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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:34 AM Sep 2013

In Memory: Aunt Sylvia (age 3); Uncle Gordon (age 11 months)

I never met them. They died decades before I was born back in 1941 and 1939 (or thereabouts).

According to family lore (from my mother, who was born in the early 1940s), Uncle Gordon got pneumonia. They rushed him to the hospital, but were turned away because they couldn't afford to pay. He died while they were begging money from the relatives.

Aunt Sylvia had the same thing happen, only with her it was appendicitis (or so my mother was told). Same situation - rushed to the hospital, refused surgery because of lack of funds, and dead before money could be raised.

I've seen the pictures; they were beautiful babies.

Of the four children born in that period, only two survived to adulthood - my mother, and another aunt.

It is one of the reasons I find "Libertarians" extremely offensive - no one should bury people they love because they can't access medical care. The pain of it echoes for decades....and the frantic tales of young parents begging the aunts and uncles to help pay so their children wouldn't die haunts me to this day.

Who the hell wants to go back to that time of barbarism?

I am watching this fight over "Obamacare" quite closely. My twins (now age 6 years) spent time in the NICU after they were born (13 days for my son, 19 for my daughter who came home on oxygen and a heart monitor), and my pregnancy was "difficult" / ending with pre-eclampsia. I have never had the nerve to look at the "grand total" spent on medical care for all of us, and the idea my children might someday be denied life saving medical care because of hitting a "lifetime spending cap" (as currently exists/stops with Obamacare) appalls me at a level I simply cannot explain.

Realistically, I spent a lot of time in the hospital, too, during that pregnancy. I could probably hit some insurance company's limit pretty easily. Other than my high-risk pregnancy and infertility issues, I have been blessed with generally good health, as have my children, but everyone gets sick sometimes. I am currently recovering from bronchitis with a lingering nasty cough - in another time, another place, I would be dead; fortunately, I have access to affordable medical care and appropriate medications. And even with "good health" normal life stuff happens: my son was four when he slipped on a slide at school, and ended up with three stitches in his forehead - that was a couple of thousand dollars (yeah, insurance!), and my daughter was also four when she swallowed a penny at school, which ended up getting stuck in her throat such that she had to be anesthetized for its removal - again, thousands of dollars worth of care, and yeah, insurance!

Which nurse would I have penny pinched, if I hadn't had good insurance? Which x-ray would I have skipped? Would I have taped his forehead shut, and hoped the scar wouldn't be big? Would I have walked from the hospital, praying the penny would "easily pass" (note: it wasn't going to) and chanced her airway being obstructed? In the eyes of millions all over the world, I am rich beyond comprehension because I didn't even have to think about those choices. I am lucky: my husband and I handed them our insurance cards, my children were treated, and we didn't end up filing bankruptcy over the ensuing medical bills.

In the middle of the moment, I didn't worry about a "lifetime cap" - and thank heavens we get insurance through my husband's job! But anyone who has lived through the ups and downs of this economy knows that can change at any time, and it doesn't matter how good you are at your job, nothing in life is guaranteed except death and taxes.

Wise people hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. I think Obamacare does those things. Frankly, it should have happened a long time ago.

In my family, we buried children from my mother's generation who didn't need to die.

Didn't these Republicans listen to the family stories? Don't they go to their family cemeteries, and notice the dates on the gravestones? Or notice where there is no headstone, because it cost too much for the little ones?

To my sorrow, my family stories are not unique.

Rest in peace, Aunt Sylvia. Rest in peace, Uncle Gordon. I never met you, but in your memory, I hugged my children closer when I thought of you when they were your age. You have not been forgotten.

We remember. And now, everyone at DU knows about you, too.

