I just want to say: the President's doing a good job on handling the GOP right now

[MannyGoldstein]

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Many of us here disagree on how things got to be the way they are.

But right now, I think that almost all of us agree that Obama's doing the right thing. There's a good ways to go before we're out of this particular briar patch, but if Democrats hang tough we've a much better chance of getting out in one piece.

Excelsior!

[leftstreet]

1. What's he doing?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

3. Not capitulating.

And exposing them as political opportunist frauds.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. He is making them look like fools!

[gholtron]

86. Well I think some or the majority of the credit should go to

Boner,
Cruz

[DebJ]

20. Simply hoisting them with their own petard. n/t

[CreekDog]

22. the opposite of what you've been agitating for

[rhett o rick]

28. You just cant pass up the opportunity to be disparaging. Do you think that's healthy for the Party?

[CreekDog]

31. that poster, leftstreet, has been disparaging health care reform at every step

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and i don't really think that someone who complains in 2011 that Obama needs to deal with the birthers, then weeks later when he releases his birth certificate, gets on DU and complains that Obama shouldn't have responded.

i don't like being played, not on a birther issue and no with false talking points about the ACA.

[leftstreet]

43. I appreciate your interest in my posts

And let me assure you, since you seem excitable, that I am not 'playing you.' Although I'm sure it does happen to you

Obama handled the 'birther issue' horribly, but you probably know that

There are no 'false talking points' about the ACA. The mandate is wrong. Period

[Nimyth]

73. Mandate

= a Tax and is completely legal and constitutional- Yes I know that awful word tax - but next time you need an EMT or a firefighter or a police officer, or drive the roads etc... remember SOMEONE has to provide the funding for all these service the majority of us use- shame some do not -pay their fair share and even now want to pay less- because they hire drivers, have private police forces, that watch over their gated communities their own private firefighters etc, and figure the rest of us should just go without.

[leftstreet]

75. Um, people don't have to buy protection insurance

fire, police, emt

At least not yet anyway

[Nimyth]

79. You Don't

Have to buy medical insurance either- For example when you do not buy insurance for your car you pay what is termed a uninsured motorist 'fee' that is there to protect all the other motorist on the road with you so if you are negligent and cause an accident that causes them harm they have 'protection'. Same principle with health care -don't get insurance pay the fee- that goes into the 'kiddie' to help protect others -for example you don't have medical insurance you get a communicable disease that you don't treat- those whom would like to get medical care for the illness they caught from you are covered. And no in MOST places you do not have to buy protection insurance for fires etc ( they tried that once massive fail NYC about burned to the ground) instead you pay taxes which pay the firefighters, emt's etc

[Nimyth]

81. House burns to ground

because family did not pay 'fee'
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again?lite

[Blanks]

118. I'm pretty sure it's 'Kitty', but your on a roll. eom

[merrily]

125. The distinction between public and private is indeed important.

because they hire drivers, have private police forces, that watch over their gated communities their own private firefighters etc, and figure the rest of us should just go without.

Normally, we pay taxes to "buy" things from government, be it police who work for the government or the ability of government to provide for our fellow Americans in need.. Or, as with Medicare, we pay premiums to the government to buy health insurance from government.

That is not what Obamacare does. Obamacare is designed to make us insurance buy from private vendors or pay a tax.

[Nimyth]

127. Medical Insurance

Is not the only instance as I highlighted if you drive a car you are 'mandated' to purchase insurance from yes PRIVATE companies or pay a fine- Why because we have far to many people pushing for less 'taxation' or 'waste' funny how those same people seem to have no problem with corporate welfare programs but the idea that a fellow taxpaying citizen should be entitled to the same standard of living just makes them crazy. So rather than the nation pooling their resources and buying their medications directly from the manufacturer in bulk at a discount we use 'private' resources as a middle man that drive the cost up. Want the middleman gone- then work on getting single payer. Until then due to the influence of large corporations and their lobbyist this is the best we can get...yes it could be much better but getting rid of it will not get us there, fighting to improve it might though

[bvar22]

121. WOW.

The main complaint from the BOG is that The Left never supports President Obama,
and ALWAYS criticizes him.

