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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre the Neo-cons and Bibi too quiet for your liking
since tensions are thawing between the US and Iran?
This would be some legacy if all these wars and threats of wars come to an end...but a lot of men would lose a lot of money.
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Are the Neo-cons and Bibi too quiet for your liking (Original Post)
malaise
Sep 2013
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Not that quiet really, but the Mighty Wurlitzer is not backing them up this time.
bemildred
Sep 2013
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Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)1. Actually I am glad that Israel is remaining quiet
on the latest overtures. Obviously that can change as the process unfolds, but it is nice right now. I'm sure the neocons won't stay quiet long though.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)2. Not that quiet really, but the Mighty Wurlitzer is not backing them up this time.
Or that's my impression. They cannot really do the full war dance without the united noise machine to back their play, especially with the low street cred they already have. The noise machine itself has big credibility problems. Everybody paying attention knows the war lovers have been shown to be full of shit repeatedly in the recent past.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)3. Something in the works?
malaise
(268,930 posts)4. Well the UN Security Council voted to secure Syrian Chemical Weapons
Diplomacy over War - I'll drink to that.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)5. Wilkersen has been calling them out....
Transcript here:
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WILKERSON: First and foremost, Prime Minister Netanyahu and his extremely right-wing government in Tel Aviv. If you've seen what they've laid down as their deal parameters, if you will, it leads off with no enrichment at all, that is to say, they do not want any nuclear program whatsoever in Iran.
And then you come to this country and you find Netanyahu's allies in people like Senator John McCain, Senator Lindsey Graham from my home state, and others who are bordering on being traitors, in my view, because they won't let this president have room to achieve a diplomatic solution. They're all angry now that he didn't bomb Syria, that he in fact, in conjunction with Putin, came up with a deal that may be extremely challenging to implement. But nonetheless it's kept the bombs from dropping, which is a good thing. And so they're moving on to Iran, with Graham even saying he's going to move for legislation to authorize the use of military force against Iran in the next four to five months. So these people are bordering on being traitors. And those who would say, well, they're just good Republicans trying to keep up the pressure on Iran so that Iran will negotiate and negotiate in good faith, that's preposterous. We're to the point now where everybody needs to put down his 0.45 caliber pistol and walk [incompr.] table and begin to negotiate in good faith. And people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain need to sit down, recede into the background, if you will, and shut their mouths.
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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10756
WILKERSON: First and foremost, Prime Minister Netanyahu and his extremely right-wing government in Tel Aviv. If you've seen what they've laid down as their deal parameters, if you will, it leads off with no enrichment at all, that is to say, they do not want any nuclear program whatsoever in Iran.
And then you come to this country and you find Netanyahu's allies in people like Senator John McCain, Senator Lindsey Graham from my home state, and others who are bordering on being traitors, in my view, because they won't let this president have room to achieve a diplomatic solution. They're all angry now that he didn't bomb Syria, that he in fact, in conjunction with Putin, came up with a deal that may be extremely challenging to implement. But nonetheless it's kept the bombs from dropping, which is a good thing. And so they're moving on to Iran, with Graham even saying he's going to move for legislation to authorize the use of military force against Iran in the next four to five months. So these people are bordering on being traitors. And those who would say, well, they're just good Republicans trying to keep up the pressure on Iran so that Iran will negotiate and negotiate in good faith, that's preposterous. We're to the point now where everybody needs to put down his 0.45 caliber pistol and walk [incompr.] table and begin to negotiate in good faith. And people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain need to sit down, recede into the background, if you will, and shut their mouths.
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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10756
Yesterday's update:
What reaction do you expect from senators McCain and Graham to your statements, if any?
WILKERSON: Im too insignificant for them to react on my statements. But I will say this for whatever reason in the last 18-20 hours they have calmed down a bit and their statements, while not being supportive of the President, are at least not as divisive and as antagonistic as theyve been in the past. So, I like to think that my friends, my colleagues and others within the Republican Party and elsewhere, whove been working on this, have had some effect.