For Aunt Sylvia (age 3): For Uncle Gordon (age 11 months):

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In Memory: Aunt Sylvia (age 3); Uncle Gordon (age 11 months) (Original Post) IdaBriggs Sep 2013 OP
Wow. Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
Thank you. (nt) IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #3
Beautiful tribute, thank you..n/t monmouth3 Sep 2013 #2
Thank you. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #4
Very sad. Didn't know stuff like that existed back then..n/t monmouth3 Sep 2013 #5
Apparently this was very common practice back then. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #11
It was only in 1986 that hospitals were required to provide care jeff47 Sep 2013 #25
I've been quoting you all over the place... IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #77
you're welcome! (nt) jeff47 Oct 2013 #82
Wow I didn't know this. LukeFL Oct 2013 #89
Both of my grandmothers buried LibDemAlways Sep 2013 #6
For the aunts and uncles you never met. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #14
For Uncle Arthru 14 months grantcart Sep 2013 #7
For your Uncle Arthur. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #12
in rememberence. diabeticman Sep 2013 #8
Thank you. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #15
And This Is What We Are Fighting For... grilled onions Sep 2013 #9
Preach it! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #35
My mother-in-law sat in the hospital Worried senior Sep 2013 #10
We take so much for granted. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #13
Fantastic Post, IB! KoKo Sep 2013 #16
Thank you! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #33
K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #17
Thank you. We are a proud, rich nation. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #34
If it is delayed another year, DocMac Oct 2013 #51
It looks like the Dems are holding firm. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #55
For my sister, Lee Ann sarge43 Sep 2013 #18
For Lee Ann, and what should have been. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #20
Thank you, Ida sarge43 Sep 2013 #22
They both died in the era before anti-biotics, SheilaT Sep 2013 #19
According to PBS (which I only know about because of looking it up IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #21
Also, in the WWII years penicillin was unavailable, as well Cleita Sep 2013 #24
There was a pretty long lapse between the discovery and widespread use. SheilaT Sep 2013 #44
In 1947 FlaGranny Oct 2013 #70
Good example. SheilaT Oct 2013 #86
In their memory (and in my sister's), I will fight the Repuglikkkan.... lastlib Sep 2013 #23
I am so sorry about your sister! IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #28
How sad! Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #42
My three year old cousin died from peritonitis Cleita Sep 2013 #26
It is over 70 years later, and we are still fighting these old battles. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #29
Here's another aspect to this post. I maintain a website for genealogy for the county shraby Sep 2013 #27
You are right. One side of the family lost miners in West Virginia. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #30
Aunt Agnes, age 3 Jack Rabbit Sep 2013 #31
Thank you for sharing. IdaBriggs Sep 2013 #32
Thank you for sharing your family's all-too-common heartbreak, Ida. hedda_foil Sep 2013 #36
Thank you, hedda_foil! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #56
I was lucky enough to just happen to be in France when I had my high-risk pregnancy. JDPriestly Sep 2013 #37
Thank you for sharing. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #57
I had a Aunt Vera that died when she was baby from some illness. texanwitch Sep 2013 #38
For Aunt Vera. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #58
God I just realized that my father's 2 brothers who died in childhood probably wouldn't have if Maraya1969 Sep 2013 #39
It is weird the way we just "accept things" and then suddenly the world changes IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #59
powerful. thread of the year Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #40
+1 daleanime Sep 2013 #43
Wow. One of the best compliments in my life. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #60
What a moving tribute, IdaBriggs Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #41
I think the horror of it is in the 20th century period is that IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #61
Amazing, powerful post! markpkessinger Sep 2013 #45
Thank you! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #62
Had a good friend who worked most of her life and then got cancer. kiranon Sep 2013 #46
I am so sorry for your loss. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #63
Thank you. kiranon Oct 2013 #85
What both breaks my heart and makes me angry HeiressofBickworth Sep 2013 #47
Republicans work for the 1%. Libertarians don't believe they'll age or have "bad luck". IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #64
Republicans don't understand, because in THEIR families, they found the money to pay for health care Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #48
I think they also forget how things "used to be" and remember only the parts they want to. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #65
Inherited wealth breeds an attitude of privilage. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #87
I slipped on a slide when I was 4 as well, Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #49
It was a *lot* more two years ago. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #66
Awesome post! tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #50
Thank you! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #67
My grandmother had NINE die before the last 3 lived..No prenatal care SoCalDem Oct 2013 #52
I can't even imagine the devestation. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #68
When I was about 10, I found pictures of them wrapped in fabric & stashed SoCalDem Oct 2013 #73
Heartbreaking! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #74
Twins.. I always wanted twins SoCalDem Oct 2013 #75
Adorable! Looks like you had at least one tow-head! IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #76
Thank you so much for your compelling tribute to Cha Oct 2013 #53
Thank you for your kind words. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #69
And the assholes claim this is a Christian nation. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #54
I didn't know that type of thing didn't change until 1986. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #71
That's awful! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #72
I lift a candle of remembrance to all who have been lost. ladyVet Oct 2013 #78
For Uncle Joe, age 18 MelungeonWoman Oct 2013 #79
For Uncle Joe. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #80
Excellent post! Thank you. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #81
Thank you. This is my first post ever where EVERYONE has been 100% wonderful. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #83
I know. I went back and read them all. This touches everyone because it's real. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #84
You made me cry. LukeFL Oct 2013 #88
Thank you. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #90
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
4. Thank you.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:08 PM
Sep 2013