So what do you do when someone PRAISES Obama?
I mean....WTF?

[CreekDog]

129. Take a look at who i responded to and i'll accept your apology once you do

I 100% support Obama in these negotiations. I LOVE how he's handled them.

I compliment Manny on his post.

I criticized leftstreet for saying Obamacare should be scaled back.

And I'm cranky about this because yours us the second post accusing me of criticizing the OP when I supported the OP and Obsma 100%.

[Skip Intro]

47. That's his contribution to DU - running around the board,

attacking people he doesn't like. Like a schoolyard bully.

Great waste of time to engage him, though. But I'm sure you know that already.

[rhett o rick]

49. Yes I agree but as you can see, I succumb to responding though I know better. nm

[Capt. Obvious]

52. There's a thread picking on white people that needs your attention

That's your contribution to DU.

[CreekDog]

55. have any more luck alerting on your own posts lately?

"I like cjeekdgg..."

Yes, that's when you self-alerted your own post about me in Meta for some BS reason you expected us to believe.

[leftstreet]

42. I have always been opposed to the mandate

I still am

Does that disqualify me for participation at DU?

[rhett o rick]

54. Insurance is spreading the risk. The fortunate help the less fortunate.

The mandate is necessary because people that are healthy need to pay in to build up the coffers in case they later need help. If they dont need help later, then they are fortunate. Insurance wont work if you let people skate by without contributing until they get sick. "The Mandate" sounds terribly like government control but that's just perception. Medicare Part B has something similar. In fact I wish the ADA would have adopted something similar to Medicare Part B instead of the mandate. If you want Medicare Part B coverage you must join when you are first eligible and stay in or if you dont, you have to pay a substantial penalty if you join at a later date. No one seems to complain about the "mandate" to join Medicare when first eligible or pay a penalty. I believe the ACA would have come off looking better if they had included something like Medicare Part B.

[geek tragedy]

58. That is a very good discussion of the issue. nt

[Robbins]

61. I agree

In theory i oppose indivual mandate but after listening to reasons why I understand why.

[leftstreet]

67. Not when states can opt-out of Medicaid expansions

The fortunate will be fortunate

The unfortunate will be fucked

[DireStrike]

91. You don't need to mandate that people pay private companies which add no value.

If the senate whips had done their jobs and gotten 60 votes... or if progressives had had their way and gotten Ned Lamont elected over the DNC-supported Lieberman, who defeated our own bills just as surely as any republican... If Democrats hadn't needlessly compromised when they had supermajorities in both houses (for what? Republican good will?!)...

IF that had been done in 2008, we could have had at least a public option.

[rhett o rick]

93. The whole idea behind insurance is that that the healthy pay to help those less fortunate.

If we let the healthy opt out until they are sick, the system will collapse. Single payer would have been great but it still would require a mandate. Social Security and Medicare have mandates. Every other modern country has mandates.

[DireStrike]

95. I didn't say not to require healthy people to participate

I said to not force them to pay insurance companies.

If you had 9999 useless, parasitic insurance companies, and one public option on each exchange, I could support this law. As it is, I cannot.

[rhett o rick]

97. We would love it to be different, but it is what it is today. nm

[DireStrike]

98. Because of the actions of the Democratic senate and DNC in 2008 and 2009. -nt-

[lumberjack_jeff]

65. "universal" = "mandatory"

mandatory single payer would be better, but you don't insure the uninsured without making it universal.

[leftstreet]

66. There's no guarantee the uninsured will be insured

There's an opt-out with fines collected by the IRS

Workers and employers don't typically choose to opt-out of tax withholdings to fund SS and Medicare and pay a fine instead

Funding single payer in that manner would be 'universal'

That's all I meant

[lumberjack_jeff]

68. So you're suggesting that the mandate should be MORE mandatory?

Workers and employers don't typically choose to opt-out of tax withholdings to fund SS and Medicare and pay a fine instead

It is true enough that not everyone will react to the mandate in the same way. In fact, no one will go to jail or have their assets seized if they simply refuse to buy insurance or pay the fine.

It'd be better if the mandate was enforced by the laws governing other forms of tax evasion, but it is not.

