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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Price of America Having the Greatest Military in the World? It's Destroying the Country
http://www.alternet.org/world/tragic-history-us-military-supremacyThe idea of U.S. "national security" seems inextricably entangled with the notion of "military supremacy." Over the past 15 years, this has served to rationalize the most expensive unilateral military build-up in history. But there is no evidence that having the most expensive and destructive military forces makes Americans safer than people in other countries, nor that restoring a more balanced military posture would leave us vulnerable to dangers we are currently protected from. Many countries with smaller military forces do a better job of protecting their people by avoiding the hostility that is generated by U.S. imperialism, aggression and other war crimes.
Now, successful diplomacy over Syria's chemical weapons has demonstrated that diplomacy within the framework of international law can be a more effective way of dealing with problems than the illegal threat or use of military force. Our government claims that its threat of force led to the success of diplomacy in Syria, but that's not really what happened. It was only when the sleeping giant of American democracy awoke from its long slumber and pried the cruise missiles from our leaders' trigger fingers that they grudgingly accepted "diplomacy as a last resort." For once in a very long while, our political system worked the way it's supposed to: the public made its views clear to our representatives in Congress, and they listened. We saved our leaders from the consequences of their own criminality, and their efforts to sell a propaganda narrative that turns that on its head is a sad reflection on their disdain for democracy and the rule of law.
For most of our history, Americans never dreamt of global military supremacy. At the turn of the 20th century, even as the U.S. waged a genocidal war that probably killed a million Filipinos, American diplomats played key roles in the Hague Peace Conferences and the establishment of international courts, eager to adapt American concepts of democracy and justice to the international arena to develop alternatives to war and militarism.
In response to the horrors of the First World War, an international social movement demanded the abolition of war. In 1928, the U.S. government responded by negotiating the Kellogg-Briand Pact, named for U.S. Secretary of State Frank Kellogg, in which all major powers renounced "war as an instrument of national policy." The treaty failed to prevent the Second World War, but it provided the legal basis for the convictions of German leaders at Nuremberg for the crime of aggression. And it is still in force, supported by subsequent treaties like the UN Charter and conventions against genocide, torture and other war crimes, under which senior U.S. officials must also eventually face justice.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They haven't done that since 1945.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)You passed the test. Because none of our wars since then have been to defend the nation no matter what they claim.
dairydog91
(951 posts)And if Islamic fundamentalists is all that U.S. needs to defend itself against, why does the U.S. need a gargantuan military to fight third-world peasants?
weissmam
(905 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)We have a military that is many, many times more massive than any other country's military. There is no way anyone could threaten us.
So instead we make up threats and we use the military to bully our way around the world for American corporations.
indepat
(20,899 posts)should TPTB ever desire to do so.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Someone got rich didn't they?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the 1%. Certainly not the interests of the poor. The lower classes provide humans for the military and the funds.
We are fools.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)and it isn't the President or the American people.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)I just put it in my queue at Netflix.
Thanks!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I am in the midst of watching it now and it is absolutely horrifying. Although, I am not surprised about the revelations, actually seeing the evidence uncovered and the victims of these atrocities is extremely depressing.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)draining the nation's ability to invest in people and infrastructure. We have abandoned the infrastructure, research and education for the sake of new and greater weapons. And sometimes the weapons aren't even greater, they just cost more. A military a fraction of its present size is simply not justified.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)And it needs to be scaled back, however, how to you do that without putting so many out of work? Don't get me wrong, we spend way too much, but the defense contracts employee a huge infrastructure. In a perfect world, it would be nice to transfer money to jobs with renewable energy and the upkeep of infrastructure, but the time between would be painful.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)for a very gradual reduction and redirection through retraining, incentives. I think we have to fix the minimum wage issue first, though so people are not laid off into $7.50/hour jobs when they were making $50k in the MIC.
I had an old friend who was a military pilot. Probably $1million spent on her training several decades ago. Frankly, I didn't see the benefit of it except as a jobs program.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)But it doesn't do anything for us. I mean, we out spend the entire world combined (I believe). At some point the spending exceeded what was needed, while everything else goes to hell. The right wing mindset is steeped in fear, which is why they'll never consider military cuts, and then there's the faction of the right wing who profit from it. The two branches of the GOP...
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)True, it's the right wing who want to project American power everywhere and all the time. And if the Russians have tens subs, the US has to have fifty. That's not just unfeasible, it's actually crazy.
But most Democratic politicians are little better. They all are for cuts in the military, unless it affects a factory in their district. Or unless it opens them to an accusation of being soft on communism/terrorism/whatever.
To steal a phrase from your post, when it comes to military spending, the Republicans and (most) Democrats act like two branches of the GOP.
