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Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:22 AM

 

Obama with Hitler mustache at the 'Stop Watching Us' Rally

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Any "LIBERAL" associating with these people can go fuck themselves.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:50 AM

1. Context matters.

On the one advertising sign, it struck me as a "Hitler" 'stache.

Here, it strikes me as a redo of what I think of as the canonical "Big Brother" poster--man's mustachioed face with no background, "Big Brother" above and "is watching you" below. Googled some images, and they're similar.

Also saw a poster nearly as salient with a non-mustachioed man. And parallel Obama and Bush II posters.

Perhaps seeing that poster in "Being Human" when I watched it on DVD last July made the allusion fresher in my memory. Context matters.

In this case, it's probably a 1984 allusion, "Obama = Big Brother" assertion, using a pre-made poster because they were available and could be repurposed. Of course, no real DUer could ever think that the Obama administration in any way, shape, or form exceeds the limits of what's proper when spying on any citizen of the world.

(Wait. Isn't that the "no true Scotsman" fallacy?)

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:53 AM

2. It is the same picture in this LaRouche poster.

 



This photo is not from today's march, but it is a picture that has appeared at several far-right rallies.

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:01 PM

5. Wow, talk about reaching.

It is clearly intended to be the distinctive toothbrush mustache worn by Hitler.

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:38 PM

28. Hitler wore a very distinctive style of mustache

and that poster appears to be using that style. Sometimes it is what it is and I give no quarter to this type of BS. I agree with the OP.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:57 AM

3. A couple of LaRouche nuts show up at near every rally

What would you have people do?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:07 PM

8. Handle it like Barney Franks did?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:45 PM

69. Absolutely should be handled the way Barney Franks did. The man is a treasure.

I would also suggest that rally organizers give the boot to those carrying such signs -- as Barney said, they are vile and contemptible. You can do this, you know; you can refuse to let certain groups march with you.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #69)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:03 PM

101. If only some DUrs would employ the same level of consideration as Barney Frank.

 

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:18 PM

139. "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with the dinning room table"

LOL! I love Barney Frank!

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:00 PM

4. I won't take any movement seriously that pulls shit like that.

And NO Liberal should, either.

They're making themselves and their movement ridiculous, just like the Teabaggers always do. There's no justification for holding up a Nazi poster like that - even if it's a black guy doing the holding.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:29 PM

20. It's clear that you've never been to a rally

These LaRouche nuts show up at every one. LIBERALS do not take them seriously. But there is nothing that can be done.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:14 PM

55. because Anarchists ARE our Nuts!

 

Libertarians are theirs...

Besides...these are crazy Glenn Beck followers...that should be enough to stop any Liberal from joining!

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:03 PM

6. The same people that accuse Obama of appeasing the right too much

 

are marching side-by-side with these far right assholes, further legitimizing their agenda.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:04 PM

7. Any "LIBERAL" that supports NSA spying on Americans can go fuck themselves.

That's a Police State, what fascists operate.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:08 PM

9. Keep legitimizing the far right agenda of those that organized this sham.

 

That's your right.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:12 PM

16. I'm more bothered by the NSA than a silly poster.

One is a real threat, the other is just an annoyance.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:41 PM

30. Indeed! Licking boots is way more easy. n/t

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:41 PM

31. You can't get much more far right than an NSA-owned and operated Police State.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:15 PM

57. So you are okay with Glenn Beck then?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:29 PM

61. Is that a rhetorical or a leading question?

Either way, your telling example has a right to free speech.

Anything to say about NSA spying or the Police State, VanillaRhapsody?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #61)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:58 PM

73. This is a Glenn Beck sponsored event....care to comment on that?

 

I didn't think so...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #73)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:56 PM

96. Glenn Beck may be sponsoring the part you're interested in, not me.

At least one good DUer is going there and I know for a fact he's not with Glenn Beck.

Who you're with is open to interpretation, VanillaRhapsody.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #96)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:04 PM

102. So if Sarah Palin...Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz were there...you would still support it..good to know

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #102)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:15 PM

107. You're good at putting words in other people's mouths.

Where did I write that?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:42 PM

67. No, Senator, I am not nor ever have been a member of the Communist Party.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:00 PM

75. But I do hang out with Glenn Beck...

 

birds of a feather is a very old saying...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #75)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:01 PM

77. That went right over your head didn't it?

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #77)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:02 PM

79. apparently Glenn Beck went right over yours!