[leftstreet]

71. Only if it was single payer nonprofit

like SS, Medicare

[DinahMoeHum]

76. You can't have everything perfect in this life. . .

. . .and although ACA is not perfect and is not single-payer/public-option, it's an important start toward eventual single-payer/public option.

[Speed8098]

87. And there it is

Thank you DinahMoeHum. That is a truly progressive statement and I wholeheartedly agree.

[leftstreet]

88. It's excellent reform of private insurance!

I've always thought the ACA could have easily been sold by the Democrats. Necessary reforms very welcomed by the insured, and a bold start to greater regulations

It's the mandate that sucks

[DireStrike]

92. And let's return to WHY we can't have everything

with supermajorities in both houses and the presidency.

With 60 senators with a D next to their name, you think we can't even get CLOTURE for at least a public option (not even single payer!)? Well, I guess not when the DNC supports senators who will vote like a Republican just because they have a D next to their name.

[DireStrike]

90. What, standing up for something?

That is all progressives want to see, really.

Oh, you think he's standing up for Obamacare?! I see. Well I guess that's possible, but I don't think he would be doing this if it were just Obamacare.

No, he is standing up for procedure, and the terrible precedent this would set. THAT is what Obama cares about. Always has been. Stability and reason. He doesn't particularly care about passing needed reforms, but will try "his best" before coming to a "reasonable" compromise with the unreasonable republicans (which results in huge losses.)

[CreekDog]

99. You misunderstand. I was criticizing leftstreet, not Obama

Obama's doing exactly the right thing in not negotiating the shutdown or debt ceiling the way the Republicans want to.

Though I support single payer, in its absence, I absolutely support Obamacare's funding and insurance reforms and don't want Obama to give ground on anything Obamacare has set up to appease Republicans.

[Vanje]

27. He's giving them time to step into the trap they cleverly laid for themselves.

He's fighting em.

Halleleiuia !

Go-Bama!

[pffshht]

34. Boehner's cunning plan:

[highprincipleswork]

35. He's doing this.

Combining the humor he does so well at Correspondent's Dinner with commonsense logic with stories of real people and explanations that are simple and clear with soaring rhetoric and with a good dose of being fed-up with shenanigans and wielding a verbal shillelagh, this is an Obama I can support any day of the week.

I believe that all our Democratic politicians have to speak "truth to power" on a continual basis, to make up for piles of B.S. that are larded on in the news and talk-radio and so forth by the other side.

In our case, what we say makes actual sense. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have to be spoken over and over and over again, particularly when the other side says something wrong and foolish.

We actually need to re-educate the brainwashed American people, help so many come to their senses, and know that (as Emerson said) "the human heart resounds to that iron string". Meaning, people know what is right and good and important when they are presented with it.

Great speech, in my opinion. I would like to hear one of these every day, and I would like to come galloping in behind this kind of sentiment, sending those that go against this running for the hills with their tails between their legs.

Gobama!

[leftstreet]

103. Thank you

LOL all I meant was, 'did something happen?'

[Pretzel_Warrior]

108. there's one in every crowd. why the upside down American flag?

If I may ask?

[leftstreet]

113. Ask DU. It's one of the avatar selections

Historically it's a sign of distress. You can read about it online

But if you take your question to Ask the Administrators, which I highly recommend, they may have a different response

[Pretzel_Warrior]

114. no. I know why they had it available and it's history. I am asking YOU

why you choose to use it out of all of the available avatars?

[leftstreet]

115. Are you the avatar police? n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

116. I just said why do you have it, if I may ask

sounds like you don't want to answer. no big deal for me. I just found it odd.

[leftstreet]

117. Because DU offers it

Asked and answered

[ForgoTheConsequence]

2. As much as I criticize....

He's the adult in the room.

[tridim]

4. He has been doing a great job for five and a half years.

Thanks for the support!

[ailsagirl]

111. What you said!!

[JoePhilly]

5. I'll rec this.

[Pholus]

7. Yup. Credit where credit is due!

Seeing the first cracks in their ranks -- hopefully won't be too long now.