So am I pessimistic about all this? You bet.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)my former friend was that she turned teabagger. She joined the navy decades ago because she wanted to learn to fly. Patriotism was secondary (or less). At that time, she would never have been in a combat theater. Yet if she had been living by her Ayn Rand mindset, she should have paid someone to train her to fly, then joined the navy in an "expedited" program. She isn't a pilot in the private sector, either.
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Your post describes exactly what Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address. Imagine that, a DU poster in step with a GOP president!
Now, here are the people who won't agree with you:
1. Congress members who take MIC contributions (otherwise known as bribes).
2. Congress members who have MIC facilities in their home districts.
3. Presidents who are scared to death of appearing the least bit weak.
Sorry Enthusiast, but, power-wise, you are greatly outnumbered.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)As several posters have suggested, there are better job creating strategies than the military. The nation's infrastructure is in bad need of repair. We need a national high speed rail system as soon as possible. And we need new renewable power sources and transmission systems built immediately.
Either the nation does the right thing or we do the wrong thing.
Right now the Neo-Con chickenhawks are planing a new big war. Big wars are the only way to justify this ridiculous elephant in the room military. So they have to contrive a way to get us in a new big war. They are working on that too.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)There is nothing complicated about it: A large MIC is extremely expensive and adds no value in return. Eventually it becomes unsustainable. It happens every time.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... just what is it the defense budget is defending?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)And I don't think I have ever heard it asked outside DU.
defending itself
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I agree, just what is the DOD defending?
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)It's the American military they love. It's typical military narcissism that has destroyed nations throughout history.
If they loved America, they would not take from us more than what they need. They would be careful with what they are given. They would make sure that the America that they claim to love so much is healthy, strong, vibrant, and living up to its potential.
But they don't. They drain us of our resources and continue to demand more. They promise great things for volunteers but they practically abandon them when they are through with them. Proof of that is the number of veteran organizations fundraising to get the money they need to take care of things that the military should fully cover as part of their ongoing responsibility to veterans.
Enough of this 'God Bless America' bullshit from them.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They do not love America.
"If they loved America, they would not take from us more than what they need. They would be careful with what they are given. They would make sure that the America that they claim to love so much is healthy, strong, vibrant, and living up to its potential."
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)When we honor them for their service to our masters.
Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)Truman mistrusted the Soviets and never shared Roosevelt's commitment to work with them in a spirit of mutual respect. He quickly fell under the influence of hawkish advisers like his Chief of Staff Admiral Leahy, Ambassador Harriman and Navy Secretary Forrestal, and he condemned the Russians harshly at every turn during negotiations on the contours of the post-war world. Truman embraced Churchill's self-fulfilling declaration of an "iron curtain" across Europe and his dark view of America's wartime ally as a potential aggressor in the mold of Nazi Germany.
I'd like to see that argumant explored at greater length before I accept the notion that the USSR would not have exerted control over the territories it occupied at the end of WWII if not for Truman's "harsh condemnations." What, specifically, did Truman condemn, and did the Soviets' intent to spread their political/economic system arise only as a result of these negotiations?
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)One school of thought is that Stalin acted as he did in Eastern Europe for defensive reasons.
Stalin doubted the West's ability to handle Germany should it rise again. The Munich debacle in 1938 showed him that the West was willing to appease as long as the Germans looked east, and not west. Stalin wanted a buffer zone against a Fourth Reich. Remember, Russia suffered horrific German invasions in both WW I and WW II.
NATO was formed in 1949. The Warsaw Pact wasn't formed until 1955. Stalin correctly assumed that NATO was pointed directly at him. Again, a buffer zone was needed.
Is that the whole picture? Not at all. Stalin was amoral, and an expansionist. He probably would have treated Eastern Europe much the same way had there been no NATO.
But it is a mistake to ignore the Soviet Union's legitimate security concerns.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)They eve held talks about the Soviet Union joining the Axis forces. If Stalin had joined the Allies in 1939, it might've held Hitler at bay for fear of having to fight a two front war.
Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)But as you pointed out, Stalin was amoral and an expansionist to begin with and would likely have imposed Soviet rule over Eastern Europe in any event.
The point is, the OP attempts to blame Truman's negotiating stance for the drawing of the Iron Curtain and the Cold War. What can't be ignored is that Stalin was a monster who slaughtered more human beings under his rule than perished in Hitler's Final Solution, and Soviet tyranny oppressed more people for a longer duration than the relatively short-lived Third Reich.