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #79)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:18 PM

84. You nailed it.

 

I, an avowed socialist, am secretly allied with Glenn Beck.

You caught me. It was a brilliant ruse, but your clever detective work has discovered that I, again an avowed socialist, am working with FreedomWorks, the Oathkeepers, Glenn Beck, and Justin Amash to undermine progressivism and bring forth a fascist Nazi Marxist atheist theocratic gold-based Empire.

I mean, sure, it might have seemed downright stupid that a socialist would have been allied with Glenn Beck, but you didn't let that stop you! You took that red pill and uncovered our meticulous plans. Curse the LaRouchian moron that used that stupid Obama-Hitler poster! He gave us all away.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #84)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:34 PM

86. then why are you supporting a Glenn Beck hosted event?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #86)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:42 PM

88. Well, my ruse was that I approach NSA spying entirely differently than Beck

 

And before I was found out, I would've argued that just because Glenn Beck supports something (likely because it involves opposing Obama), it doesn't mean I agree with him or agree on the same premises.

I, for example, could have said that I cherish my civil liberties. Glenn Beck would've said Obama is going to use the NSA to inject white Americans with nanobots to sterilize them and track their every movement.

So both I and Beck would have supported the rally. However, he would have supported it for batshit crazy reasons, and I for completely legitimate concerns.

But if you'll excuse me, I have some nanobots to resist.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #88)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:45 PM

89. so it seems the far left finally meets with the far right....

 

oh and Glenn fucking Beck DOES support it...he advertised it on his show he is one of the hosts........not would DOES!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #89)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:50 PM

90. I'm still not a member of the Communist Party, Senator.

 

Though pulling out the stupid fucking analysis of "far left meets far right" is sure going to convince someone that I am!

Glenn Beck is fucking crazy. He opposes anything Obama does ever. This event is generally in opposition to the NSA under Obama. Therefore, Glenn Beck opposes it.

I'm against the NSA's activities under Obama. Therefore I disagree with him on this issue. I don't oppose everything he does ever.

I don't know if I can dumb it down anymore for you. Being against NSA spying does not mean supporting Glenn Beck.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #90)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:52 PM

93. Your attempts at "dumbing down" or whatever does not mitigate your public embarrassment.

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #93)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:00 PM

99. Your perpetuation of logical fallacies isn't doing you any good.

 

I'm against NSA spying, regardless of who else might be. That's principle.

You, on the other hand...

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #99)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:01 PM

100. So if you have to sell your soul to Satan so be it!

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #89)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:52 PM

92. Funny how the groups that need watched the most are promoting it the loudest.

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #92)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:58 PM

98. I know right....

 

amazing that!

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #84)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:23 PM

123. You must be an oligarh...

 


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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:23 AM

145. Strrange...these people are "far right?"



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Response to Emelina (Reply #145)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:25 PM

157. ?

Question: What is Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: Stop Watching Us is a coalition that came together right after the Snowden leaks began appearing earlier this summer. It's a coalition of more than 100 different organizations and companies from across the political spectrum, it's got everyone from EFF and ACLU to Reddit and Freedom Works.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57609238-83/stop-watching-us-eyes-big-rally-against-nsa-surveillance-q-a/

Billed by organizers as "the largest rally yet to protest mass surveillance", Stop Watching Us was sponsored by an unusually broad coalition of left- and right-wing groups, including everything from the American Civil Liberties Union, the Green Party, Color of Change and Daily Kos to the Libertarian Party, FreedomWorks and Young Americans for Liberty.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-rally-stop-watching-washington-snowden

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:04 PM

51. Nonsense! It's different when WE do it! I, for one, welcome...

 

Our NSA masters. We are fighting them over here so we don't have to fight them over there! AMERICA, love it or leave it! Do you want the TERRORISTS to win!?!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:14 PM

56. So are you supporting Glenn Beck? Cause this is one of his fiascos...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #56)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:36 PM

64. Nice smear.

Coming from you, though, is no big deal.

