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Obama with Hitler mustache at the 'Stop Watching Us' Rally (Original Post) BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 OP
Context matters. Igel Oct 2013 #1
It is the same picture in this LaRouche poster. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #2
Wow, talk about reaching. tritsofme Oct 2013 #5
Hitler wore a very distinctive style of mustache Skidmore Oct 2013 #28
A couple of LaRouche nuts show up at near every rally Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #3
Handle it like Barney Franks did? Brother Buzz Oct 2013 #8
Absolutely should be handled the way Barney Franks did. The man is a treasure. Hekate Oct 2013 #69
If only some DUrs would employ the same level of consideration as Barney Frank. baldguy Oct 2013 #101
"Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with the dinning room table" icymist Oct 2013 #139
I won't take any movement seriously that pulls shit like that. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #4
It's clear that you've never been to a rally Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #20
because Anarchists ARE our Nuts! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #55
The same people that accuse Obama of appeasing the right too much BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #6
Any "LIBERAL" that supports NSA spying on Americans can go fuck themselves. Octafish Oct 2013 #7
Keep legitimizing the far right agenda of those that organized this sham. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #9
I'm more bothered by the NSA than a silly poster. Throd Oct 2013 #16
Indeed! Licking boots is way more easy. n/t Wilms Oct 2013 #30
You can't get much more far right than an NSA-owned and operated Police State. Octafish Oct 2013 #31
So you are okay with Glenn Beck then? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #57
Is that a rhetorical or a leading question? Octafish Oct 2013 #61
This is a Glenn Beck sponsored event....care to comment on that? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #73
Glenn Beck may be sponsoring the part you're interested in, not me. Octafish Oct 2013 #96
So if Sarah Palin...Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz were there...you would still support it..good to know VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #102
You're good at putting words in other people's mouths. Octafish Oct 2013 #107
No, Senator, I am not nor ever have been a member of the Communist Party. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #67
But I do hang out with Glenn Beck... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #75
That went right over your head didn't it? NuclearDem Oct 2013 #77
apparently Glenn Beck went right over yours! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #79
You nailed it. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #84
then why are you supporting a Glenn Beck hosted event? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #86
Well, my ruse was that I approach NSA spying entirely differently than Beck NuclearDem Oct 2013 #88
so it seems the far left finally meets with the far right.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #89
I'm still not a member of the Communist Party, Senator. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #90
Your attempts at "dumbing down" or whatever does not mitigate your public embarrassment. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #93
Your perpetuation of logical fallacies isn't doing you any good. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #99
So if you have to sell your soul to Satan so be it! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #100
Funny how the groups that need watched the most are promoting it the loudest. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #92
I know right.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #98
You must be an oligarh... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #123
Strrange...these people are "far right?" Emelina Oct 2013 #145
? Go Vols Oct 2013 #157
Nonsense! It's different when WE do it! I, for one, welcome... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #51
So are you supporting Glenn Beck? Cause this is one of his fiascos... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #56
Nice smear. Octafish Oct 2013 #64
You deserve it... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #74
Still, nothing to add about NSA spying. Octafish Oct 2013 #95
Would you like to add something in support of Glenn Beck...your new BFF? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #97
You are a seriously disturbed person. Le Taz Hot Oct 2013 #106
That's a most un-democratic tactic, VanillaRhapsody. Octafish Oct 2013 #109
Amen and Amen TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #151
Ooopssie! Somebody dropped their script and EarlG was there with the hammer! Rex Oct 2013 #160
Misleading subject line. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #10
The English language can be very interestingly treestar Oct 2013 #14
yawn.... think Oct 2013 #11
ummm... One fucked up poster in a crowd does not void the protest Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #12
Well, when some of the featured speakers are teabaggers... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #17
Can we set up our own NSA protest 100 feet away? Throd Oct 2013 #18
There are shit loads of groups and people involved Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #33
Justin Amash is one of the architects of the government shutdown. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #38
So... You are just going to ignore that there are groups of all stripes involved? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #41
Now I'm convinced that spying on Americans is OK. Wilms Oct 2013 #43
If you really believe these far right groups want to form a constructive coalition with you, BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #44
List of groups linked here... Why do you keep ignoring all the liberal groups involved? Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #48
To dissuade us from protesting the NSA. To stop people from uniting Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #63
Agreed Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #71
I'm not interested in forming a coalition with them. Wilms Oct 2013 #82
Oh FFS. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #59
maybe 10% of Libertarians actually give a shit about NSA spying. busterbrown Oct 2013 #81
LaRouche people KT2000 Oct 2013 #13
Without any comments I'd of thought of someone else ConcernedCanuk Oct 2013 #15
So the man holding the "impeach" poster Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #19
That's good advice for anybody at this rally fadedrose Oct 2013 #21
True. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #25
Keep trying Oilwellian Oct 2013 #22
There's a lot of Koch money behind this rally. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #26
So Mozilla is owned by the Koch brothers? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #54
That just makes my blood boil, the one about dead soldiers, that is. Thucydides Oct 2013 #78