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Very well said! According to the recent documentary that you were a part of The Four Horsemen, which is a great film, by the way, would you consider the events that we are discussing now a part of this fall of the empire? And how does Russia play in this fall of the empire?
WILKERSON: I think so. Ive got real problems with the way the dynamics of global power is developing right now. You really have sort of a tri-polar situation developing. You have Beijing on the one hand growing increasingly powerful every day. You have Russia under Putin where he has a considerable, if to believe the polls in Russia, a considerable support from the Russian people. And in many respects their GDP debt and so forth and so on is looking better than the USs. And then, you have the US the teacher or the leader of the Western empire in grievous economic and financial trouble right now, which has done nothing to redress, it simply has postponed another inevitable reckoning, for example, with the big banks, because it hasnt done anything to redress their errors.
So, we are looking at a tri-polar situation any one of which poles could stumble and cause real world problems at any moment, not to mention the turmoil in Western Asia, particularly in the ME and problems in the rest of the world. So, this is not a happy time to be living, if you will, especially when you look at all the challenges we all need to confront together. And Im talking about climate change, Im talking about energy, Im talking about dwindling water, for example. The precipitate cause of the civil war in Syria was water and the lack there of thats what caused people to stand up and oppose Assad because they were dying and their farms were dying, and their crops were dying. They had no water. Part of the problem there is Israel controlling the water from the Golan Heights and not allowing Syria to have any.
So, there are significant challenges in this world that we need to confront more or less together. And we are ignoring them, while we are fighting all these little tactical problems.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_09_26/Its-time-to-put-up-or-shut-up-US-hasnt-destroyed-its-chemical-weps-what-do-you-want-of-Syria-Wilkerson-5113/
WILKERSON: Im too insignificant for them to react on my statements. But I will say this for whatever reason in the last 18-20 hours they have calmed down a bit and their statements, while not being supportive of the President, are at least not as divisive and as antagonistic as theyve been in the past. So, I like to think that my friends, my colleagues and others within the Republican Party and elsewhere, whove been working on this, have had some effect.
....
Very well said! According to the recent documentary that you were a part of The Four Horsemen, which is a great film, by the way, would you consider the events that we are discussing now a part of this fall of the empire? And how does Russia play in this fall of the empire?
WILKERSON: I think so. Ive got real problems with the way the dynamics of global power is developing right now. You really have sort of a tri-polar situation developing. You have Beijing on the one hand growing increasingly powerful every day. You have Russia under Putin where he has a considerable, if to believe the polls in Russia, a considerable support from the Russian people. And in many respects their GDP debt and so forth and so on is looking better than the USs. And then, you have the US the teacher or the leader of the Western empire in grievous economic and financial trouble right now, which has done nothing to redress, it simply has postponed another inevitable reckoning, for example, with the big banks, because it hasnt done anything to redress their errors.
So, we are looking at a tri-polar situation any one of which poles could stumble and cause real world problems at any moment, not to mention the turmoil in Western Asia, particularly in the ME and problems in the rest of the world. So, this is not a happy time to be living, if you will, especially when you look at all the challenges we all need to confront together. And Im talking about climate change, Im talking about energy, Im talking about dwindling water, for example. The precipitate cause of the civil war in Syria was water and the lack there of thats what caused people to stand up and oppose Assad because they were dying and their farms were dying, and their crops were dying. They had no water. Part of the problem there is Israel controlling the water from the Golan Heights and not allowing Syria to have any.
So, there are significant challenges in this world that we need to confront more or less together. And we are ignoring them, while we are fighting all these little tactical problems.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_09_26/Its-time-to-put-up-or-shut-up-US-hasnt-destroyed-its-chemical-weps-what-do-you-want-of-Syria-Wilkerson-5113/
malaise
(268,930 posts)6. Thanks for that important link
Thanks