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Emit

(11,213 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:27 PM Nov 2013

Hatewatch Exclusive: Alleged LAX Shooter Referenced ‘Patriot’ Conspiracy Theories

The 23-year-old man who allegedly killed a TSA official at Los Angeles International Airport yesterday was carrying a one-page “manifesto” that included references to the “New World Order,” the Federal Reserve and “fiat currency,” according to a knowledgeable source with ranking law enforcement contacts.

Paul Anthony Ciancia, who allegedly wounded three other TSA workers before being shot and critically wounded himself, also expressed antagonism toward the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its chief until she resigned in August, Janet Napolitano, the source said. Ciancia’s note called former Secretary Napolitano a “bull dyke” and contained the phrase “FU Janet Napolitano,” the source said.

Ciancia’s language and references seemed to put him squarely in the conspiracy-minded world of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement. The New World Order refers to a longstanding conspiracy theory that today, in its most popular iteration, claims that global elites are plotting to form a socialistic “one-world government” that would crush American freedoms. Often, the root of the alleged conspiracy is traced to the 1913 creation of the Federal Reserve and the adoption of fiat currency — paper money that is not backed by gold, as it was once was in the U.S.

~snip~

The attack, which Ciancia allegedly carried out using a semi-automatic 223-caliber AR-15, comes at a time when the Patriot movement has been growing by leaps and bounds, from some 149 groups in 2008 to 1,360 last year, according to counts by the Southern Poverty Law Center. That explosive growth seems to have been driven by the election of our first black president and the approaching loss of a white majority in the U.S. that he represents. Another driver is the crash of the economy, which coincided neatly with the rise to national power of President Obama.


http://splcenter.org/blog/2013/11/02/hatewatch-exclusive-alleged-lax-shooter-referenced-patriot-conspiracy-theories/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Hatewatch Exclusive: Alleged LAX Shooter Referenced ‘Patriot’ Conspiracy Theories (Original Post) Emit Nov 2013 OP
So it turns out he is a political RWing gun nut! Rex Nov 2013 #1
not always... johnnyrak88 Nov 2013 #4
Not always arcane1 Nov 2013 #6
Notice he is comparing something that is real - getting fired Rex Nov 2013 #9
95% of the time it is. Rex Nov 2013 #7
I did not know that about Dorner seveneyes Nov 2013 #8
He worked for the LAPD and was laid off Rex Nov 2013 #10
This unredacted version of what was called his manifesto Emit Nov 2013 #22
Wow! Thanks for the link. This guy was all over the place seveneyes Nov 2013 #25
As a rehab counselor, I thought it was interesting that he had two prior head injuries Emit Nov 2013 #55
It's much more complicated than that. For the record, Dorner wrote: Emit Nov 2013 #17
Do you have a link to the manifesto? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #38
Unabomber jberryhill Nov 2013 #52
Dorner's was about a personal grudge against the LAPD for being fired , he didn't do it JI7 Nov 2013 #53
Glenn Beck was "warned" of the "New World Order" for years ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #40
Why am I not surprised? shenmue Nov 2013 #2
Our extremists break windows of corporations (often very nasty corporations) Downtown Hound Nov 2013 #3
It is the biggest difference between left and right anarchy. Rex Nov 2013 #11
and the result would be the same! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #32
cue the "this is just a lone wolf" DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #5
The establishment will attack nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #19
Yup. Fawke Em Nov 2013 #54
These zealots secondvariety Nov 2013 #12
Indeed, Sir: The Word 'Patriot' Signifies 'Traitor' Nowadays.... The Magistrate Nov 2013 #34
There's something really creepy about your post RZM Nov 2013 #44
It Is A Cold Fact, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2013 #50
The gist I get from the anti abortion right PatrynXX Nov 2013 #13
Manifestos aren't what they used to be eh? NightWatcher Nov 2013 #14
I'm shocked I tell you malaise Nov 2013 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #16
Betcha he was a big fan of Alex Jones. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #18
Well, he sounds like a nice boy, doesn't he? Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #20
I'm sure Alex Jones and Wayne La-Piss-Ant are very proud. Lint Head Nov 2013 #21
Alex Jones is already trying to label it a false-flag operation starroute Nov 2013 #23
Well, at least we know he is not paranoid, somebody is out to get him nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #24
Huh? rdharma Nov 2013 #27
I think she was being sarcastic. nt Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #46
I'm shocked! Is he at least admitting that people were shot this time? arcane1 Nov 2013 #26
I think he and his like are pulling together anything they can starroute Nov 2013 #28
I think it's more that he's a total doofus RZM Nov 2013 #45
I too am a conspiracy theorist. dotymed Nov 2013 #29
sorry to screw up your meme....but he has accomplished much more than half VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33
Now that sounds like dotymed Nov 2013 #35
it's more of a "Factism". VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36
What more would a President Sanders have accomplished with this Congress??? Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #41
RE Jackal87 Nov 2013 #43
Whoa... handmade34 Nov 2013 #51
5 words.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #30
you won't hear a lot about on MSM gopiscrap Nov 2013 #31
---> napkinz Nov 2013 #37
very similar to conspiracy theories heard on Glenn Beck show ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #39
AR-15 military assault rifle, wearing cammos, 4 full 30 round clips workinclasszero Nov 2013 #42
My Rule: Anyone who claims to be a patriot is not. MineralMan Nov 2013 #47
RWNJs have really sullied that word..... rdharma Nov 2013 #48
So.. he shot and killed some poor shmoe who was standing on his feet all day for probably just above Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #49
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. So it turns out he is a political RWing gun nut!
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:34 PM
Nov 2013