"Thank God for dead soldiers" comes directly from Westboro/Phelps. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #108
I see one of my favorite group of people from my county showed up nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #23
Another one. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #24
Told you it was a fucking LaRouche crazy. They did the same thing during the Bush Admin. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #65
Well, since the crazies show up at every protest... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #27
The OP is what the Xtian Reich does when they take pics at gay pride Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #29
A large majority of the organizers behind this rally are far right groups. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #34
EFF, ACLU Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #45
CEI, Freedom Works, YAL, Libertarian Party, Students For Liberty... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #46
You claimed a large majority with no proof. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #50
And then you provided it. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #53
So, you went through that entire list, did you? To determine left from right, eh? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #62
Remember Lewis Black's bit about Nazi tourettes? Initech Oct 2013 #32
With apologies to WilliamPitt: jsr Oct 2013 #35
Outragous Savannahmann Oct 2013 #36
Oathkeepers also in attendance. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #37
FFS. Oh, just great. They should take their moustache back to Glennbeckistan. freshwest Oct 2013 #39
That would figure Progressive dog Oct 2013 #40
If anyone thinks these Koch-funded groups want to form a coalition with them... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #42
The Third Way Democrats are also Koch-funded Oilwellian Oct 2013 #83
That would require the padded room caucus winning elections. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #91
LOL...it also exposes your hypocrisy on this issue Oilwellian Oct 2013 #124
+1 Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #126
YEP. Rex Oct 2013 #133
This Liberal/Glibertarian etc convergence that's going on over this War Horse Oct 2013 #47
That's my feelings as well, but I keep getting accused of saying that spying on Americans is OK. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #52
I hear you War Horse Oct 2013 #60
Some people... Chan790 Oct 2013 #76
"We are all black people now," says emcee at Stop Watching Us rally. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #49
No, they're all assholes. Cha Oct 2013 #116
... Scurrilous Oct 2013 #156
fact: This NSA spying infuriates left AND right... annabanana Oct 2013 #58
RWers adopt a liberal issue to beat up President Obama Kolesar Oct 2013 #66
Fortunately, most liberals are smarter than those in attendance. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #80
Nailed it... SidDithers Oct 2013 #94
^^ Ding ding ding ding. We have a winner! nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #114
Give me a break. That's a LaRouche poster. David__77 Oct 2013 #68
The anti-NSA/Obama rallies in Chicago seek to be peimarily LaRouchenuts. nm SamYeager Oct 2013 #70
I'm against the NSA spying and I am also against the teabaggers at that rally. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #85
Integrity MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #87
I guess we were overdue for a liberal bashing thread. Rex Oct 2013 #103
So you condone the sign with Pres Obama as "hitler"? Cha Oct 2013 #111
Is the person holding the sign a liberal? Rex Oct 2013 #113
My question was whether you condoned it or not. I don't.. no matter Cha Oct 2013 #117
Well then you are missing a key ingredient. Rex Oct 2013 #118
Pipe down you! zappaman Oct 2013 #155
Well I will! But not because you said so. Rex Oct 2013 #159
I noticed this hippie puncher started posting here 2 days after michigandem58 was PPRd. Electric Monk Oct 2013 #121
Careful, you know how some are about CTs in GD. Rex Oct 2013 #122
I do miss that guy, TBH. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #128
So I shouldn't be offended that they are accusing me of being that guy? nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #131
Umm.....no, not what I meant. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #134
You shouldn't be offended one way or another. You have to consider Cha Oct 2013 #137
Turns out I was correct, yet again. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Electric Monk Oct 2013 #152
Looks likethe particular fuckhead you're sticking up for isn't around anymore. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #161
Something tells me they wished they could have Union Scribe Oct 2013 #130
Just what we need, the Ghost of Spandan on Halloween! Rex Oct 2013 #132
An early Halloween present. EarlG, taking care of business Autumn Oct 2013 #154
Thank you!!! Rex Oct 2013 #158
Schweet! WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2013 #163
What a load of bullshit RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #104
Yeah notice how THAT is not being addressed at all? Rex Oct 2013 #115
What we have here is a loyalist telling liberals to avoid criticizing the NSA. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #119
The protest was held by some RWing wackadoodles. Rex Oct 2013 #120
+1 Marr Oct 2013 #162
A very strange mix of people at that thing. MineralMan Oct 2013 #105
A very strange mix of political ideologies. Race? Not so much. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #129
So, in your world, any unity over an extremely important issue is to be avoided solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #141
How about Corey Booker? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #148
Stupid asshole doesn't know who the fuck hitler was. Just showing off Cha Oct 2013 #110
You're welcome. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #112
When Bush was in power they had the exact same poster with Bush's pic Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #125
WOW, JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #127
There are still unironic LaRouchies in the country? Scootaloo Oct 2013 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Oct 2013 #136
Who the fuck are you? hootinholler Oct 2013 #138
In future please clear with OP before attending any public meeting. jsr Oct 2013 #140
Let's be honest, it's just another Tea Party event. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #142
So you are saying only Tea Partiers care about the Bill of Rights???? Emelina Oct 2013 #146
I'm sure a few LaRouchies have gone stealth into PBO rallies just to disrupt...just saying.... steve2470 Oct 2013 #143
... Rex Oct 2013 #144
Good thing Corey Booker's not a liberal Fumesucker Oct 2013 #147
that's like saying it would have been ok to attend a KKK rally because FDR worked with racists JI7 Oct 2013 #149
I note you didn't disagree with me about Booker Fumesucker Oct 2013 #150
Mixed Nuts Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #153
...says the guy that turns out to be a repeat disruptor! Rex Oct 2013 #164