Within the context of the OP, we're talking about the wealth of the United States being wastefully spent on the military when it could have solved so many of our domestic ills. I wholehertedly agree with that premise, but I draw the line at dubious interpretations of history. There may have been missed opportunities for detente with the USSR from the beginning, but IMO it would have been foolish not to have a legitimate military deterrent to Soviet expansion westward into more of Europe.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)mentions Truman pissing off Molotov (and thence possibly Stalin) but also mentions Truman throwing the Soviets out of Greece, Turkey, Iran, and reducing their interest in Yugoslavia. While some might argue the Shah was no great bargain for Iran, it seems clear that Soviet European domination was a plan long before Truman swore at Molotov.
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0508.html
There's undoubtedly more detail elsewhere, and an obit isn't designed to trash a President, but this wraps it up nicely.
I've heard it said that the Russians have felt hurt that their massive losses and contributions to the war effort weren't fully appreciated. That's probably true, but Stalin likely killed more Russians than Hitler did, so put the blame where it belongs.
(In the marvelous movie ""Ninotchka" Garbo has the great line-- "The last mass trials were a great success. There are going to be fewer but better Russians." And this was in 1939 when few Americans knew much about the Soviets.)
Sigh.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Like all of History's empires, the United States is going down the crapper because of excessive foreign military adventures and a bloated defense budget that's the source of graft, bribery and corruption. And everyone in Washington is fearful of the military industrial media complex that will end their political careers if challenged. And they also like the bribes going to secret Cayman Islands accounts.
burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)so shall proceed the United States without historically-informed leadership.
The dynamic is already set up.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)over the details and ferreting out the differences, the tidal wave of history will sweep it all from under them.
T Roosevelt
(4,105 posts)that all that military equipment and training trickles down to state and local law enforcement agencies, essentially militarizing your local police departments.
hatrack
(59,583 posts)And all the armored cars and pepper spray you could ever want. What could possibly go wrong?
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Mustellus
(328 posts).... is not a position with job security.
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)The U.S. had over 25,000 nuclear weapons and it always begged the question, how many times can you kill someone? Simply profit driven mindlessness.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)That's it in a nutshell. They are siphoning the treasury to the 1% & militarizing our police forces at the same time.
See my post below, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3970700
A four minute video with incredible graphics & stunning statistics that will make you seethe.
on edit: That's a helluva screen name!
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)Nicely done, I may use it in my U.S. Government classes. The closing sequence using the comparison was great. Sure to spark some debate. Thanks for the screen name comment. I have been attacked on DU when my comments may have been perceived to be ad odds with someone else and it always goes back to the name, which started as a joke some years ago. Anyway, nice vid.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)I thought the graphics were incredible! The coin tanks & coin bombs. I admire that kind of creativity so much! I would never come up with ideas like that.
Too bad about the screen name. Just goes to show there is close mindedness everywhere.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)so we get toxic drywall, toys filled with lead, poisoned dog food, and, now, tainted spices. But it's all cheap and the corporations make billions in profits, so what could possibly go wrong.. the "free market" at work.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Johnson. They told us. The US seems to have a hard time learning. considering that we used this knowledge to bring the USSR down it is too bad we are following them right over the cliff.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)We made the Soviets spend on their military until their country collapsed. Now we're doing the same thing and no threatening foreign power is even making us do it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)I live in Tacoma in 1989 (Tacoma was quite the military town) (Tacoma is a city of 210,000 and county seat for 800,000) I chaired an advisory initiative asking for a 10% reduction of military spending to go to deficit reduction and social services. Being a military town, nobody thought we would get on the ballot. Not only did we get on the ballot, we won the vote with a 64%-36% tally. Although only advisory...what it did do was spark huge dialogue in the community and also made people think about spending priorities. It was one of the seminal events that moved this town to the left.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)53¢ of every tax dollar goes to the military, except that since this video was made, the figure is now 57¢.
Next time someone tells you the United States is broke & our seniors have to eat dog food & we have to cut the hot lunch program for our kids, tell them to watch this 4 minute video.
The out of control military/security industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned about is sucking up a majority of every tax dollar & they want more. Talk about entitlement!
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Jasana
(490 posts)they couldn't stop two punks from bombing the Boston marathon... even with a head's up from Russia. Definitely not worth the price tag.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)because you criticized the spymaster alphabet soup your name is on a list somewhere. Probably under the head of Malcontent or something. They've got their eyes on you.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DLevine
(1,788 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)But, we need some political cajones to turn this one around.
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)and it had better be a grande set to make it work.
panader0
(25,816 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)It wasn't so much the American people, as it was diplomacy, pressure and common sense from Russia. Even many right here on DU though it would be OK to blow up parts of Syria.
I noticed the same thing.. I had a few quibbles with the article, whose basic premise I completely agree with.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)it's good for the 1%ers, socializing risk, privatizing profits, not just in military, but everywhere there are profits to be made...predatory capitalism, SCOTUS enabled.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Ironically, when the Spanish Armada failed in its goal, some of the English gave thanks to God.