I am told that one of the uncles rushed to the hospital for my Aunt Sylvia, but by the time he got word, it was too late.

He was always my mother's favorite because of that. She talked about it whenever we walked by his grave, even all of these decades later.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
11. Apparently this was very common practice back then.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:41 PM
Sep 2013

We take surviving a hospital visit for granted nowadays.

For a *very* long time, going to the hospital was equated with a "death sentence" in my mother's mind, because everyone she knew who "went to the hospital" died.

In my family, my great-grandfather was a dairy farmer in (then rural) northern southeastern Michigan.

His son (my grandfather) eventually served in the Navy in WWII (after the death of his two oldest children); and in the 1950s was a line-man for AT&T where he *may* have had health insurance (I really don't know). But his two firstborn were dead for over a decade by then.

As for health care, according to PBS (which I just looked up after your post) --

Beginning in the 1900s:

"Doctors are no longer expected to provide free services to all hospital patients."

And in the 1920s:

"Rural health facilities are clearly inadequate." and "Penicillin is discovered, but it will be twenty years before it is used to combat infection and disease. "

See Healthcare Crisis: Healthcare Timeline - http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/history.htm


The automotive industry began the whole "offer health insurance to attract workers" thing. Rural folk (the majority of the population at the time) dealt with a different reality.

Even today, accessing health care is something associated with "affluence" -- poor countries don't provide it, and if you can't pay for it (in other places), you don't get it.

One of my mother's best friends (may she rest in peace) died because she wasn't able to keep up with check-ups after she successfully beat cancer and it returned; that was only a few years ago, and in the United States.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
77. I've been quoting you all over the place...
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:50 AM
Oct 2013

and forgot to say "thank you" for finding this.

I did not know this. I really didn't.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
6. Both of my grandmothers buried
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:27 PM
Sep 2013

infants. Your story was commonplace at one time. My grandmothers were poor immigrants without the resources to pay for good medical care. Thanks for posting and reminding us that for too many in this country medical care remains an unaffordable luxury.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
7. For Uncle Arthru 14 months
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:29 PM
Sep 2013

I don't know what the hell he died from because 30 years later when we asked that generation what happened they would still get too choked up to talk about it.

K and rec'd

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
9. And This Is What We Are Fighting For...
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:32 PM
Sep 2013

demanding and we will accept nothing less..to all the former babies and adults who did not survive because of no insurance and to those of the here and now who also have no health coverage...we DO have a right to the same coverage those who are in Congress have.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
10. My mother-in-law sat in the hospital
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:33 PM
Sep 2013

lobby in active labor while my father-in-law ran to find the money to pay for my husbands birth. This was in 1943.

BumRushDaShow

(128,834 posts)
17. K&R
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:50 PM
Sep 2013

And thank you for sharing. So many were lost for lack of care and what's worse is when it's for lack of money.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
18. For my sister, Lee Ann
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

Born in 1932, died a year later from pneumonia. Middle of the depression, hardly enough money for food, let alone medical care. Poverty, a killer condition and those creatures in the House want to make sure we all suffer from it.

Rest in peace, Sis. You should have had a long fruitful life.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
22. Thank you, Ida
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:01 PM
Sep 2013

I never knew her, born 10 years later. I do remember my mother quietly weeping for her fifty years later. The wound may heal; the scar remains.

For your uncle and aunt and dreams unfulfilled

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
19. They both died in the era before anti-biotics,
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:52 PM
Sep 2013

which may actually be why they died.