Igel

(35,268 posts)
1. Context matters.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:50 PM
Oct 2013

On the one advertising sign, it struck me as a "Hitler" 'stache.

Here, it strikes me as a redo of what I think of as the canonical "Big Brother" poster--man's mustachioed face with no background, "Big Brother" above and "is watching you" below. Googled some images, and they're similar.

Also saw a poster nearly as salient with a non-mustachioed man. And parallel Obama and Bush II posters.

Perhaps seeing that poster in "Being Human" when I watched it on DVD last July made the allusion fresher in my memory. Context matters.

In this case, it's probably a 1984 allusion, "Obama = Big Brother" assertion, using a pre-made poster because they were available and could be repurposed. Of course, no real DUer could ever think that the Obama administration in any way, shape, or form exceeds the limits of what's proper when spying on any citizen of the world.

(Wait. Isn't that the "no true Scotsman" fallacy?)

 
2. It is the same picture in this LaRouche poster.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:53 PM
Oct 2013


This photo is not from today's march, but it is a picture that has appeared at several far-right rallies.

tritsofme

(17,363 posts)
5. Wow, talk about reaching.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:01 PM
Oct 2013

It is clearly intended to be the distinctive toothbrush mustache worn by Hitler.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
28. Hitler wore a very distinctive style of mustache
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:38 PM
Oct 2013

and that poster appears to be using that style. Sometimes it is what it is and I give no quarter to this type of BS. I agree with the OP.

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
69. Absolutely should be handled the way Barney Franks did. The man is a treasure.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:45 PM
Oct 2013

I would also suggest that rally organizers give the boot to those carrying such signs -- as Barney said, they are vile and contemptible. You can do this, you know; you can refuse to let certain groups march with you.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
139. "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with the dinning room table"
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:18 PM
Oct 2013

LOL! I love Barney Frank!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
4. I won't take any movement seriously that pulls shit like that.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:00 PM
Oct 2013

And NO Liberal should, either.

They're making themselves and their movement ridiculous, just like the Teabaggers always do. There's no justification for holding up a Nazi poster like that - even if it's a black guy doing the holding.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
20. It's clear that you've never been to a rally
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:29 PM
Oct 2013

These LaRouche nuts show up at every one. LIBERALS do not take them seriously. But there is nothing that can be done.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
55. because Anarchists ARE our Nuts!
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:14 PM
Oct 2013

Libertarians are theirs...

Besides...these are crazy Glenn Beck followers...that should be enough to stop any Liberal from joining!