Who could have guessed, besides half of DU!

Still waiting to hear back about all those big meanie Left extremists that go out and blow up buildings or go on a killing spree.

 

johnnyrak88

(59 posts)
4. not always...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:46 PM
Nov 2013

McVeigh... yup

Abortion Clinic shooter guy... yup


Last guy sympathetic to the left I can remember is Christopher Dorner (excerpts from Dorner's manifesto):

"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Par Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead."

"Ellen Degeneres, continue your excellent contribution to entertaining America and bringing the human factor to entertainment. You changed the perception of your gay community and how we as Americans view the LGBT community. I congratulate you on your success and opening my eyes as a young adult, and my generation to the fact that you are know different from us other than who you choose to love. Oh, and you Prop 8 supporters, why the fuck do you care who your neighbor marries. Hypocritical pieces of shit."

"You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President."

"Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. Notice he is comparing something that is real - getting fired
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:55 PM
Nov 2013

from a job and losing your mind, to the crazy libertarain/rwing garbage of NWO and Obama's Gun Grabber brigade? Reality vs. Fiction.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. 95% of the time it is.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:53 PM
Nov 2013

They seem to lack any kind of self control and are easily angered by RWing propaganda. Even if it is easily debunked. Dorner was fired from his job and that sent him into a downward spiral...no New World Order or Gun Grabbers garbage...huge difference.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
25. Wow! Thanks for the link. This guy was all over the place
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:47 PM
Nov 2013

A shame someone did not detect his unbalance earlier and try to secure the loose cannon.

Emit

(11,213 posts)
55. As a rehab counselor, I thought it was interesting that he had two prior head injuries
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:03 PM
Nov 2013

it's a sad, convoluted case all around.

Emit

(11,213 posts)
17. It's much more complicated than that. For the record, Dorner wrote:
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:18 PM
Nov 2013

"Mia Farrow said it best. 'Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.'" and "Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of shit..."

He also though listed George H.W. Bush as his second favorite POTUS (after Clinton).

He wrote: "I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party..." and noted that Gov. Chris Christie was the only person he'd like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary.

He wanted his brain "preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual’s brain."

https://sites.google.com/site/christopherjdorner/home

JI7

(89,240 posts)
53. Dorner's was about a personal grudge against the LAPD for being fired , he didn't do it
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:00 PM
Nov 2013

because of some huge political agenda.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
3. Our extremists break windows of corporations (often very nasty corporations)
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

Theirs kill innocent people.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. It is the biggest difference between left and right anarchy.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:58 PM
Nov 2013

One would destroy the system and the other would butcher all the people.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
5. cue the "this is just a lone wolf"
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:51 PM
Nov 2013

in 3...2...1

Also, I remember when I was ridiculed because I said the right wing terrorism we face should count as sedition, as it is fed by many rw hacks. I guess this is justy another coincidence, eh?