Around thirty years ago I had as my family doctor a man who had attended medical school during and immediately after WWII. He still, at that point forty years later, was in awe of the power of antibiotics, because he had seen the change from people dying all the time from things like pneumonia and appendicitis to living.

But your larger point, about people dying because of lack of health care is both true and important.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
21. According to PBS (which I only know about because of looking it up
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:59 PM
Sep 2013

for another poster), penicillin was discovered in the 1920s, but it was another 20 years before it was widely used. It would have been in the right time frame for them to access it, if their rural hospitals were "up to snuff" (which obviously I have no way of knowing at this point in time). But with the hospital refusing care, it really became a moot point; money was spent on their burials instead.

It also seems odd that a 3 year old could get appendicitis, but that is what is on her death certificate.



In the pictures, they were so little....

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
24. Also, in the WWII years penicillin was unavailable, as well
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

as other drugs, because what was manufactured all went to the war effort. I was a toddler then and nearly died of pneumonia because penicillin was unavailable, not because my parents couldn't afford it. I was tough enough to survive but other babies and small children didn't. Also, there were diseases that killed children then like Scarlet Fever, Typhoid and Polio that you never hear of today.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
44. There was a pretty long lapse between the discovery and widespread use.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:38 PM
Sep 2013

I believe it was quite difficult to manufacture in any sort of quantities until around the time of WWII, and then every bit that was produced went to the war effort.

In short, penicillin was simply not available in any practical terms until 1945 or later.

My older brother who was born in 1943, according to family lore, got pneumonia when he was two. The story is that because Dad was in the service, stationed stateside, my brother was able to be admitted to a military hospital and got penicillin. They would have been living on Long Island, and I've always wondered slightly about that story. Both parents are long gone, and my brother probably wouldn't remember any particulars, but I've never asked him.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
70. In 1947
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:15 AM
Oct 2013

I was 7 years old. I became very sick with tonsillitis. I guess I nearly died. In those days we had a family doctor who would make house calls. After I had been sick for a couple of weeks with no improvement, he came to the house one day and told my mother he was going to give me something "new" that might help me. It was penicillin. He gave me a shot and by the next day I started to rapidly improve. In total I missed a month of school. Before the penicillin, I was too sick to eat, too sick to get out of bed. The doctor was a small town doctor and we lived in the country and I'm lucky that he tried something "new" which I think he ordered just to see if it could "save me."

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
86. Good example.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 04:34 PM
Oct 2013

Even two years after WWII ended penicillin was not yet widely known nor available.

I used to read old Life Magazines, starting with the first issue in November, 1936. Made it through March, 1945. Anyway, among the many things I noticed, was how many people died of things like pneumonia, compared to today. It stood out that there were no anti-biotics. And how people died of things, infections and the like, that today would be trivial.

lastlib

(23,208 posts)
23. In their memory (and in my sister's), I will fight the Repuglikkkan....
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:02 PM
Sep 2013

...war on healthcare reform!

My sister died of cancer at age 32 because insurance company profits took priority over lifesaving treatment. She was victimized in particular by lifetime/annual benefit caps and pre-existing condition rules. She died trying to declare bankruptcy and qualify for Medicaid.

. .

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
42. How sad!
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:20 PM
Sep 2013

Especially since it was because that horrible, painful villain called Cancer. I'm soooo sorry for all those deceased relatives mentioned here due to lack of health insurance and/or life saving medication. Bless them all.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
26. My three year old cousin died from peritonitis
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:43 PM
Sep 2013

in 1941 because of the unavailability of anti-biotics after having his appendix removed. I believe many children did in those days. It's awful your relatives were denied any care at all. I guess this is Republican family values at work.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
27. Here's another aspect to this post. I maintain a website for genealogy for the county
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:49 PM
Sep 2013

I live in. What you've posted is so true, but there are multitudes in the cems who died not because they couldn't get care, but because their places of employment weren't safe to work at. People fell from heights, got caught in circular saws, their clothing caught fire, and many other reasons for their untimely deaths.
The attention that finally got paid to unsafe working conditions and the laws passed made a huge difference.
Remember, this was a time also when children were in the work force.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
30. You are right. One side of the family lost miners in West Virginia.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:53 PM
Sep 2013

Another side lost them in the "Upper Peninsula."