[Purveyor]

8. I agree plus the diplomacy with Iran that seems to be materializing... Good Job, indeed! eom

[Skittles]

9. it is like they finally got the message

yes INDEED

[Rex]

23. You know to be fair we need to thank the Heritage Foundation

and Mitt and the state of Massachusetts for parts of the ACA and all their help in making sure this program got to the American people under a Democratic President! You guys! Only under a Dem POTUS could this happen!

TAKE A BOW!



Irony...it is the gene the Tea Party lacks. Along with brain cells.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Manny speaketh the truth!!!

Yeeeehaaawww!!!

K&R

[jsr]

11. Agreed

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.

[bigtree]

13. hey!

. . . this Pro Prez post makes Sense!

[Change has come]

33. lol

[Rex]

14. He is up against Green Eggs and Ham and The Orange Man.

Green Eggs and Orange Ham men? Should have read Fox in Sox instead.

[adirondacker]

36. That sounds so colorful!

[robinlynne]

15. This is what we have been asking for for years. The lack of this is why we criticize Obama.

He should have done this all along.. bush tax cuts. etc.

[joshcryer]

16. And he did the right thing by not allowing it to happen on other ocassions.

This time there's breathing room. Just barely.

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. agree

[Whisp]

18. I think I have to agree with you. K&R

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. k&r

[DevonRex]

21. And when you

do the right thing you deserve recognition and thanks. So I've noted this and thanks, Manny.

[flamingdem]

24. bunch o' cheerleaders here

jus kiddin!

[SwampG8r]

25. thank you manny

this is good
unite du its time

[DEMTough]

26. K&R!

Hopefully he will remember his standing up to them like this, think of how well it went, and be more willing to stand up to those self-serving crazies in Congress in the future.

Because quite frankly, we know they'll pull this crap again, sadly.

I wish the GOP nuts would get over themselves for the sake of the country, and oh, I don't know who, HUMANITY, for once.

[rhett o rick]

29. I agree Manny. Now you can take a load off Manny, take a load for free.

Take a load off Manny and, and, and, put it right on me.

Just sayin.

[backscatter712]

30. It's about time he grew a pair. n/t

[marble falls]

37. amen.

[ScreamingMeemie]

50. +1

Finally acting all Democratic-ish and stuff.

[Pab Sungenis]

62. You rubbed someone the wrong way.

At Fri Oct 4, 2013, 01:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It's about time he grew a pair. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3781431

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Grow a pair=girlish. Anti-progressive, sexist insult directed at POTUS to call him weak to this point.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 4, 2013, 02:00 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Jesus H. Friggin' Christ on a trailer hitch! Seriously? Digging for shit to be offended about? Perhaps the alerter should go find another sandbox to play in.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: HE HAS BEEN WEAK UP UNTIL THIS POINT! And it IS about time he started behaving like this. I'm only hoping he doesn't cave as he has soooooooo many times before. Take this crap back to the BOG and let the rest of us celebrate the President's newly grown spine in our own way.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. Good lord that is well and truly ridiculous.

[Arkana]

70. Wow, Juror #6 sounds pooperpeeved.

[backscatter712]

78. Damn!

[Whisp]

102. He's always had a pair.

Maybe you are comparing yours to his and don't recognize them for being the same thing.

[PrestonLocke]

32. He's kickin ass!

[marble falls]

38. And its about time.

[grantcart]

39. Given your courageous sharing of your personal struggle with your

battle against dissociative disorders would it be harmful to your therapeutic regime in any way to ask

"How many Manny's agree with your OP?"

kicked and rec'd.

[MannyGoldstein]

41. LOL

All

[cliffordu]

63. Well......

Kicked and rekked

[frylock]

40. i'm one of his biggest critics, and i have to agree..

I hope to see more of this in future.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. Damn right. The President is making me proud right now. n/t

[DonCoquixote]

45. perfect

This op does not ask anyone to forget what they want from Obama, nor does it ask them to stop fighting for it, it simply reminds all of us what we NEED, what Obama needs, and to work together until we get it. IMHO, what we need is the GOP to lose, Lose, LOSE

[on point]

46. Yes, but based on his record I am always afraid he will cave at the last moment

just when victory is at hand

[Doctor_J]

48. Sing it, brother Manny! Let's hope he stands tough to the end

Got to make the best of an imperfect situation. Delivering a staggering blow to the far right would be an excellent accomplishment.