 
6. The same people that accuse Obama of appeasing the right too much
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:03 PM
Oct 2013

are marching side-by-side with these far right assholes, further legitimizing their agenda.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
16. I'm more bothered by the NSA than a silly poster.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

One is a real threat, the other is just an annoyance.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
61. Is that a rhetorical or a leading question?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:29 PM
Oct 2013

Either way, your telling example has a right to free speech.

Anything to say about NSA spying or the Police State, VanillaRhapsody?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
96. Glenn Beck may be sponsoring the part you're interested in, not me.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:56 PM
Oct 2013

At least one good DUer is going there and I know for a fact he's not with Glenn Beck.

Who you're with is open to interpretation, VanillaRhapsody.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
102. So if Sarah Palin...Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz were there...you would still support it..good to know
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:04 PM
Oct 2013
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
84. You nailed it.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:18 PM
Oct 2013

I, an avowed socialist, am secretly allied with Glenn Beck.

You caught me. It was a brilliant ruse, but your clever detective work has discovered that I, again an avowed socialist, am working with FreedomWorks, the Oathkeepers, Glenn Beck, and Justin Amash to undermine progressivism and bring forth a fascist Nazi Marxist atheist theocratic gold-based Empire.

I mean, sure, it might have seemed downright stupid that a socialist would have been allied with Glenn Beck, but you didn't let that stop you! You took that red pill and uncovered our meticulous plans. Curse the LaRouchian moron that used that stupid Obama-Hitler poster! He gave us all away.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
88. Well, my ruse was that I approach NSA spying entirely differently than Beck
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:42 PM
Oct 2013

And before I was found out, I would've argued that just because Glenn Beck supports something (likely because it involves opposing Obama), it doesn't mean I agree with him or agree on the same premises.

I, for example, could have said that I cherish my civil liberties. Glenn Beck would've said Obama is going to use the NSA to inject white Americans with nanobots to sterilize them and track their every movement.

So both I and Beck would have supported the rally. However, he would have supported it for batshit crazy reasons, and I for completely legitimate concerns.

But if you'll excuse me, I have some nanobots to resist.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
89. so it seems the far left finally meets with the far right....
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:45 PM
Oct 2013

oh and Glenn fucking Beck DOES support it...he advertised it on his show he is one of the hosts........not would DOES!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
90. I'm still not a member of the Communist Party, Senator.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:50 PM
Oct 2013

Though pulling out the stupid fucking analysis of "far left meets far right" is sure going to convince someone that I am!

Glenn Beck is fucking crazy. He opposes anything Obama does ever. This event is generally in opposition to the NSA under Obama. Therefore, Glenn Beck opposes it.

I'm against the NSA's activities under Obama. Therefore I disagree with him on this issue. I don't oppose everything he does ever.

I don't know if I can dumb it down anymore for you. Being against NSA spying does not mean supporting Glenn Beck.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
99. Your perpetuation of logical fallacies isn't doing you any good.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:00 PM
Oct 2013

I'm against NSA spying, regardless of who else might be. That's principle.

You, on the other hand...

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
157. ?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
Oct 2013
Question: What is Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: Stop Watching Us is a coalition that came together right after the Snowden leaks began appearing earlier this summer. It's a coalition of more than 100 different organizations and companies from across the political spectrum, it's got everyone from EFF and ACLU to Reddit and Freedom Works.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57609238-83/stop-watching-us-eyes-big-rally-against-nsa-surveillance-q-a/

Billed by organizers as "the largest rally yet to protest mass surveillance", Stop Watching Us was sponsored by an unusually broad coalition of left- and right-wing groups, including everything from the American Civil Liberties Union, the Green Party, Color of Change and Daily Kos to the Libertarian Party, FreedomWorks and Young Americans for Liberty.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-rally-stop-watching-washington-snowden
 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
51. Nonsense! It's different when WE do it! I, for one, welcome...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013

Our NSA masters. We are fighting them over here so we don't have to fight them over there! AMERICA, love it or leave it! Do you want the TERRORISTS to win!?!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. Nice smear.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:36 PM
Oct 2013

Coming from you, though, is no big deal.