Did you ever read what Frank Church said about NSA spying?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/277

That OP was seven years ago. There are other, older ones, too - all before you or Beck made the association.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:59 PM

74. You deserve it...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #74)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:54 PM

95. Still, nothing to add about NSA spying.

Not even another opinion?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #95)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:58 PM

97. Would you like to add something in support of Glenn Beck...your new BFF?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #97)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:13 PM

106. You are a seriously disturbed person.

Seek help.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #97)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:17 PM

109. That's a most un-democratic tactic, VanillaRhapsody.

As your words include nothing about the NSA and Police State, you make up words I didn't say.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:57 AM

151. Amen and Amen

I don't give a shit which party is doing it, spying and all Americans is as fascist as it gets. I'm supposed to go applauding Stalin and Brezhnev now for spying on their citizens?

Pfffftttt. Fuck no.

Whether an R or D the government needs to get their fascist faces out of the personal business of the citizens without probable cause and a warrant. You know, like the Constitution demands.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:35 PM

160. Ooopssie! Somebody dropped their script and EarlG was there with the hammer!

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=308371&sub=trans

Imagine that Octafish! It is a repeat troll! I think they are getting desperate, because we will not bend and we will not break.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:08 PM

10. Misleading subject line.

I thought that the President himself had shown up at the rally sporting said 'tache.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:11 PM

14. The English language can be very interestingly

taken in two ways depending on word order. Or in this case, leaving out a word (poster, or drawing, or something describing that).

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:09 PM

11. yawn....

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:10 PM

12. ummm... One fucked up poster in a crowd does not void the protest

Pretty much everyone regardless of politics is against NSA spying... It makes no sense to not want to protest because someone you dislike might show up. Simple foolishness.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:12 PM

17. Well, when some of the featured speakers are teabaggers...

 

And one of the organizers is FREEDOMWORKS...

You know people like this are going to show up.

No self-respecting liberal should be within 50 feet of this scam.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:13 PM

18. Can we set up our own NSA protest 100 feet away?

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:41 PM

33. There are shit loads of groups and people involved

https://rally.stopwatching.us/

You are trying to make it into solely a right wing effort but the truth is, it is very much non-partisan, Other speakers include:


Congressman Justin Amash
Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich
Bruce Schneier, internationally renowned security technologist
Former senior NSA executive and whistleblower Thomas Drake
Indie pop senation YACHT
Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson
Lt. Dan Choi, LGBT advocate and U.S. veteran
Laura Murphy, ACLU
Rainey Reitman, EFF
Craig Aaron, Free Press
Social critic Naomi Wolf
Kymone Freeman, Director of the National Black LUV Fest
Khaliah Barnes, EPIC
Shahid Buttar, Bill of Rights Defense Committee
Malachi Byrd, DC Youth Poetry Slam Team
Wafa Ben Hassine, writer and human rights advocate
NOT4PROPHET, Hip Hop MC and community organizer
Black Alley, DC-based soul-garage band

NSA spying is an issue that concerns everyone and opting out because you don't like everyone is simply stupid.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:48 PM

38. Justin Amash is one of the architects of the government shutdown. nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:52 PM

41. So... You are just going to ignore that there are groups of all stripes involved?

Keep going on about the ones you hate? Keep trying to make this into a right wing protest when it clearly is not?

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:55 PM

43. Now I'm convinced that spying on Americans is OK.

 

Thanks for helping me see the error of my ways, BSB!

(Psst: Many local colleges have courses in basic logic.)

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Response to Wilms (Reply #43)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:59 PM

44. If you really believe these far right groups want to form a constructive coalition with you,

 

you have more to worry about than the NSA.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:04 PM

48. List of groups linked here... Why do you keep ignoring all the liberal groups involved?

https://rally.stopwatching.us/organizations.html

Yes, there are some right wing groups but there are just as many liberal groups... Why are you trying to make this into a right wing thing when it clearly is not?

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:34 PM

63. To dissuade us from protesting the NSA. To stop people from uniting

around a causes.

It's red-baiting under a new banner. And it is disgusting.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #63)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:48 PM

71. Agreed

The denial that this impacts everyone is astounding... Troublesome that anyone would not want to oppose it. I find the implication that one is a right winger to join in a protest against it even more troubling.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:10 PM

82. I'm not interested in forming a coalition with them.

 

And I couldn't care less if they want one with me.