[deutsey]

51. I'm happy to support the President as he stands against these morans

100% behind him on this

[myrna minx]

53. I agree. I'm impressed with how he's handling this standoff.

[Zorra]

56. +1 Solidarity nt

[libodem]

57. .

[Egalitarian Thug]

59. K&R&Me too. It's almost hopeful. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

60. I agree and I'm glad to see folks grasp that rolling for a bully just leads to more bullying

It is my hope that the lesson I learned at about five or six will stick, though I fear it is a single issue/situation type deal and when the crisis is navigated many will return to familiar postures and a bizarre desire to meet crazy, radical regressives "in the middle".

[MNBrewer]

69. At the moment, yes, completely agree

The Republicans must be given NOTHING but damage for this shutdown. Otherwise it's like rewarding a kid's tantrum with a toy.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

72. I absolutely agree and desperately hope he continues to stand firm.

[steve2470]

74. I think he's doing awesome

If you factor in the insane intransigent racist Right Wing he's had to deal with since January 2009, I think he's done awesome overall. Not perfect of course, but awesome nonetheless.

[Tippy]

77. HE is doing exactly what he should be doing and doing it for all the right reasons

[msanthrope]

80. Excellent OP. I recc'd it. nt

[Prism]

82. I'm very proud of him right now.

He and the Senate are defending the very nature of our republican form of government against a radical minority that would rather burn it all down than lose.

[DirkGently]

83. Yep. Letting them implode

is the right thing to do.

[Bluenorthwest]

84. Agreed, so far so good, he's got the entire Party behind him as long has he stands strong

The Republicans are looking like the buffoons they are, Obama is looking like that guy who ran for President in 2008.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

109. cheers

[Spirochete]

85. Yes. So far, he has our backs on this one.

Good on him. Hope he stands firm.

[GoneFishin]

89. Agreed. I judge him by his actions. Don't back down from these SOBs, stay strong POTUS.

I hope to see more of this BO soon.

TPP still scares me though.

[bullwinkle428]

94. One of the most unifying threads I've seen here in a long time. K&R.

[Voice for Peace]

96. wow. here is my brain on government shutdown. I read your OP as: "the President's doing a sexy job"

don't know what to think

[Rebellious Republican]

100. Oh hell yes!!!!!! K&R

[B Calm]

101. That's the Obama I voted for!

[The Magistrate]

104. Hear Hear, Sir

And good to hear it from you.

[sheshe2]

105. Thank you Manny

[cristianmarie533]

106. I couldn't agree more with you.

Yes, Obama has disappointed many of us DUers over the past few years on several issues (healthcare reform, the wars, etc). But he's trying to make the best of a very bad situation, so I can't really complain too much. I wish him lots of luck.

[mindwalker_i]

107. And Republicans are doing a good job of handling themselves n/t

[Jester Messiah]

110. Agreed. On this, he's doing a good job. [nt]

[markpkessinger]

112. I very much agree! K&R! n/t

[whatchamacallit]

119. Rec n/t

[JoeyT]

120. Kick and rec. n/t

[Autumn]

122. Here's to ALL Manny's

I agree, Obama is on top of this.

[bvar22]

123. DURec!

STANDING UP and Fighting!
I can heartily support THIS!
NO Compromise with fanatics & extremists!



You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[Mnemosyne]

124. Agree. nt

[obxhead]

126. Damn you and your third way position.

Failure is not an option and caving would be failure.

[Mosaic]

128. Calling your opponents, as severe as these are...

'Grand' as in the establishment weenies' constant yelling, 'grand old party', is not only weak. It reeks of Stockholm syndrome. I hope you get what I'm saying, because I need to write an entire essay on this, many keep up this ridiculous pandering.

Remember they call you a rat, you know what I mean, and you praise them by bending over and making them feel like a king with the damn acronym.

Cut it out! Nothing personal, a general rant against anyone who can't think for themselves. Especially media.