Did you ever read what Frank Church said about NSA spying?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Octafish/277

That OP was seven years ago. There are other, older ones, too - all before you or Beck made the association.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
109. That's a most un-democratic tactic, VanillaRhapsody.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

As your words include nothing about the NSA and Police State, you make up words I didn't say.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
151. Amen and Amen
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 05:57 AM
Oct 2013

I don't give a shit which party is doing it, spying and all Americans is as fascist as it gets. I'm supposed to go applauding Stalin and Brezhnev now for spying on their citizens?

Pfffftttt. Fuck no.

Whether an R or D the government needs to get their fascist faces out of the personal business of the citizens without probable cause and a warrant. You know, like the Constitution demands.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
160. Ooopssie! Somebody dropped their script and EarlG was there with the hammer!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:35 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=308371&sub=trans

Imagine that Octafish! It is a repeat troll! I think they are getting desperate, because we will not bend and we will not break.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Misleading subject line.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:08 PM
Oct 2013

I thought that the President himself had shown up at the rally sporting said 'tache.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. The English language can be very interestingly
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

taken in two ways depending on word order. Or in this case, leaving out a word (poster, or drawing, or something describing that).

Ohio Joe

(21,722 posts)
12. ummm... One fucked up poster in a crowd does not void the protest
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:10 PM
Oct 2013

Pretty much everyone regardless of politics is against NSA spying... It makes no sense to not want to protest because someone you dislike might show up. Simple foolishness.

 
17. Well, when some of the featured speakers are teabaggers...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

And one of the organizers is FREEDOMWORKS...

You know people like this are going to show up.

No self-respecting liberal should be within 50 feet of this scam.

Ohio Joe

(21,722 posts)
33. There are shit loads of groups and people involved
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013
https://rally.stopwatching.us/

You are trying to make it into solely a right wing effort but the truth is, it is very much non-partisan, Other speakers include:


Congressman Justin Amash
Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich
Bruce Schneier, internationally renowned security technologist
Former senior NSA executive and whistleblower Thomas Drake
Indie pop senation YACHT
Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson
Lt. Dan Choi, LGBT advocate and U.S. veteran
Laura Murphy, ACLU
Rainey Reitman, EFF
Craig Aaron, Free Press
Social critic Naomi Wolf
Kymone Freeman, Director of the National Black LUV Fest
Khaliah Barnes, EPIC
Shahid Buttar, Bill of Rights Defense Committee
Malachi Byrd, DC Youth Poetry Slam Team
Wafa Ben Hassine, writer and human rights advocate
NOT4PROPHET, Hip Hop MC and community organizer
Black Alley, DC-based soul-garage band

NSA spying is an issue that concerns everyone and opting out because you don't like everyone is simply stupid.

Ohio Joe

(21,722 posts)
41. So... You are just going to ignore that there are groups of all stripes involved?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:52 PM
Oct 2013

Keep going on about the ones you hate? Keep trying to make this into a right wing protest when it clearly is not?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
43. Now I'm convinced that spying on Americans is OK.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:55 PM
Oct 2013

Thanks for helping me see the error of my ways, BSB!

(Psst: Many local colleges have courses in basic logic.)

 
44. If you really believe these far right groups want to form a constructive coalition with you,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:59 PM
Oct 2013

you have more to worry about than the NSA.

Ohio Joe

(21,722 posts)
48. List of groups linked here... Why do you keep ignoring all the liberal groups involved?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013
https://rally.stopwatching.us/organizations.html

Yes, there are some right wing groups but there are just as many liberal groups... Why are you trying to make this into a right wing thing when it clearly is not?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
63. To dissuade us from protesting the NSA. To stop people from uniting
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:34 PM
Oct 2013

around a causes.

It's red-baiting under a new banner. And it is disgusting.

Ohio Joe

(21,722 posts)
71. Agreed
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013

The denial that this impacts everyone is astounding... Troublesome that anyone would not want to oppose it. I find the implication that one is a right winger to join in a protest against it even more troubling.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
82. I'm not interested in forming a coalition with them.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:10 PM
Oct 2013

And I couldn't care less if they want one with me.

I'm against the NSA violating privacy rights. For others, the issue is Obama, Snowden and Greenwald. I disagree with them.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
59. Oh FFS.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:21 PM
Oct 2013

People can arrive to similar conclusions for entirely different reasons. Just because assholes like FreedomWorks and other RW groups were involved in this doesn't mean the legitimate concerns about the NSA are somehow invalid.

