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Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:39 AM

 

Terry McAuliffe, on his "F" rating from the NRA

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Reply Terry McAuliffe, on his "F" rating from the NRA (Original post)
Scuba Oct 2013 OP
aikoaiko Oct 2013 #1
madokie Oct 2013 #2
Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #3
AAO Oct 2013 #14
LibGranny Oct 2013 #30
TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #4
kydo Oct 2013 #5
Hoyt Oct 2013 #6
spanone Oct 2013 #7
hack89 Oct 2013 #8
Paladin Oct 2013 #9
Arkana Oct 2013 #10
Scuba Oct 2013 #12
AAO Oct 2013 #15
Arkana Oct 2013 #33
Scuba Oct 2013 #34
Arkana Oct 2013 #36
Scuba Oct 2013 #40
Arkana Oct 2013 #42
Heather MC Oct 2013 #11
AAO Oct 2013 #16
Heather MC Oct 2013 #17
AAO Oct 2013 #18
Heather MC Oct 2013 #20
AAO Oct 2013 #21
Heather MC Oct 2013 #22
AAO Oct 2013 #23
GatorOrange Oct 2013 #13
krispos42 Oct 2013 #19
Buns_of_Fire Oct 2013 #24
billh58 Oct 2013 #25
AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #28
krispos42 Oct 2013 #38
AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #39
The_Counsel Oct 2013 #37
Hoyt Oct 2013 #41
Buns_of_Fire Oct 2013 #26
Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2013 #27
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #29
Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #31
JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #32
JBoy Oct 2013 #35

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:44 AM

1. After the Virginia Tech shooting, the NRA and Democrats worked together well


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-2923101.html

After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We'll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Atkisson

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:44 AM

2. I don't have any problems with McAuliffe

I hope he wins this election for the peoples sake

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:51 AM

3. I see an F rating from the NRA as a badge of honor (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:03 AM

14. I would definitely get an F, and I would accept NO SUBSTITUTES!

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:02 AM

30. +1

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:54 AM

4. So what's the bad news?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:54 AM

5. thats one of my criteria for voting

I don't vote for anyone that has higher then a D nra rating. I prefer the politicians with F ratings from the nra.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:31 AM

6. That takes guts, a lot more than strapping a gun on before venturing out. I hope he wins big.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:35 AM

7. k&r... fuck the nra and good for mr mcauliffe

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:37 AM

8. He will make an excellent governor. nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:42 AM

9. Fucking bullseye, McAuliffe.


And what a sub-human thing for Cuccinelli to do, flaunting his NRA rating at Virginia Tech.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:44 AM

10. He's a scumbag, but damn if that isn't a good answer.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:58 AM

12. Care to elaborate?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:04 AM

15. I'm betting no.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:22 AM

33. Terry McAuliffe's a gladhanding, disingenuous scumbag.

But that was a very good answer.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:24 AM

34. Any specifics, or just a general smear?

 

I'm not in Virginia and don't know much about McAuliffe, but if you're going to smear him, at least back it up with something.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #34)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:36 AM

36. Well, he's not a real stellar human being:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/the-time-terry-mccauliffe-left-the-delivery-for-a-washington

Basically, he left his pregnant wife at the hospital to go to a fundraiser. His politics might not be overly objectionable, but he's not a good guy. He's the consummate machine politician, and he's been best pals with the Clintons for the last 20 years, which led him to fiercely oppose Barack Obama in 2008. He's also the DNC chair who was responsible for only spending money and time in districts that were safe and leaning D between 2000 and 2004, which was why we lost control of the government for so long. Had it not been for Howard Dean, we'd still be doing that.

I'm not going to say that Cooch is better, because he's not--he's a Puritanical psychopath who wants to ban blowjobs and anything but missionary-style sex for procreation. But let's not pretend that Virginia got anything more than a choice between "Horrible" and "Less Bad". McAuliffe's run a tightly controlled campaign, largely to avoid incidents like this:



...so it's safe to say that Virginia could have chosen better.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:12 AM

40. Thanks.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:34 AM

42. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I want to be wrong,

and I want McAuliffe to do right by Virginia. But his track record is not that of a fine, upstanding citizen or politician or strategical genius.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:56 AM

11. Fuck the NRA,

 

Ha I just gave the NRA an F

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:05 AM

16. Don't you have some cleaning up to do?

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:09 AM

17. Nope

 

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:10 AM

18. I guess a few cold ones can make you forget anything!

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:14 AM

20. What R U talking about?

 

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:17 AM

21. You said you gave the NRA an F (I funcked the NRA!)

 

Just thought you might need a shower after that. But alcohol probably works well if you drink enough to forget.

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Response to AAO (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:20 AM

22. LOL

 

ewwwwwwww
Let me Rephrase
Let them go fuck themselves with their AR-15
that is why the want such big guns right??
More DRINKS!!!

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:21 AM

23. Now we're drinking! er talking!

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:00 AM

13. Terry knocked out Kookinelli there.....

And for that nutjob to brag at THAT venue shows how little he has left in the tank leading up to election day.

Kudos to Terry for smacking the NRA grade down so aggressively.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:12 AM

19. Virgina Tech, site of the non-assault weapon, non-assault magazine...

...passed-the-background-check massacre?


Candidate McAuliffe, what is your plan to sharply reduce gun ownership in Virginia over the next ten years?

Candidate McAuliffe, what is your plan to outlaw sales of new handguns, and confiscate with compensation existing handguns in the state of Virginia?



