2013

Why the DCCC isn't absolutely hammering the GOP at every turn on their fiscal irresponsibility.
Show the wasted lives, resources, lives, time, lives, opportunities, lives in every speech. Bury them in their incontrovertible legacy.

Response to eissa (Original post)

Initech

(100,063 posts)
12. If we could only vote out the GOP on a national level.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:46 PM
Sep 2013

And I mean completely. Get the religious nuts, traditional values assholes, and gun enthusiasts out. Period.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
38. Also the Almond milk line was priceless.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:32 PM
Sep 2013

Almond milk? We just had some extra almonds and thought we'd fuck with you.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
14. Oh get over yourselves and spread it to your bordering states, would ya?
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:54 PM
Sep 2013

Then they can take it up & it'll get here to Ohio in a minute or two. A little problem with the hillbilly stupid needs mopped up here.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. I left OH in 1982. Moved to Los Angeles and never
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:15 PM
Sep 2013

looked back. I saw the writing on the wall and got the hell out before conservatives came and fucked up the place.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
15. California
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

This Is model for the nation what can happen when you give democrats complete control. California has a surplus now. They raised taxes on rich and economy Is thraving. By 2016 they will have a 10 dollor a hour minuem wage.

Some people runb for governor promising to turn things around. Well Jerry Brown did it big time.Other states need to follow the california example.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
18. Actually, things that the Republicans claim are impossible work in MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 02:43 PM
Sep 2013

Minnesota dumped its Republican governor and legislature in the last election, and while I'm not entirely happy with Mark Dayton, Forbes ranked Minnesota 8th best in the nation for business. This was despite right-wing whining that a DFL governor and legislature would drive businesses out of state.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
55. I wanna move to MN. Walker has destroyed WI and you all
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:22 AM
Sep 2013

look pretty good right now. Even better without Bachmann.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
59. Alas, we now have two banksters trying to destroy the Minnesota Orchestra
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 12:15 PM
Sep 2013

having locked out the musicians for literally a year.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
20. Big REC!!!!
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 02:49 PM
Sep 2013

Jerry Brown has turned this state around.
We should be a model for the rest of the country.
See what happens when Republicans have no say...?

robbob

(3,527 posts)
22. I love this comment
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:01 PM
Sep 2013

this was a posted comment:

Sir Guest-a-Lot
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It's great that California Democrats realized that the only way to reverse their growing deficit was to enact sharp spending cuts. If only the Democrats in Washington could come to that same understanding.


...I wanted to point out to this ass how GW and 8 years of Rethug rule took a huge surplus and turned it into a record deficit in, what? One year?

Unfortunately it seems you need to be on Facebook to log onto that site. Someone else want to straighten that guy out? I wish those nuts would just ACKNOWLEDGE what a financial disaster GW was for the country...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. We didn't just cut costs. We raised revenue by raising our taxes, especially those on the wealthy.
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 07:37 AM
Sep 2013

Rich people come here to enjoy life in the sun. They don't want to pay for anything. They just enjoy paying a lot for properties and driving up housing costs for the people who actually work and make life possible here.

So, in spite of all the propaganda against raising taxes, Californians voted in a referendum, mind you, to raise the taxes especially on the rich.

That is what has made the difference. Raising taxes.

After so many years of Republican governors, our state owed more money than we ever thought we could repay. The cuts are minimal compared to the debts the Republicans ran up.

God bless Jerry Brown. And the Democratic majority in California's legislature.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
23. Thank God. Now if only the idiot part of our population had not enacted term limits....
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
Sep 2013

... we might stand a chance of keeping a seasoned Democratic majority in Sacramento instead of continually churning freshmen through.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
24. I remember when Republican Presidential candidates use to win CA regularly
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:22 PM
Sep 2013

Now, they're extinct in the state. Keep hope alive Texas Duers. Keep hope alive.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
25. Oh Yeah? Well here in Wisconsin we're doing.......something different
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:31 PM
Sep 2013

We let our AG block freedom of information requests to state legislators, cause we have to protect the secrets of our state government....For instance, how much we know about the invasion plans of Iowa.

You'll never get to understand the feeling of security when you and your grand daughter get sharing a Lube Pros waiting room with a glowering guy muttering to himself while wearing a Glock 19 on his hip.

If you stand on your head, we're near the top of those best state lists. And standing on your head is yoga and good for you.

You have to admire our "get music to inmates" initiative. We are trying it out in the capital.

We have greatly reduced the amount of red tape bureaucracy here by eliminating state unions. No more, arbitration hearings.

Your government lacks passion, when was the last time your President of the State house was moved to nearly have a screaming stoke and break his gavel, as he gently admonished an assemblyman from the opposing party? And now due to his diligence, we have protected all our women from the living hell that is the self determination of reproductive rights.

How many of your governors have earned so much respect from the Justice Department that they get a personalized inquest into their past, to get an accurate biography written?

Our governor is so respected we decided to vote for him twice in a single election cycle. When was the last time you got to do that? California and Minnesota got nothing on us.


AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
57. I like the way you put things. Makes it sort of "less bad" for about
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Sep 2013

two seconds. Keep on fighting HCM. We'll get him out of here...but it ain't gonna be easy.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
37. That sounds like a good recommendation,
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:21 PM
Sep 2013

I drink a lot of vanilla and dark chocalate almond milk, its' loaded with anti-oxidants.

I also love fajitas with lots of gaucamole.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
29. We still have Fresno Bakersfield and Orange County.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:08 PM
Sep 2013

There's enough knuckle draggers in those places to take us backward if ever we stop fighting their influence.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
33. I live among those knuckle draggers
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
Sep 2013

And you're correct - we can never take our blue state status for granted, or let our guard down. Because in my neck of the woods the teabaggers are all over the city councils and school boards. And once they gain a foothold they usually propel upwards.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
35. I used to live in the mountains east of Bakersfield.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:13 PM
Sep 2013

I can remember the glee about going to war in Iraq.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
44. Orange County is a self-fulfilling prophecy
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 07:28 PM
Sep 2013

Most of the elected Republicans here are extremely weak and extremely out of step with where the conservatives around here are actually at. The mega-churchers vote in primaries but they don't raise much money. We just run candidates here that are terrible. So rather than aggressive candidates we get bored millionaires taking one for the team and the Republican losers triumph over an even weaker candidate.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
31. K&R
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:21 PM
Sep 2013

As I love telling my teabagging relatives, we've seen that every Repub that gets into office blows up the deficit, and when the Dems come in they give us a surplus.

They then grumble and call Obama a Kenyan.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
40. Not only are we out of debt but we are investing in education and infrastructure!
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

Bite me, Republicans!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
41. We raised our taxes, raising those on the highest incomes first.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 06:38 PM
Sep 2013

That was done by the people, not by the legislature. It was the result of a referendum, not something imposed by one party or the other.

A lot of rich people settle in California especially on the coasts. Remember, for them, if they hold on to their properties, the property taxes are relatively low, so raising income taxes is fair.

The rich in California outside of Silicon Valley do far too little for our state in terms of employing and paying members of the middle class well. Taxing their incomes is about our only means of evening the playing field. Even in Hollywood, the rich do an increasing amount of their taxable business out of our area. Yet they live here, drive the housing prices out of the roof, send their kids to private schools (thus showing little interest in supporting public schools).

Fortunately, the beaches are public even if rich people own the houses edging them.

The income disparity in California is something you can really feel if you live in Los Angeles or East Los Angeles.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
46. Out of debt, or just running a surplus?
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:18 PM
Sep 2013

I'm curious, because you can't get out of debt until you run a surplus. Then, you focus the surplus on paying down debt. The Republicans piss away surpluses with tax cuts for the rich.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
39. Yep. I moved to CA from Virginia and I am still so embarrassed by Virginia's Republicans
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 06:08 PM
Sep 2013

I am glad to be out of there. I hope that Terry wins the governorship and I hope that a Democratic majority is put in the General Assembly; however, I do not think that Terry will roll over and play dead if he has a Republican legislature. I think he will make them look like the selfish, ignorant, lying jackasses that they are.

Go, Terry!

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
43. I always say the same thing when faced by some redstate douchebag
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 07:02 PM
Sep 2013

"In basements and garages all over California people are inventing the future, in your state they're just cooking crystal meth, and even that was invented in California."

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
48. My dream....
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:54 PM
Sep 2013

.... is that my state of NC gets so tired of these Art Pope assholes that it goes majorly blue, and becomes the "California of the South." leaving all the other dumb ass Southern states behind.

But that's a dream.

I'd be satisfied with 40% of that.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
56. In the South and Mid West
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:22 AM
Sep 2013

they gerrymander so bad it is impossible to get actual representatives.

We need national referendums on money in politics, gerrymandering, so many things.
We can safely bank on-line, the voting machines are easily hackable, but if we voted (w a receipt as evidence) on-line, I think the results would be much more accurate.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
49. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 11:42 PM
Sep 2013

I don't live in California, and probably never will, but why would you want conservatives to go there and fuck everything up? Unless you're thinking that then all the other states will benefit, and so thank you for sacrificing your wonderful selves and your great state to the betterment of the rest of the country.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
52. Maher changed it quite a bit when he did it on his show tonight - VIDEO link below
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 01:56 AM
Sep 2013


VIDEO here: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-california-booming-because-we-dont-care-about-nonsense-that-keeps-fox-news-up-at-night/

He left a lot of what's up in the OP out and added some new funny bits into the video.



Zorra

(27,670 posts)
58. This is why I am in favor of dividing the country. Conservatives are reponsible for all the human
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 10:59 AM
Sep 2013

made problems on the planet. I'm sick and tired of dealing with their ignorance, selfishness, and stupidity. I'm sick and tired of having to work to keep conservatives from getting power and authority. I'm sick and tired of having to clean up the huge messes conservatives make, like a parent cleaning up after toddler quintuplets in the throes of the absolute worst case of the "terrible twos".

Give them their own country so they can establish the doomed, superstitious, repressive authoritarian Idiocracy they continually clamor for.

We would start evolving at the speed of light without conservatives to obstruct us with their constant and incurable childishness.

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