Old White Man Causing Trouble Again...

[MrScorpio]

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Make it so! nt

[MrScorpio]

2. Happy Halloween!

[BumRushDaShow]

5. He's just so silly.

[Auntie Bush]

3. I hope ALL men are listening and watching.

[DavidDvorkin]

6. What makes you think that ALL men need to?

[Hekate]

7. Perhaps you have a son, brother, or friend who could use your guidance.

Make it so!

[DavidDvorkin]

11. My son received my guidance long ago

He has no need to listen or watch. Neither do I. Neither do vast numbers of men. And that was my point.

[greiner3]

12. Holy crap dude;

Lighten up a bit!

[DavidDvorkin]

18. What a foolish response

Broad-brush condemnations should not be ignored.

[defacto7]

43. Looks like you don't know the difference between

condemnation and a statement of support. "Broad-brush condemnation"? You have to be kidding; your's was the only broad-brush and you're painting the wrong house as well.

[BrotherIvan]

38. Often well-raised, compassionate people care about the plight of others

They work to make sure no one need suffer. Your mileage may vary.

[DavidDvorkin]

39. Of course, but that doesn't require that they pay close attention to messages

imploring them to be what they already are.

[defacto7]

45. "require"?

"Hope" does not equal "require". You personalize the comment as if there is no one else here but you. It's not about you if you decide it's not. If you want to tell us about your experience, fine. If you want to invalidate a supportive comment because you have a personal issue.... think a bit more.

[Lordquinton]

41. Great here's your gold star

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The point is over there, in case you missed it.

[chervilant]

52. Wooooooooosh!

The sound of resentful, defensive men missing the point...

(If "vast numbers of men" felt this way, rape, sexual assault and relationship violence would be rare and remarkable!)

[whopis01]

20. Because if all men followed that message

it would end male violence against women.

Stating that ALL men should watch and listen to that message is not a condemnation of ALL men. As you point out further down in the thread, you and others in your family already do listen (and promote) that message. But until ALL men do the violence against women won't end.

[DavidDvorkin]

29. Some women murder their babies

By your logic, all women should watch videos lecturing women not to murder their babies.

[whopis01]

50. No - you are failing to see my point.

To begin with, why are you talking about videos and lectures? There was no video or lectured posted or talked about - at least not that I saw.

There was the comment made by another poster saying "I hope ALL men are listening and watching". Clearly (as there is no video to watch or lecture to listen to) this is referring to the message being delivered and not a particular medium such as a video or lecture.

So if you would just relax the rules of literalness a little, I think it is easy to interpret that statement as "I hope ALL men understand this".

My point is that you interpreted it as a condemnation against all men - including those who would neither be violent towards women nor condone such violence - I don't believe it was meant as such, nor did I read it as such.

[LanternWaste]

21. Much as the warning signs at public swimming pools are applicable to all want to go for a nice, rela

Much as the warning signs at public swimming pools are applicable to all want to go for a nice, relaxing swim...

Some already know the safety precautions, others may not-- but rare is the sign I see that prefaces itself with "if you're an experienced swimmer, practice common sense behavior and maintain this throughout your visit here, you may disregard the following..."

[DavidDvorkin]

31. False comparison

Having the signs at swimming pools is the practical way to do it.

A situation comparable to the one we're discussing here would be if someone held a sign at a street corner encouraging safe swimming practices and a DU poster said that all people, swimmers or not, should read that sign and follow its urgings.

[chervilant]

54. Because any man

who reacts defensively to this adjuration, as have you, is as damaged by patriarchy as are survivors of rape, sexual assault, and relationship violence.

[DavidDvorkin]

55. Rubbish.

[chervilant]

58. Denial is not a river in Egypt. n/t

[JBoy]

4. I think I want to be Patrick Stewart when I grow up.

[47of74]

44. Me too.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

8. That man's...

...got balls!

[ajk2821]

14. I see what you did there...

[russspeakeasy]

9. Thanks for posting this.

[gtar100]

10. Awesome!

[Not Sure]

13. Brilliant!

[awoke_in_2003]

15. I am an old school Star Trek guy...

and never really got into Next Generation, but I love Patrick Stewart.

[Rozlee]

23. I feel sorry for conservatives who are Trekkies or Star Wars fans.

I love rubbing it in their faces that the main featured stars and directors/producers of those shows are liberals.

[awoke_in_2003]

27. At one time I thought I was a conservative...

but looking back at the social issues the showed tackled I wonder- how could one enjoy the show, and its message, and be a conservative?