Your entire crusade against this is based solely on a logical fallacy. But since that's the only argument the loyalists can come up with, I guess it's time to play this stupid fucking game again.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
81. maybe 10% of Libertarians actually give a shit about NSA spying.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:09 PM
Oct 2013

Its just about another place racists and states rights nuts can hide..in order to seem legit..
That Fucking guy holding the Obama Poster, I’ll bet anything can’t tell me a thing about appropriation bills and how they are passed... In other words he’s there because he hates our Muslin President..

KT2000

(20,563 posts)
13. LaRouche people
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

They hang out at post offices around here. They are an invasive species - very hard to get rid of.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
15. Without any comments I'd of thought of someone else
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

.
.
.

And I'll add my own "quip"

Obama to the GOP -

" - - - - - Oh, REALLY?????"



CC

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
19. So the man holding the "impeach" poster
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:21 PM
Oct 2013

wants to basically have Obama impeached for a program that has not only been occurring for several decades and been repeatedly approved by both parties in Congress, but has been upheld by the courts to be Constitutional? I smell ODS here.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
22. Keep trying
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:33 PM
Oct 2013

We will continue to protest and march against fascism.

The last protest I went to, I saw these guys:



I also saw these guys:



Their presence didn't taint the antiwar effort any more than Libertarians taint the effort to end warrantless spying on American citizens. You need to rethink your "guilt by association" strategy.

 

Thucydides

(212 posts)
78. That just makes my blood boil, the one about dead soldiers, that is.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:01 PM
Oct 2013

Yes thank YOUR god for those dead soldiers, someday you will be old enough to die for your cause. Go for it, you ignorant poor little child.

In honor of my family, many of whom have served honorably, most decorated, some disabled. And Hey, Guess what, they understand better than you what the price is, to top it off, they are all DIE HARD DEM'S!

On Eidt: How can anyone be thankful for people to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DWrMeBR8W-c#t=8

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
65. Told you it was a fucking LaRouche crazy. They did the same thing during the Bush Admin.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:39 PM
Oct 2013

They'll do it again during the next administration.

Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
29. The OP is what the Xtian Reich does when they take pics at gay pride
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:39 PM
Oct 2013

They highlight the most "offensive" participants and claim they represent the whole.

 
34. A large majority of the organizers behind this rally are far right groups.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

That's why Salon ran an article warning liberals not to attend.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Yet my progressive friends would take the stage with the representatives of this political movement? Why? The loss is much greater than the gain. Organizers trade their own good names and reputations to stand alongside — and convey legitimacy to — a party that opposes communitarian participation in liberal society, and rejects the very role of government itself. And their own argument for privacy is weakened by the pollution of an ideology that uses its few positive civil liberties positions as a predator uses candy with a child.

This is an abandonment of core principles, in my view, out of anger over Edward Snowden’s still-recent revelations about the National Security Agency and its spying activity, particularly domestic access to telephone and online networks and metadata. It represents trading long-held beliefs in social and economic justice for a current hot-button issue that — while clearly of concern to all Americans — doesn’t come close to trumping a host of other issues areas that require “the long game” of electoral politics and organizing. Going “all in” with the libertarian purists is a fatal and unnecessary compromise; reform is clearly needed, but the presence of anti-government laissez-faire wingers at the beating heart of the privacy movement will surely sour the very political actors that movement desperately needs to make actual — and not symbolic, link bait — progress in its fight.


Political change requires choices and compromise, as well as action. If too many young organizers focus entirely on privacy and security and abandon the front lines on crucial economic issues, civil rights and inequality, the rights of workers, criminal justice reform, environmental regulation, and the pursuit social justice, their gains will be too little and society’s loss too great.

Or libertarianism itself will rise, and our loss of liberty will be greater still. That’s because libertarianism is a form of authoritarianism disguised in a narrow slice of civil liberties. In trumpeting the all-knowing, ever wise wonders of the totally free and unencumbered market, it bestows all the power on those with access to capital. You may say we’re there already, but under a pure libertarian system, things would get much worse.


http://www.salon.com/2013/10/21/dont_ally_with_libertarians_ideologues_co_opt_an_anti_nsa_rally/
 
46. CEI, Freedom Works, YAL, Libertarian Party, Students For Liberty...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:02 PM
Oct 2013

Stop cherry picking.

This is the most disgusting coalition of naivety I've ever seen.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
62. So, you went through that entire list, did you? To determine left from right, eh?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:33 PM
Oct 2013

Of course you didn't.

You prefer to pander in baseless smears rather than fact.