Again, we take things for granted, even as some of these protections get dismantled inappropriately whenever the wrong party comes to power.

And thank you for the work you are doing in genealogy. My interest in the topic has made me one of the "family historians" (which is partly why I know the stories).

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
31. Aunt Agnes, age 3
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 02:17 PM
Sep 2013

My grandparents' living room was a shrine to Aunt Agnes. Above the mantle hung a large portrait of a little girl. "That's you Aunt Agnes," my grandmother told me. It was a bit of a mystery. My other aunts and uncles were middle aged or older people and I had actually met them. Aunt Agnes didn't look any older than I was. She look something like Christine, the little girl from up the street I played with. How come I couldn't play with this little girl, who is my aunt? Why haven't I seen her? If I do see her, am I supposed to act toward her as I do toward Auntie Beth or Aunt Mary, or play with her like I do with Christine?

One day I asked Grandma where Aunt Agnes lived and if I would ever meet her. "You'll meet her someday, I hope," Grandma said. "She's in Heaven."

Aunt Agnes contracted a strep infection not long before she would have turned four. That was in 1918, when strep infections were fatal to children much more often than they are now.

Unfortunately, with the widening of the income gap between rich and poor, the determination of the rich to oppress the poor and middle class and the determination of the political stooges of the rich to suppress America's belated nascent move toward national health insurance, one can only ask if the kind of tragedies in Ida's grandparents' family or in my grandparents' family will again become common place.

Aunt Agnes

hedda_foil

(16,372 posts)
36. Thank you for sharing your family's all-too-common heartbreak, Ida.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 05:31 PM
Sep 2013

I was so engrossed in the tragedy of losing those beautiful babies that I had forgotten to see who posted this. When you mentioned your own twins, I realized it must be the indomitable IdaBriggs.

It's a grim reminder of how hard we must be willing to fight to hold on to the ACA and the blessings it promises for so many families now and in the future.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
56. Thank you, hedda_foil!
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:55 AM
Oct 2013

You always make me feel like I am "reaching" people - you have no idea how much I appreciate it!

The twins have been keeping me busy; they are in first grade now -- where is the time going? They are so OPINIONATED now - where did they get THAT from?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. I was lucky enough to just happen to be in France when I had my high-risk pregnancy.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 06:41 PM
Sep 2013

We were insured by the insurance of another country. Never mind.

The French doctors, hospitals, nurses, technicians, authorities didn't ask any questions. They gave me a great room, saved my life and that of my daughter.

I am alive thanks to French single-payer insurance. So is my daughter.

I'm living proof that single-payer works for everyone.

Obamacare is OK with me. I might have preferred some single-payer plan, but Obamacare is close enough. Who knows how it will morph into something even better? I believe it will.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
57. Thank you for sharing.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:56 AM
Oct 2013

And I hope you right - single payer seems to be the most sensible way to go long term.

texanwitch

(18,705 posts)
38. I had a Aunt Vera that died when she was baby from some illness.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 08:51 PM
Sep 2013

My Grandparents couldn't afford a Dr. must less a hospital.

I think of her often.

I only had one Aunt growing up.

I am sure she could have been saved, it was about 1920 or so.

Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
39. God I just realized that my father's 2 brothers who died in childhood probably wouldn't have if
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 09:04 PM
Sep 2013

they had access to health care. I had always just thought that many people did not make it because health care had not advanced enough. I never thought their abject poverty could be the cause.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
59. It is weird the way we just "accept things" and then suddenly the world changes
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 07:59 AM
Oct 2013

when we realize theoretical concepts have actually dramatically impacted our lives.

Your dad lost two brothers, and if what you suspect now is true, do you think he understood it at the time, or even later, in family lore?

My mom "got it" and it scares her to this day....

For your father's brothers:

and

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
41. What a moving tribute, IdaBriggs
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 09:51 PM
Sep 2013

and I certainly thank you for posting these stories.

It seems as though people back in the day, no matter where they lived, expected that one or some of their children would contract a life-threatening disease or illness and die. Medicine had not progressed to a point where more lives could be saved.

But in more modern times, I feel there has been a fatalistic resolution by too many people who think, "Well, I can't afford health insurance, so I guess I just can't have it." Kind of on the same level as "I'm priced out of the Mercedes-Benz market."