If he's not answering those two questions, then he's just pandering.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:31 AM

24. I figure he must have done SOMETHING to earn the coveted "F" from the NRA.

Whatever it was, I hope he does more of it as Governor.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:35 AM

25. And more fear mongering

from the NRA apologist crowd.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:43 AM

28. Actually, that state beefed up reporting requirements that might have put Cho on the NICS no-go list

after the shooting, or in response to the shooting.

That reporting system could be even better than it is right now. So I don't think your hypothetical questions follow from his statements.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:45 AM

38. AFTER the shooting.

That's good.

Doesn't change the fact that, if you seriously want to disarm criminals, you have to both target the source of guns (legally purchased and owned guns) and the most common type of gun used in crime (handguns).

We have about 900 guns per 1,000 people here in America. Nothing anybody is proposing will have a noticeable change in that number. Not background checks, not assault weapons bans, not magazine capacity limits, not waiting periods, not even outlawing handguns or semi-auto long guns.

What is being proposed are things that will slightly change the demographics of the guns owned. No more "assault weapons", for example, which will result in people buying tactical semi-auto "almost assault-weapons", or lever-action or pump-action rifles chambered in rounds a lot more effective than .223.


So, it's pandering. Nobody is going to suggest a plan to achieve European levels of gun ownership, where the rate is maybe 100 or 150 per 1,000 people, in the next decade. Nobody is going to suggest banning handguns as a class of gun, either sales of new guns or mandatory confiscation of existing guns.

Core issues of crime and violence are not going to be addressed, because it's simpler and jingoistic to "blame guns". The right wing is winning this fight, because the left insists on focusing on guns and gun features to solve crime.

Un-privatizing prisons? Not on the table.
Legalizing recreational drugs? We might get pot by the middle of the century.
Mental health care? God forbid.
Social Safety net?
Un-privatizing schools? Never.
Cheap or free higher education? Wall Street has a fortune invested in student-loan-backed securities. So, NO.

No, the stresses on the American bottom 95% will continue to climb. And because Democrats keep insisting on that useless, pandering measures that only score a point in the culture war on gun-owners are Major Safety Legislation, they will continue to a) not improve society, and b) lose elections.

Maybe not nationally, but the future is fuzzy. But for sure there will be tens of millions of Americans living in right-wing free-market hellholes of states because the Democrats keep insisting that the mechanism that Eugene Stoner developed in the 1950's for launching unguided pieces of copper-plated lead is UNACCEPTABLE.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:53 AM

39. Well, yes, it came after.

Because the shooting highlighted not just that the reporting wasn't done in that case, but compared to some other states, it was utterly neglected.

One could address a large part of this by changing the nature of the reporting requirements. Currently, the system is carrot/no carrot. There are funding incentives for states to meet the reporting requirements, that's all.

There's no carrot/stick. The stick doesn't exist. There is no punishment beyond some public outrage when the media feels like highlighting this shortcoming.

The balance should be stick/carrot. You don't meet these requirements, you lose XYZ funding at the state level. Explain THAT to your constituents.

The vast majority of mass shooters have both mental health issues that could well trip purchasing prohibition statues, AND purchased their firearms legally. (Per the other infographic that is being discussed in GD/Gun subforum.) One could specifically target that issue without impinging on the type of firearms available, or the number owned by individuals.

Same for registration, which I believe is workable. That would spike straw purchases utterly, and it would allow the police a shopping list to go collect when someone trips a firearm prohibition flag via restraining order, or mental health evaluation/adjudication.

Registration really is something we should be working on. Give/take. Open the NFA registry, and extend it down to all firearms, 30$ fee per firearm, one-time registration. Not so hard. Fund it with an excise tax, like the 11% wildlife habitat restoration excise tax already on long guns/ammo.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:38 AM

37. Pardon the Pun, but Those Are "Loaded" Questions if I Ever Saw Em...

>> Candidate McAuliffe, what is your plan to sharply reduce gun ownership in Virginia over the next ten years?

Why would his goal be to sharply reduce gun ownership in Virginia?

Now if the question were about a plan reduce ownership of high-powered assault weapons by disturbed people who will likely use them for no good reason, then Mr. McAuliffe has already answered that one.


>> Candidate McAuliffe, what is your plan to outlaw sales of new handguns, and confiscate with compensation existing handguns in
>> the state of Virginia?

Again, why would that be a goal? What possible good would come of that? Do you know this--for a fact--to be "Candidate McAuliffe's" plan? And if it is, who benefits from it? SOMEBODY has to benefit, que no...?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:27 AM

41. Correct. We need to restrict assault rifles, and then get to the real problem -- handguns.

 


Banning or restricting assault style rifles will cut the demand for all guns dramatically. If people can't get their "babies," the weapons industry will all but shut down.

Then, lets restrict handguns. Not necessarily saying to ban them, but Jeebus, how many guns do people need, and WTF are they doing walking around in public with one or two strapped to their bodies.


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:36 AM

26. The NRA is running lots of ads in SW Virginia for the Cooch and whatever-his-name-is

that's running for Attorney General.

I haven't seen any ads at all for Walker. I guess they can't find ANYONE willing to throw their money away on that one!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:37 AM

27. Good on him!

While he has something of a milquetoast reputation in general amongst Democrats, that was the perfect answer to be said and needs to be repeated by as many Democrats as possible.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 09:59 AM

29. Good for him, fuck the NRA

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:05 AM

31. With the NRA dumping money in for Cuccinelli is a very good reason to vote for the opposite

Candidate but McAuliffe would be my choice before the NRA runs in money. I have also read too many ties between Cucccinelli and McDonald, too much buying off for favors and Cuccinelli should have been on top of the problem before this came to the public attention.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:08 AM

32. I'd vote for him...

...based only on this rating!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:32 AM

35. "I'll see your "F" and raise you an "FU".

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