Hey DU: there's NO reason to fear concessions to Republicans now

[MannyGoldstein]

This time, the Republicans got the message. They really, really knew that our Democrats could have crushed them like a chicken bone in a nanny dog's non-locking jaws. We just gave them a little something so they can save face.

Now they will finally respect us, and won't pull the exact same stuff in a few months.

Really.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny
Proud Member... etc.

[daleanime]

1. Arrrrgghhh!!!

[ProSense]

2. Ransom note

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023849381

[Fumesucker]

3. Oderint dum metuant

Let them hate so long as they fear.

[scheming daemons]

4. Fail, Manny. We gave nothing of consequence.

This is pretty clean.

[Fumesucker]

6. Evidently ProSense is on a different page of the hymn book n/t

[scheming daemons]

8. Prosense can speak for herself.... Obviously lots here don't understand the "art of the deal"

You want the other side walking away thinking they got the better end of the deal.


The GOP got nothing of consequence here.

[ProSense]

19. The fact that it's "nothing of consequence" is

why it shouldn't even be considered. It's not the Democrats' job to help Republicans save face.

The Obamacare "income verification" concession is pure bullshit. People's incomes will be verified at tax time. This is just another way for Repbulicans to whine about people gaining access to health care.

I certainly didn't want to see the country default. Still, there should have been a way to get these fuckers to pass clean bills. The only concessions should have been both a temporary debt ceiling increase and government funding.

[Zorra]

24. Yeh we do! There's the traditional Democrat type "New Deal".

And then there's the Third Way, New Democrat type "Raw Deal".

Stern, strong, insincere letters letters are called for.

[ProSense]

18. What does that mean? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Can you believe that the Purity Democrats think the Lankford bill is a disaster for America?

Good thing that you and I know better.

TWM

[senseandsensibility]

5. You're assuming all the Dems want respect

and that none of them want to cut the "big three." I think it's buying time for those of both parties who want to do that.

[Amonester]

9. The more they stoopidly hate Obama

The more moderates turn to support the Dems

[angrychair]

10. NO.WAY.

This is crap. No concessions. No saving face. No nothing. And they will like it. FUCK THE gOP.

[gopiscrap]

11. God I hope you're right

I still say, crush the fuckers...absolutely humiliate them and then gloat about it all over the place!!!

[jazzimov]

12. They're going to try it again, regardless.

The difference is that this is NOT a game. Yes, we could have "crushed" them - but by letting them ruin our country. Democrats could have "won", but there wouldn't have been much left for us to govern.

thank dog there are some adults left......

[Scuba]

13. Yeah, but next time we'll hold firm!

Yeah, that's it.

[sibelian]

14. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

hm.

hm, hm, hm.

[karadax]

15. No Joe Biden = key to holding firm?

The VP was told to take a backseat on this one. It showed that the solidarity in the party is there to stand firm if it's needed. I just hope it doesn't become commonplace for the Dems to keep Joe doing other things. People will notice.

[JoePhilly]

16. So no Social Security cuts this time???

As for what the GOP does next ... they'll create an new crisis of course.

They lost the last debt ceiling fight. They're getting killed in this one. And they'll do it all again next time.

And the media will be slow to notice the pattern.

[MannyGoldstein]

20. You mean, the 22% cut recommended by Obama's hand-picked committee?

Which Obama was OK with?

A Grand Bargaining can certainly still happen.

[JoePhilly]

21. I notice you no longer predict SS cuts.

Strange given how this situation seemed to scream out for such predictions.

Apparently that particular outrage widget has lost its umpf.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Please supply a link to a previous prediction on SS

Other than that Obama would call for cuts. Which he did.

Or that Obama would offer cuts. Which he did.

Predicting individual people isn't so hard - they generally do what they say they will do if they have the ability. Predicting the behavior of groups of people is another story - things get complex quickly.

Good luck!

[JoePhilly]

23. lol ... I love tweaking you on this ... you've been so sure ... for so long ...

... but you can't come out and say it.

Because in reality, you now know its not going to happen.

As for predicting people and groups ... I'll take my chances.

Being right over and over tends to embolden one.

By the way ... my PhD is in Experimental Psych ... so I have a pretty good idea of what kinds of predictions one can (reliably) make about individuals, and of groups.

[MannyGoldstein]

28. So you make stuff up, and are proud of it.

Lovely.

As it happens, two members of my immediate family have PhDs in psych, one in experimental psych I think. Both of them are of the opinion that psychology can tell us little about individuals or groups. They'd like to change that, but the field is not exactly in love with doing hard science.

[bemildred]

17. Nah. This is all they got, they will stick with crazy. nt

[grantcart]

25. Really?

At a time of absolute solidarity you want to try and pick it apart and create division?

This is why mom won't let us have good things.

[BeyondGeography]

26. Yawwwwn

[madrchsod]

27. let them pull the same stunt in a few more months.

they got nothing this time and they won`t get nothing the next time.

[Motown_Johnny]

29. a sarcasm emote would save that OP