People must snap out of these doldrums and understand that being healthy and having access to health care is a human right. With fighters like you, it may happen in my lifetime.

Meanwhile, for Aunt Sylvia and Uncle Gordon

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
61. I think the horror of it is in the 20th century period is that
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:04 AM
Oct 2013

medicine *had* progressed, but people couldn't get to it.

And we still have that problem now, in the early part of the 21st century. I agree with you - it is a HUMAN RIGHT issue. We are better off when we take care of our community, and see everyone as a valued member of it.

I appreciate your kind words, but honestly, I don't think I fight hard enough. There is so much more that needs doing....

Step one, step two....

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
46. Had a good friend who worked most of her life and then got cancer.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:41 PM
Sep 2013

Couldn't work, couldn't afford Cobra and ultimately committed suicide when it got to be too much. Everyone needs health insurance. it is a human right and I'll gladly pay more in taxes for it. We had been friends since we were 9 years old - friends for about 50 years. Also saw my Dad pass gall stones without any meds or doctor helping because our family had no health insurance. That's when I was quite young and I knew then that we all had to stay healthy. Very sorry the babies died without access to health care - it's a tragedy that had no reason to be. Long live Obamacare and it's hoped for sequel - Universal Health Care/Medicare for all.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
47. What both breaks my heart and makes me angry
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 11:28 PM
Sep 2013

is that stories like these are the GOAL of libertarians and republicans. They see nothing wrong with children or adults dying because they are too poor for health care. In their rarified-air world, only the wealthy should be living anyway. All others simply don't matter. They have no hearts that would break at the telling of these stories and without the capacity for empathy, they will fight any law or policy that seeks to help the less fortunate. I can't understand how these people can live with themselves.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
64. Republicans work for the 1%. Libertarians don't believe they'll age or have "bad luck".
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:06 AM
Oct 2013

Those are my theories; your mileage may vary.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
48. Republicans don't understand, because in THEIR families, they found the money to pay for health care
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:10 AM
Oct 2013

They stole it through other people's labor or directly or by dodging taxes.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
65. I think they also forget how things "used to be" and remember only the parts they want to.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:09 AM
Oct 2013

Like watching "Leave it to Beaver" and seeing June Cleaver vacuuming in pearls and high heels, always greeting her kids with cookies.

They missed the whole "fictional" part. Sigh.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
87. Inherited wealth breeds an attitude of privilage.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

Even as an average American - if you travel to other parts of the world you see the disparity as long as your mind stays open.

There is always a bit of "shielding" in our minds that lets us move ahead with gratitude for what we have without spending all our time worrying about what others DON'T have.

The richer someone is away from that feeling that "it could be me" the harder it is to give a part of ourselves or our money to others. The easier it becomes to villainize the downtrodden and say they must have done it to themselves.


Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
49. I slipped on a slide when I was 4 as well,
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:32 AM
Oct 2013

and had to get stitches in my forehead. That was when Beatlemania was getting into high gear. The cost of the treatment (according to my mom) was around $10.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
66. It was a *lot* more two years ago.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:11 AM
Oct 2013

I believe the pediatrician got paid more for removing them than that, too.

It was *not* a fun experience! Lol! (And is it bad that I was glad both incidents happened at school?)

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
52. My grandmother had NINE die before the last 3 lived..No prenatal care
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:20 AM
Oct 2013

preemies all of them, and most were breech.

Of the three who lived (My Mother, aunt & uncle)
they caught whooping cough..chicken pox,..,measles..

My aunt had undulant fever, diphtheria, and pneumonia

They used poultices & help from the family doctor when they could afford it..

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
68. I can't even imagine the devestation.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:13 AM
Oct 2013

I have a special place in my heart for the preemies, and I can't even go there.

I am so sorry for those losses.



For your aunts and uncles -

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
73. When I was about 10, I found pictures of them wrapped in fabric & stashed
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:23 AM
Oct 2013

in a closet in the basement... They named them all..dressed them up & had their pictures taken before they buried them.. I found them listed in some old city directories/census stuff.. Some of the names I remembered: Irene, Edward, John, Rose, Mary, Frank, David

I had two preemies, but modern medicine made all the difference.. (Our first weight 4 lb 4 oz after 3 weeks in the nursery.. I still remember thinking that I was responsible for this little life, who weighed less than a bag of sugar in my pantry .. Our other preemie was HUGE..he weighed 5 lb 4 oz..