I'm against the NSA violating privacy rights. For others, the issue is Obama, Snowden and Greenwald. I disagree with them.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:21 PM

59. Oh FFS.

 

People can arrive to similar conclusions for entirely different reasons. Just because assholes like FreedomWorks and other RW groups were involved in this doesn't mean the legitimate concerns about the NSA are somehow invalid.

Your entire crusade against this is based solely on a logical fallacy. But since that's the only argument the loyalists can come up with, I guess it's time to play this stupid fucking game again.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:09 PM

81. maybe 10% of Libertarians actually give a shit about NSA spying.

Its just about another place racists and states rights nuts can hide..in order to seem legit..
That Fucking guy holding the Obama Poster, I’ll bet anything can’t tell me a thing about appropriation bills and how they are passed... In other words he’s there because he hates our Muslin President..

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:11 PM

13. LaRouche people

They hang out at post offices around here. They are an invasive species - very hard to get rid of.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:12 PM

15. Without any comments I'd of thought of someone else

 

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And I'll add my own "quip"

Obama to the GOP -

" - - - - - Oh, REALLY?????"



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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:21 PM

19. So the man holding the "impeach" poster

wants to basically have Obama impeached for a program that has not only been occurring for several decades and been repeatedly approved by both parties in Congress, but has been upheld by the courts to be Constitutional? I smell ODS here.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:32 PM

21. That's good advice for anybody at this rally

Liberal or not.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:35 PM

25. True. nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:33 PM

22. Keep trying

We will continue to protest and march against fascism.

The last protest I went to, I saw these guys:



I also saw these guys:



Their presence didn't taint the antiwar effort any more than Libertarians taint the effort to end warrantless spying on American citizens. You need to rethink your "guilt by association" strategy.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:37 PM

26. There's a lot of Koch money behind this rally. nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:06 PM

54. So Mozilla is owned by the Koch brothers?

StopWatching.Us: Mozilla launches massive campaign on digital surveillance

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/06/11/stopwatching-us-mozilla-launches-massive-campaign-on-digital-surveillance/

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:01 PM

78. That just makes my blood boil, the one about dead soldiers, that is.

 

Yes thank YOUR god for those dead soldiers, someday you will be old enough to die for your cause. Go for it, you ignorant poor little child.

In honor of my family, many of whom have served honorably, most decorated, some disabled. And Hey, Guess what, they understand better than you what the price is, to top it off, they are all DIE HARD DEM'S!

On Eidt: How can anyone be thankful for people to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DWrMeBR8W-c#t=8

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:15 PM

108. "Thank God for dead soldiers" comes directly from Westboro/Phelps.

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:34 PM

23. I see one of my favorite group of people from my county showed up

 

Bravo!!!!

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:34 PM

24. Another one.

 



Don't even get me started about the WHITE guy in the giant Obama mask.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:39 PM

65. Told you it was a fucking LaRouche crazy. They did the same thing during the Bush Admin.

They'll do it again during the next administration.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #65)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:52 PM

72. Well, since the crazies show up at every protest...

we should just stop protesting all together!

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:39 PM

29. The OP is what the Xtian Reich does when they take pics at gay pride

They highlight the most "offensive" participants and claim they represent the whole.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:43 PM

34. A large majority of the organizers behind this rally are far right groups.

 

That's why Salon ran an article warning liberals not to attend.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Yet my progressive friends would take the stage with the representatives of this political movement? Why? The loss is much greater than the gain. Organizers trade their own good names and reputations to stand alongside — and convey legitimacy to — a party that opposes communitarian participation in liberal society, and rejects the very role of government itself. And their own argument for privacy is weakened by the pollution of an ideology that uses its few positive civil liberties positions as a predator uses candy with a child.

This is an abandonment of core principles, in my view, out of anger over Edward Snowden’s still-recent revelations about the National Security Agency and its spying activity, particularly domestic access to telephone and online networks and metadata. It represents trading long-held beliefs in social and economic justice for a current hot-button issue that — while clearly of concern to all Americans — doesn’t come close to trumping a host of other issues areas that require “the long game” of electoral politics and organizing. Going “all in” with the libertarian purists is a fatal and unnecessary compromise; reform is clearly needed, but the presence of anti-government laissez-faire wingers at the beating heart of the privacy movement will surely sour the very political actors that movement desperately needs to make actual — and not symbolic, link bait — progress in its fight.