Initech

(100,013 posts)
32. Remember Lewis Black's bit about Nazi tourettes?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

This is the same thing that moron Glenn Beck does. It's a ridiculous, childish comparison that we shouldn't be using.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
35. With apologies to WilliamPitt:
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023602944

If this NSA nonsense makes for strange bedfellows, so be it.

Stop trying to tell me I'm allied with Rand Paul, or screwing the president, or assisting Lyndon LaRouche. ...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
39. FFS. Oh, just great. They should take their moustache back to Glennbeckistan.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:51 PM
Oct 2013


Yes, the Obama = Hitler meme! Toss every progressive and liberal cause under the bus!



STFU, Glenn Beck!


Progressive dog

(6,898 posts)
40. That would figure
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:51 PM
Oct 2013

The justifications have already started from supposed Democrats. I agree, these "liberals" can go fuck themselves.

 
42. If anyone thinks these Koch-funded groups want to form a coalition with them...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:53 PM
Oct 2013

They have more to worry about than the NSA.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
83. The Third Way Democrats are also Koch-funded
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
Oct 2013

Perhaps we should take care of that little problem in our own party, before worrying about far less powerful groups.

War Horse

(931 posts)
47. This Liberal/Glibertarian etc convergence that's going on over this
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:02 PM
Oct 2013

is more worrying to me than anything the NSA may be up to. And no, that does NOT mean that the NSA should be given a free pass here...

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
76. Some people...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:00 PM
Oct 2013

will never learn that people who share a cause aren't always people you want to associate with.

Regardless how they and we feel about the NSA, we're better going it alone.

Never share a rally with assholes and never permit cause-creep.

 
49. "We are all black people now," says emcee at Stop Watching Us rally.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013
New Left Media @NewLeftMedia

Emcee at @stopwatchingus rally on NSA surveillance: "We are all black people now."


annabanana

(52,791 posts)
58. fact: This NSA spying infuriates left AND right...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:20 PM
Oct 2013

A weirdness of signage is inevitable. (and kind of amusing)

AND... could provide some "teachable moments" for the low-information protester!!

 
80. Fortunately, most liberals are smarter than those in attendance.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:06 PM
Oct 2013

The numbers aren't all that impressive for so many groups to be promoting it.

David__77

(23,311 posts)
68. Give me a break. That's a LaRouche poster.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:42 PM
Oct 2013

They go to all sorts of events to "intervene" and present their politics. They go to anti-war demonstrations too. Does that mean that no progressive can go to an antiwar demonstration? Or, perhaps progressives should physically remove them?

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
85. I'm against the NSA spying and I am also against the teabaggers at that rally.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:20 PM
Oct 2013

They're only rallying to protest Obama.

I hate the NSA spying because I value my civil liberties.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
87. Integrity
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:38 PM
Oct 2013

I called for the impeachment of shrub for spying on Americans. I suppose now it is acceptable because: (insert enabling reason here)

Damn if I know anymore. Total and blind support is required to be a real liberal, so I suppose YEAH SPYING!, it's good for us. Yuck. Shower time.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
103. I guess we were overdue for a liberal bashing thread.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:05 PM
Oct 2013

Guess we can't go too long without some hippie punching.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
113. Is the person holding the sign a liberal?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:22 PM
Oct 2013

Yes or no?

EDIT - exactly! you cannot answer because you have no idea Cha! Go ahead and lump liberals into that mess if you want to. The OP is telling in that he picked liberals and not libertarians to bash on a democratic website. Then again, this always happens with some here, it is very typical.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
118. Well then you are missing a key ingredient.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:35 PM
Oct 2013

So it makes no difference to you who is holding the sign, it can be a republican, liberal, libertarian, green party...that detail should matter Cha...but I see it does not.

I don't support anyone running around with a hitler poster or Obama looking like a spy I think it is beyond stupid! BUT unlike YOU, I want to know WHO to be mad at FIRST...before I show my righteous side.

Details do matter...but evidently NOT to the OP.