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
74. Heartbreaking!
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:28 AM
Oct 2013


I know a couple of people who have been adopting from the Ukraine; did you know they let preemies 32 weeks and younger die because they don't have the medical equipment to take care of them?

MINE were 32 weekers!

If you want to see pictures, take a look at this link: http://www.preemiegrowthproject.org/Quick_Summary_with_Baby_Pictures_20120908.pdf

Yup, those are my babies.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
75. Twins.. I always wanted twins
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

But then I also wanted 3 girls & got 3 boys

Here's a pic of the three when they were little.. oldest & youngest were the preemies:
youngest-middle-oldest


my "baby"..soon to be 35
my oldest will be 40 in a few months
the middle will be 36

sheez-louise..where did the time go

Cha

(297,137 posts)
53. Thank you so much for your compelling tribute to
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:18 AM
Oct 2013

your Uncle Gordon and Aunt Sylvia, Ida. How heartbreaking for your family back then who lost their babies so unnecessarily. Just from not having proper care at the hospitals because they couldn't afford to pay for it right then and there. Very sad.

May our new Health Care Law prevent that from happening to so many families from here on.


 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
71. I didn't know that type of thing didn't change until 1986.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:17 AM
Oct 2013

The scary thing? I had a life threatening accident requiring surgery when I was young back in the early 80s. Fortunately my father was employed at GM. It didn't occurr to me until reading some of the posts here that if he hadn't had insurance, I would probably be dead now - or my parents would have been in deep financial distress.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
78. I lift a candle of remembrance to all who have been lost.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:58 AM
Oct 2013

Especially when they didn't have to be.

I can't imagine how heartless people who have sworn an oath to do no harm have to be, to turn away sick children.

My grandparents weren't wealthy, being textile mill workers. They lost two babies, both boys, for reasons I never knew. One is supposedly still preserved at Duke University, where there was research done that apparently was used to save their only male child, my mother's baby brother.

My mother was hit by a car, around 1943 or so, and was rushed by ambulance to the hospital. She died and was revived three times before she made it to the hospital. My grandfather gave blood several times to save her life, she was hospitalized for weeks.

She has a metal plate in her head, and a scar behind her ear, but no other issues from the accident. Today, she is fairly healthy, other than slightly elevated blood pressure, and she is a one-year breast cancer survivor.

I don't know how it was paid for, but I imagine it was done bit by bit over years. That's how we used to pay for medical care if it was a lot of money. My dad still owes the hospital for when I was born (if they were still around, they'd probably be coming after him for it!).

My oldest son had pneumonia when he was about three (this would have been sometime in 1982). We were self-employed, no insurance. Luckily, he didn't need more than antibiotics. The bill wasn't all that much, and we paid it off. Up until HMOs came in, we mostly just paid out of pocket for most things, and we were far from well-off -- working poor, they call it.

I'll admit, I don't think much of the ACA, but it's better than nothing. I hope single-payer becomes a reality soon.

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
79. For Uncle Joe, age 18
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 09:29 AM
Oct 2013

Fell off and run over by a wagon, they didn't even bother taking him to the hospital because that was for rich folk. He lingered 2 days before passing in 1935. It left my Grandfather angry and bitter and in turn changed my mothers life forever.


Thank you for the powerful post.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
81. Excellent post! Thank you.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 10:48 AM
Oct 2013

One of the few times I've commented on a post without reading the other comments first. You had me at "In memory: Aunt Sylvia (Age 3);"

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
83. Thank you. This is my first post ever where EVERYONE has been 100% wonderful.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 11:33 AM
Oct 2013

I shared the link with my mother and some other family. They have been unbelievably touched by the outpouring of goodwill.

DU is an awesome place.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
88. You made me cry.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:55 PM
Oct 2013

We, democrats are good people. We should be proud of it.

May your uncle and aunt rest in peace.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
90. Thank you.
Thu Oct 3, 2013, 07:38 AM
Oct 2013

It felt important to share. This is what we are fighting for - US!

(And the compliment - )

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