Political change requires choices and compromise, as well as action. If too many young organizers focus entirely on privacy and security and abandon the front lines on crucial economic issues, civil rights and inequality, the rights of workers, criminal justice reform, environmental regulation, and the pursuit social justice, their gains will be too little and society’s loss too great.

Or libertarianism itself will rise, and our loss of liberty will be greater still. That’s because libertarianism is a form of authoritarianism disguised in a narrow slice of civil liberties. In trumpeting the all-knowing, ever wise wonders of the totally free and unencumbered market, it bestows all the power on those with access to capital. You may say we’re there already, but under a pure libertarian system, things would get much worse.


http://www.salon.com/2013/10/21/dont_ally_with_libertarians_ideologues_co_opt_an_anti_nsa_rally/

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:59 PM

45. EFF, ACLU

CREDO Action, Courage to Resist, National Lawyers Guild, PEN, Occupy Wall Street.. And on and on

https://rally.stopwatching.us/organizations.html

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:02 PM

46. CEI, Freedom Works, YAL, Libertarian Party, Students For Liberty...

 

Stop cherry picking.

This is the most disgusting coalition of naivety I've ever seen.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #46)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:04 PM

50. You claimed a large majority with no proof.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:05 PM

53. And then you provided it. nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #53)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:33 PM

62. So, you went through that entire list, did you? To determine left from right, eh?

Of course you didn't.

You prefer to pander in baseless smears rather than fact.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:41 PM

32. Remember Lewis Black's bit about Nazi tourettes?

This is the same thing that moron Glenn Beck does. It's a ridiculous, childish comparison that we shouldn't be using.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:44 PM

35. With apologies to WilliamPitt:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

If this NSA nonsense makes for strange bedfellows, so be it.

Stop trying to tell me I'm allied with Rand Paul, or screwing the president, or assisting Lyndon LaRouche. ...

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:45 PM

36. Outragous

 

Beyond the pale.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:45 PM

37. Oathkeepers also in attendance.

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:51 PM

39. FFS. Oh, just great. They should take their moustache back to Glennbeckistan.



Yes, the Obama = Hitler meme! Toss every progressive and liberal cause under the bus!



STFU, Glenn Beck!


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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:51 PM

40. That would figure

The justifications have already started from supposed Democrats. I agree, these "liberals" can go fuck themselves.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:53 PM

42. If anyone thinks these Koch-funded groups want to form a coalition with them...

 

They have more to worry about than the NSA.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #42)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:17 PM

83. The Third Way Democrats are also Koch-funded

Perhaps we should take care of that little problem in our own party, before worrying about far less powerful groups.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #83)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:51 PM

91. That would require the padded room caucus winning elections.

 

Good luck.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #91)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:00 PM

124. LOL...it also exposes your hypocrisy on this issue

Good luck.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #124)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:08 PM

126. +1

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #124)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:26 PM

133. YEP.

 

Same shit, different day.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:02 PM

47. This Liberal/Glibertarian etc convergence that's going on over this

is more worrying to me than anything the NSA may be up to. And no, that does NOT mean that the NSA should be given a free pass here...

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Response to War Horse (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:05 PM

52. That's my feelings as well, but I keep getting accused of saying that spying on Americans is OK. nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:25 PM

60. I hear you

Accusations seem to be flying wild here, in all directions.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:00 PM

76. Some people...

 

will never learn that people who share a cause aren't always people you want to associate with.

Regardless how they and we feel about the NSA, we're better going it alone.

Never share a rally with assholes and never permit cause-creep.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:04 PM

49. "We are all black people now," says emcee at Stop Watching Us rally.

 

New Left Media @NewLeftMedia

Emcee at @stopwatchingus rally on NSA surveillance: "We are all black people now."


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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:26 PM

116. No, they're all assholes.

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Response to Cha (Reply #116)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:24 PM

156. ...

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:20 PM

58. fact: This NSA spying infuriates left AND right...

A weirdness of signage is inevitable. (and kind of amusing)

AND... could provide some "teachable moments" for the low-information protester!!

