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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA comment I just posted to the NY Times on the shutdown/debt ceiling fight...
This is the text of a comment I just posted, but which has not yet appeared, to the article in The New York Times titled: "House Leaves U.S. on Brink of Shutdown":
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Under what theory of democratic governance or constitutional law is an organized fadtion of elected representatives -- elected, ostensibly at least, to represent the people who elected them -- entitled to knowingly and willfully inflict, or threaten to inflict, harm upon the republic as a means of extracting a policy agenda they have been unable to achieve at the ballot box or through legitimate legislative means? Certainly none that I know of. In doing so, the GOP members of the House have created a crisis of constitutional governance if ever there was one.
Unfortunately, the Constitution doesn't contemplate such a scenario (but then, it should be added that neither does that document contemplate a two-party system or the existence of a 'debt ceiling'). What the Constitution is clear about, however, as per the 14th Amendment, that "[t]he validity of the public debt of the United States , , , shall not be questioned. Therefore, the President, pursuant to his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" and as a matter of national security, should instruct the Dept. of the Treasury to simply ignore the debt ceiling and continue to fund the operation and debt obligations of the government. Protecting the country from the willful infliction of harm by a minority faction would be a perfectly valid and legitimate legal defense for the President in the impeachment effort that would surely follow (and would just as surely fail).
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)the demands your paragraph here creates:
[font color=red]What the Constitution is clear about, however, as per the 14th Amendment, that "he validity of the public debt of the United States , , , shall not be questioned. Therefore, the President, pursuant to his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" and as a matter of national security, should instruct the Dept. of the Treasury to simply ignore the debt ceiling and continue to fund the operation and debt obligations of the government. Protecting the country from the willful infliction of harm by a minority faction would be a perfectly valid and legitimate legal defense for the President in the impeachment effort that would surely follow (and would just as surely fail).[/font color=red]
Unless we go back clear to the days of JFK.
During 1963, Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110, and this order was about to establish the slow but eventual ending of the Federal Reserve, and the ability of an American to know that their money was backed by silver bullion. What was Kennedy's reward for dong this? He was dead less than six months later.
Here is what wikipedia says about the matter:
Executive Order 11110
AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289 AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY. By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:
SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended - (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): " j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof. SECTION 2. The amendment made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.
JOHN F. KENNEDY THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963 xoxox
Once again, Executive Order 11110 is still valid. According to Title 3, United States Code, Section 301 dated January 26, 1998:
Executive Order (EO) 10289 dated Sept. 17, 1951, 16 F.R. 9499, was as amended by:
Ø EO 10583, dated December 18, 1954, 19 F.R. 8725;
Ø EO 10882 dated July 18, 1960, 25 F.R. 6869;
Ø EO 11110 dated June 4, 1963, 28 F.R. 5605;
Ø EO 11825 dated December 31, 1974, 40 F.R. 1003;
Ø EO 12608 dated September 9, 1987, 52 F.R. 34617
The 1974 and 1987 amendments, added after Kennedy's 1963 amendment, did not change or alter any part of Kennedy's EO 11110. A search of Clinton's 1998 and 1999 EO's and Presidential Directives has also shown no reference to any alterations, suspensions, or changes to EO 11110.
johnd83
(593 posts)I think he would have a pretty good case that the congress is not acting in the best interest of the country or the constitution.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I'd pay good money to see the three ring circus of those racist Repuke apes trying to impeach Obama.
Bring it on, you fucking single-celled goons!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)obstruct everything the Democrats put forward. They will not create jobs. They will do nothing but obstruct and block bills. They are irrelevant.
If Obama wants to have any chance at saving this country and building any kind of legacy for himself, not to mention giving the democrats some coattails in the hopes that we can get the House back, retain the Senate and the presidency, he needs to forget about these treasonous Republicans. Just forget about them. He needs to finally wake up and realize that they want to destroy him. If he continues to bow down to these racist fucks, I tell you--and mark my words--I am done with him. DONE! I love him and I will defend him when he does good, but I can no longer stand by as he makes a fool of himself, all while these people are literally trying to destroy this country simply because they hate him. I cannot sit by while my family continues to suffer because he can't open his eyes and come to terms with the fact that they despise him. So, let this be a lesson for him. WAKE UP, MR. PRESIDENT! WAKE THE FUCK UP!! If they will never compromise; if they are willing to see this country destroyed for political gain, then you need to take action, even if it means that they attempt to impeach you. Take action. Go to the Feds. The Treasury. Keep this government and economy running!
He does that and he'll be treated as a hero.
johnd83
(593 posts)He would technically be going against congress but congress is going against the constitution so it would just be a giant mess.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Democrats received 1 million more votes than they did. Only redistricting helped them retain the House. In other words, they had to cheat in order to remain in control and so what they are doing isn't even remotely representative of what the American people even voted for, or wanted.
This is a good comment. I hope it gets posted.