I think some people have no idea that there is a difference between liberals and libertarians, which is very strange.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
121. I noticed this hippie puncher started posting here 2 days after michigandem58 was PPRd.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:49 PM
Oct 2013

I'm sure it's just a coincidence

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
122. Careful, you know how some are about CTs in GD.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

They might try and lead you out of here in shackles.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
128. I do miss that guy, TBH.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:17 PM
Oct 2013

For all the faults he may have had, he sure did post some pretty darn hard-hitting and truthful commentary from The People's View.
Perhaps if he had gone about things in a slightly different matter, he'd still be here today.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
134. Umm.....no, not what I meant.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

Just to clarify, I do think whoever's doing this is being a jerk; if they didn't like michigandem, that's fine, whatever, but unsubstantiated accusations of sockpuppetry are simply B.S. and should be objected against. Hope that clears things up a little.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
137. You shouldn't be offended one way or another. You have to consider
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:58 PM
Oct 2013

the source of someone who's trying to brand you as a sock puppet.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
161. Looks likethe particular fuckhead you're sticking up for isn't around anymore.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

And no, we don't need to consider the source. We need to consider the source IP.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
130. Something tells me they wished they could have
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:20 PM
Oct 2013

linked to The People's View, but it would have been too obvious.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
158. Thank you!!!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:31 PM
Oct 2013

By jove I think they are nervous about the Big Tent party being on the same page and behind the POTUS! The 'divide and conquer' tactic is not working like it did before. Not working at all...just like the idiot Tea Party.

The fact that the ACA separates work from your job has them in a tail spin imo! No more boss to lord over you with the threat of reduced hours! Once the ACA site is fixed, I dare say it could morph into a Great Works project the likes of which we have not seen since the days of LBJ.

EarlG swinging the big hammer!

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
104. What a load of bullshit
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:11 PM
Oct 2013

brb, never attending any protests because people we disagree with might show up.


What about a liberal who went to that rally, saw that poster, and confronted its owner? Should that liberal go fuck his or herself?

Nonsense. Pure nonsense.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
119. What we have here is a loyalist telling liberals to avoid criticizing the NSA.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:39 PM
Oct 2013

Specifically using the tired old guilt by association fallacy they exhausted during the original Snowden storm.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
120. The protest was held by some RWing wackadoodles.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

TO assume that liberals flocked their in eagerness to show off their Hitler posters and wear LaRouche t-shirts for the camera - is the pinnacle of dishonest posting.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
105. A very strange mix of people at that thing.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:12 PM
Oct 2013

But anywhere President Obama is depicted as Hitler is a place I'd never be. Not a chance. Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but that's way too strange for me. Fuck Ron Paul, his son, Libertarians, LaRouchies and their cohorts, each and every one.

 
129. A very strange mix of political ideologies. Race? Not so much.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oct 2013

It's a sea of white folk.

If I wanted to see that many white people acting like assholes, I'd head down to my local Walmart.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
141. So, in your world, any unity over an extremely important issue is to be avoided
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

got it

Divide and Conquer has won. The next decade is going to be interesting for sure.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

Cha

(296,679 posts)
110. Stupid asshole doesn't know who the fuck hitler was. Just showing off
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:19 PM
Oct 2013

how gd ignorant they are.

Thanks for pointing this out, Bluegrass

 
112. You're welcome.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:21 PM
Oct 2013

Any protest that glorifies criminals and puts a Hitler stache on our Democratic president is not a place for liberals.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
125. When Bush was in power they had the exact same poster with Bush's pic
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:06 PM
Oct 2013

Lots of Republican websites had pictures p it to prove that the left had no respect for THEIR president.

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
127. WOW,
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:12 PM
Oct 2013

There's still LaRouche nuts out there. I recall arguing with these fools back in the mid-80s. They were at the local post office and had a sign that noted "Mosquitos can cause aids because they can't wear condoms." I stopped and asked, "What in the hell are you talking about?" It turned into a heated exchange. They're still around.

Response to BluegrassStateBlues (Original post)

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
138. Who the fuck are you?
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 08:06 PM
Oct 2013

And why weren't *you* there.

Many here have explained this shit to you. I get home from this exact rally and find this bullshit?

You can go fuck yourself if you think being in that crowd is associating with those few assholes.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
143. I'm sure a few LaRouchies have gone stealth into PBO rallies just to disrupt...just saying....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:12 PM
Oct 2013

It's one thing to be standing 5 yards away holding your own "reform NSA" type sign, and standing right next to this guy being his best buddy holding a similar sign.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
149. that's like saying it would have been ok to attend a KKK rally because FDR worked with racists
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 05:42 AM
Oct 2013

in congress to pass legislation.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
164. ...says the guy that turns out to be a repeat disruptor!
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:56 PM
Oct 2013

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