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:40 PM

66. RWers adopt a liberal issue to beat up President Obama

Just like on DU

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:06 PM

80. Fortunately, most liberals are smarter than those in attendance.

 

The numbers aren't all that impressive for so many groups to be promoting it.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:54 PM

94. Nailed it...



Sid

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:23 PM

114. ^^ Ding ding ding ding. We have a winner! nt

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:42 PM

68. Give me a break. That's a LaRouche poster.

They go to all sorts of events to "intervene" and present their politics. They go to anti-war demonstrations too. Does that mean that no progressive can go to an antiwar demonstration? Or, perhaps progressives should physically remove them?

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:48 PM

70. The anti-NSA/Obama rallies in Chicago seek to be peimarily LaRouchenuts. nm

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:20 PM

85. I'm against the NSA spying and I am also against the teabaggers at that rally.

 

They're only rallying to protest Obama.

I hate the NSA spying because I value my civil liberties.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:38 PM

87. Integrity

I called for the impeachment of shrub for spying on Americans. I suppose now it is acceptable because: (insert enabling reason here)

Damn if I know anymore. Total and blind support is required to be a real liberal, so I suppose YEAH SPYING!, it's good for us. Yuck. Shower time.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:05 PM

103. I guess we were overdue for a liberal bashing thread.

 

Guess we can't go too long without some hippie punching.

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Response to Rex (Reply #103)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:21 PM

111. So you condone the sign with Pres Obama as "hitler"?

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Response to Cha (Reply #111)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:22 PM

113. Is the person holding the sign a liberal?

 

Yes or no?

EDIT - exactly! you cannot answer because you have no idea Cha! Go ahead and lump liberals into that mess if you want to. The OP is telling in that he picked liberals and not libertarians to bash on a democratic website. Then again, this always happens with some here, it is very typical.

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Response to Rex (Reply #113)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:31 PM

117. My question was whether you condoned it or not. I don't.. no matter

who the fuck he is.

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Response to Cha (Reply #117)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:35 PM

118. Well then you are missing a key ingredient.

 

So it makes no difference to you who is holding the sign, it can be a republican, liberal, libertarian, green party...that detail should matter Cha...but I see it does not.

I don't support anyone running around with a hitler poster or Obama looking like a spy I think it is beyond stupid! BUT unlike YOU, I want to know WHO to be mad at FIRST...before I show my righteous side.

Details do matter...but evidently NOT to the OP.

I think some people have no idea that there is a difference between liberals and libertarians, which is very strange.

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Response to Rex (Reply #118)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:03 PM

155. Pipe down you!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #155)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:32 PM

159. Well I will! But not because you said so.

 

Good news makes me less testy.

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Response to Rex (Reply #103)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:49 PM

121. I noticed this hippie puncher started posting here 2 days after michigandem58 was PPRd.

 

I'm sure it's just a coincidence

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #121)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:52 PM

122. Careful, you know how some are about CTs in GD.

 

They might try and lead you out of here in shackles.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #121)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:17 PM

128. I do miss that guy, TBH.

 

For all the faults he may have had, he sure did post some pretty darn hard-hitting and truthful commentary from The People's View.
Perhaps if he had gone about things in a slightly different matter, he'd still be here today.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #128)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:21 PM

131. So I shouldn't be offended that they are accusing me of being that guy? nt

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #131)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:27 PM

134. Umm.....no, not what I meant.

 

Just to clarify, I do think whoever's doing this is being a jerk; if they didn't like michigandem, that's fine, whatever, but unsubstantiated accusations of sockpuppetry are simply B.S. and should be objected against. Hope that clears things up a little.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Reply #131)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:58 PM

137. You shouldn't be offended one way or another. You have to consider

the source of someone who's trying to brand you as a sock puppet.

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Response to Cha (Reply #137)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:49 PM

152. Turns out I was correct, yet again. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #137)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:42 PM

161. Looks likethe particular fuckhead you're sticking up for isn't around anymore.

 

And no, we don't need to consider the source. We need to consider the source IP.

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Response to Rex (Reply #103)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:20 PM

130. Something tells me they wished they could have

linked to The People's View, but it would have been too obvious.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #130)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:24 PM

132. Just what we need, the Ghost of Spandan on Halloween!

 

TO spew his hate blog.

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Response to Rex (Reply #132)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:54 PM

154. An early Halloween present. EarlG, taking care of business

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Response to Autumn (Reply #154)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:31 PM

158. Thank you!!!

 

By jove I think they are nervous about the Big Tent party being on the same page and behind the POTUS! The 'divide and conquer' tactic is not working like it did before. Not working at all...just like the idiot Tea Party.