The Magistrate

(95,243 posts)
50. It Is A Cold Fact, Sir
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:12 PM
Nov 2013

Most people who proclaim they are patriots today are in fact traitors, seditionists, rebels, and openly declaring themselves to be enemies of the United States, its government, and its people as they pronounce themselves to be patriots. Indeed, the louder the claim of being a patriot, the greater the likelihood the person making the claim is a traitor.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
13. The gist I get from the anti abortion right
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:16 PM
Nov 2013

is that as long as the murder rate and death from illness rate remains below the abortion rate... it's okay. (seriously so much so I can't post this comment on facebook because those people will read it. well I do sometimes but this comment is looking for a retort

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. Manifestos aren't what they used to be eh?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:16 PM
Nov 2013

Ted Kaczyyyn, The Unabomber had a huge, sometimes well written manifesto. Now apparently due to our failing education system, all the morons can spell out is an FU.

It did appear that the kid did use most of Alex Jones' code words however. Did he also fear FEMA camps, chemtrails, alien robot pigeons....?

Response to Emit (Original post)

starroute

(12,977 posts)
23. Alex Jones is already trying to label it a false-flag operation
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:42 PM
Nov 2013

He knows that the hounds are close at his heels and he can feel their hot breath on the back of his neck.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. I'm shocked! Is he at least admitting that people were shot this time?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:49 PM
Nov 2013

Or is he going with the "this didn't really happen" route like with the Boston Bombings?

What a nut. It's amazing that some people actually take this fool seriously enough to actually go out and kill people

starroute

(12,977 posts)
28. I think he and his like are pulling together anything they can
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:11 PM
Nov 2013

One is the story -- which even showed up here at DU -- about the LAPD having recently run a training drill based on a similar scenario.

Another is the original reports that the shooter was a disgruntled former TSA employee -- which Jones is claiming was a true account that got covered up.

Even his name, Ciancia, is being described as a not-very-covert indication that it was a CIA operation.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
45. I think it's more that he's a total doofus
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 04:43 PM
Nov 2013

He labels just about everything that happens a false flag operation. Same shit, different day. And the crazies love it.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
29. I too am a conspiracy theorist.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:26 PM
Nov 2013

NWO- TPP and the NSA seem to ushering that in

President Obama- I do not care what color he is but he is a liar. If he attempted 1/2 of the promises he made as a candidate,
America would be a much better place. Americans WANT what we voted for. That is why I support Bernie Sanders. Screw the "spoiler"
meme. If everyone voted for our interests, there would be no "spoiler", only a strong, happy America.

IMO, if you don't believe that there is a giant government conspiracy, you are not paying attention.

p.s. I consider myself a patriot also.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
33. sorry to screw up your meme....but he has accomplished much more than half
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:45 PM
Nov 2013

of his promises....

Just because you didn't get a flying car or glitter pony.....

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. What more would a President Sanders have accomplished with this Congress???
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:25 PM
Nov 2013

Do you actually believe Bernie Sanders has a magic wand, or mind control powers of some kind to force Republicans to do his bidding?


And why isn't Senator Bernie Sanders part of that vast conspiracy? He is, after all, part of the federal government.


Delusional magical thinkers.

Jackal87

(43 posts)
43. RE
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 04:06 PM
Nov 2013

Sanders/Warren supports are just a rehash of kucinich supporters who in return originated from the Naderites.

Our very own tea party(that we do NOT need)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
42. AR-15 military assault rifle, wearing cammos, 4 full 30 round clips
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:32 PM
Nov 2013

Looking to slaughter unarmed TSA agents. Right wing you say? Couldn't see that coming eh?

Shit I bet this scumball is a hero to Hate radio, libertarians and teabagger jihadist's all over the country!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. So.. he shot and killed some poor shmoe who was standing on his feet all day for probably just above
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:42 PM
Nov 2013

minimum wage.


Wow, what a victory for freedom!



As for this bullshit "Patriot" stuff. One did not need to be Nostradamus to see it coming. Same shit happened when Clinton was in the WH, and Clinton wasn't even African American.

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