[Rozlee]

40. Naw, you weren't a conservative. Too many of them are xenophobic.

If they can't get along with other races here on earth, they'd freak out over different species of intelligent beings like greenish, pointy-eared Vulcans and furry Wookies.

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, MrScorpio.

[Sophiegirl]

17. Patrick Stewart is a brilliant light.

He is such a splendid spokesman against violence toward women.

I know this video is long, but is well worth taking the time to watch the entire speech.

http://m.

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[idwiyo]

19. k&r

[daybranch]

22. Let's go fellows!

Why is it older women are always carrying the load? Look around. They stand up for men in everyway possible. Lets stand with them and volunteer.
By the way I am an old white guy from the south, a combat veteran, a federal Government retiree, a supporter of Union Rights, a supporter of Obamacare and a path to single payer, a believer in keynesiamn economics, one who disdains the neoliberals as not real democrats, a believer in framing and any other legal technique we can use to get our message out to help the people.
Let us help these women.

[UtahLib]

24. A strong message from a strong and decent man. n/t

[BlueMTexpat]

25. There are actually lots of "old white men" who

are honorable, strong and decent individuals.

I know this well because I am an "old white women" who has been married to one of them for the past 32+ years!

Patrick reminds me of him, in fact!

[chervilant]

53. You're so fortunate!

I wish I could find one of those!

[BlueMTexpat]

59. Believe me, I know.

Had a less pleasant experience the first time around, although to be fair, I believe that we were both too young and immature. It wasn't that he was not a good person and we did have two sons together, who both seem to have turned out fine, i.e., they are both staunch Dems. LOL Their dad and I were just not a good fit, although we were together for 13 years.

I was not looking to remarry at all, but serendipity and a lot of fervent match-making by mutual acquaintances brought the two of us together after I had been a single parent for three years (he had been one for seven, sharing custody). It was also the second time around for him. One of the earliest and kindest lessons that I learned from him is that one can not only survive a divorce, but one can also remain on good terms with an ex, which is especially important when children are involved. Of course, that implies rational adults on all sides, which is too often not the case, unfortunately, given the nature of divorce.

But he really is something special.

[chervilant]

60. One of my friends said it best:

My 'picker' is broken. As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, date rape, and an alcoholic, abusive father, I've apparently not learned to discern when a man is a pathological liar (or a sociopath, or an ODD...)

I am in the Crone stage of my life, and enjoying my solitude. However, if someone like Patrick dropped in my lap, I'd be all over him!

[BlueMTexpat]

61. You have all my warmest thoughts!

You must be a very strong person to have survived so much. Stay strong and believe in yourself!

There is nothing at all wrong with solitude. Many actively choose it and are very happy with that choice.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. A genuinely good human being.

Much respect.

[leftyladyfrommo]

28. Wow. How neat is that guy! n/t

[Rex]

30. Professor X knows what he is talking about.

nt.

[11 Bravo]

32. I was pleasantly surprised to find that this is NOT a John McCain thread!

[Wait Wut]

34. LOL!

I thought the exact same thing!

[Wait Wut]

33. That's not just any 'old white man'...

...no, no, no. He's special...and beautiful, both inside and out.

Makes this aging lady giggle.

[DLevine]

35. Patrick Stewart is a good man. nt

[TxDemChem]

36. Awesome!

Gotta live him!

[RebelOne]

42. Thank you, Patrick Stewart. n/t

[defacto7]

46. Brilliant!

Go Patrick!

I think ALL men would benefit from hearing this/ reading this whether it's to gain information or just to feel support that they are not alone in the fight for Women's and Girl's rights.

[graywarrior]

47. Very cool!

[Faygo Kid]

48. "There are four lights!"

An honest man who calls 'em as he sees 'em. Glad to be on the planet with him.

[ismnotwasm]

49. I love that man

[lupinella]

51. Crying here.

As a survivor of child abuse, I can't thank him enough for this. Love hIm.

[Ian_rd]

56. Ha! I love that guy.

My favorite captain. Expect for maybe Rameus.

[calimary]

57. Oh Captain My Captain! Heart!!!!

Love that guy! He's one bald gent who is sexy as hell! He's even more attractive when one thinks of the mind beneath the bald head. He's just yummy! Man enough not to be threatened by women's rights. Kinda like MY man is!

[DiverDave]

62. Using fame to help out...OUTSTANDING

This is exactly why I admire the guy, and his voice, he just has a Shakespeare type of voice.

Oh, and my single mom kept 4 of us fed working as a waitress.
We didnt have alot, but we never went hungry.