The fact that the ACA separates work from your job has them in a tail spin imo! No more boss to lord over you with the threat of reduced hours! Once the ACA site is fixed, I dare say it could morph into a Great Works project the likes of which we have not seen since the days of LBJ.

EarlG swinging the big hammer!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #154)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:56 PM

163. Schweet!

I ♥ DU.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:11 PM

104. What a load of bullshit

brb, never attending any protests because people we disagree with might show up.


What about a liberal who went to that rally, saw that poster, and confronted its owner? Should that liberal go fuck his or herself?

Nonsense. Pure nonsense.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #104)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:26 PM

115. Yeah notice how THAT is not being addressed at all?

 

nt.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #104)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:39 PM

119. What we have here is a loyalist telling liberals to avoid criticizing the NSA.

 

Specifically using the tired old guilt by association fallacy they exhausted during the original Snowden storm.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #119)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:42 PM

120. The protest was held by some RWing wackadoodles.

 

TO assume that liberals flocked their in eagerness to show off their Hitler posters and wear LaRouche t-shirts for the camera - is the pinnacle of dishonest posting.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #119)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:52 PM

162. +1

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:12 PM

105. A very strange mix of people at that thing.

But anywhere President Obama is depicted as Hitler is a place I'd never be. Not a chance. Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but that's way too strange for me. Fuck Ron Paul, his son, Libertarians, LaRouchies and their cohorts, each and every one.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #105)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:18 PM

129. A very strange mix of political ideologies. Race? Not so much.

 

It's a sea of white folk.

If I wanted to see that many white people acting like assholes, I'd head down to my local Walmart.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #105)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:32 PM

141. So, in your world, any unity over an extremely important issue is to be avoided

got it

Divide and Conquer has won. The next decade is going to be interesting for sure.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:19 PM

110. Stupid asshole doesn't know who the fuck hitler was. Just showing off

how gd ignorant they are.

Thanks for pointing this out, Bluegrass

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:21 PM

112. You're welcome.

 

Any protest that glorifies criminals and puts a Hitler stache on our Democratic president is not a place for liberals.

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:06 PM

125. When Bush was in power they had the exact same poster with Bush's pic

Lots of Republican websites had pictures p it to prove that the left had no respect for THEIR president.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:12 PM

127. WOW,

There's still LaRouche nuts out there. I recall arguing with these fools back in the mid-80s. They were at the local post office and had a sign that noted "Mosquitos can cause aids because they can't wear condoms." I stopped and asked, "What in the hell are you talking about?" It turned into a heated exchange. They're still around.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:29 PM

135. There are still unironic LaRouchies in the country?

 

This must be their mating plumage.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:06 PM

138. Who the fuck are you?

And why weren't *you* there.

Many here have explained this shit to you. I get home from this exact rally and find this bullshit?

You can go fuck yourself if you think being in that crowd is associating with those few assholes.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #138)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:25 PM

140. In future please clear with OP before attending any public meeting.

LOL. Pathetic, ain't it?

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:56 PM

142. Let's be honest, it's just another Tea Party event.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #142)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:25 AM

146. So you are saying only Tea Partiers care about the Bill of Rights????

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:12 PM

143. I'm sure a few LaRouchies have gone stealth into PBO rallies just to disrupt...just saying....

It's one thing to be standing 5 yards away holding your own "reform NSA" type sign, and standing right next to this guy being his best buddy holding a similar sign.

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:23 AM

144. ...

 

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:32 AM

147. Good thing Corey Booker's not a liberal

Or someone might be upset with him for working with Rand Paul.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #147)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:42 AM

149. that's like saying it would have been ok to attend a KKK rally because FDR worked with racists

in congress to pass legislation.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #149)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:47 AM

150. I note you didn't disagree with me about Booker

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:53 PM

153. Mixed Nuts

Really, an ugly humonculous that is neither left or right. Jeff Rense anyone?

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Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:56 PM

164. ...says the guy that turns out to be a repeat disruptor!

 

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I would say that I hope this is a learning moment for some here, but this repeat troll will be back and getting all the very same people to rec his threads again. SIGH.

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