A great many English also thanked Francis Drake, John Hawkins, and other English seafarers.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)So there's that.
But really, this is so true. I'm sickened to my core about the priorities of this country.
tblue37
(65,334 posts)throughout history. But people don't learn, because in the short term militarism financially and politically benefits a group of people with power, and it helps them to hold onto their power, so they will do everything in their exceedingly *well-armed* power to force the country to continue along its disastrous imperialistic path.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)But seriously getting out of the empire business is not going to be easy. Aside from simply withdrawing from intractable conflicts like in Afghanistan - which can and should be done - so much of the assumed security system of countries all over the world assume a major portion of their legitimacy from the shadowy power of U.S. imperialism. If we are talking about wretched dictatorships perhaps there is not a such a quandary about backing away from supporting them. But if we are talking about democracies and countries that may not quite meet western democratic standards - but they are not totalitarian states either - like many countries in the Asia-Pacific region - there is not a simple formula of how to extricate ourselves from that situation. I suppose I end up agreeing with Michael Lind who argues that the sure size and scope of America, its economy and sphere of influence means that America will inevitably remain a major world power - but we simply cannot afford to maintain at current levels - It simply has to be downsized.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)when even the military doesn't want the crap some of these military equipment manufacturers are putting out.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)It is way way out of control, unbelievable how much of a burden the U.S. taxpayers pay to allow our country to play global police.
By many metrics, we are no longer a great nation (poverty, incarceration, longevity, infant mortality, infrastructure, health care, happiness), but even with so many of our citizens living in poor situations, the military (and affiliated "security" agencies) receives whatever it wants.
We need to reduce it to perhaps 1/3 of its size, IMO, and that would still be huge.
When these threads come up, I always see someone (or multiple someones) pipe up that we need the jobs. This infuriates me.
First, we use our military for many indefensible actions around the world, and we are now hated by much of the world because of it.
Second, we don't get much of anything back from these jobs or from this spending. We could pay them to do whatever harmless activity here in the U.S. There's plenty to be done, we just never have the money to do it, but by reducing military spending we could employ all of these people doing things society actually needs (energy retrofits and conversions, infrastructure work, etc.) and still have a lot of money left over to take care of our citizens.
What we DO get back are brain-washed vets, some of whom no longer function well in normal society, and all of them have been programmed at a very deep level to unquestioningly accept authoritarian models of organization. We get people who want to kick ass, who value control systems over personal freedom and creativity, we get a militarized society. And a legion of disabled vets who will live the rest of their lives with the physical and mental scars from their military service.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)That communism failed (I see it on Facebook all the time)- look at the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union's problems were brought on by excessive military spending.
If the soviets failed, then could we say that capitalism failed (when the banks were bailed out by the government).
Those who wail and gnash their teeth at socialism really should ask themselves isn't the example of the Feds taking over Fannie Mae the perfect example of capitalism giving way to socialism.... during the Bush Administration.
It isn't that communism or socialism failed, it is that a country that produces things that have the sole function of destroying - isn't improving their future. Eventually that will catch up to anyone.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)if your spending more for bullets, planes, ship and tanks....the people suffer.
Our shelves aren't bare yet but the country is falling apart and people are losing food stamps etc..we are definitely on the road.
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)All empires are evil, this one is no different.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I have somewhat of a different view, both to those who never served and those who are gung-ho drunk with U.S. military power.
In the Air National Guard of my day, I performed the "defence of country" role about as closely as anyone can in the military. 100% of the air defence of CONUS is provided by the ANG, and North America in partnership with the Royal Canadian Air Force.
However, starting in the Bush years, the ANG has been gutted by closing down/re-roling a lot of its fighter units. Their F-16's, which had a lot of usefulness in them left, are now sitting in the "boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB.
The vast majority of these were F-16ADF (Air Defence Version) specialised for the Guard - to defend U.S. skies.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article14.html
Bush decided, in his infinite wisdom, that "boots on the ground" (read: Army and Marines) in Iraq were more important in his "War On Terror."
I am proud to have done my bit in home defence.
DoD is not a good steward of the public purse.
There is so much duplication of roles it's unreal.
The Army has an "air force," mostly of helicopters.
The Navy has an "army" (the Marine Corps) and its own sea-going "air force."
The Marine Corps has its own "air force," nominally part of the Navy, but dedicated to support of the Marines.
The Air Force has its own "army special operations" units (AFSOC).
The Coast Guard is a military service, but it is not part of DoD except in declared wartime.
The Army has both an Army Reserve (federal only) and an Army National Guard (state/federal). The Air Force has the same situation. Yes, the Guard is available for state duty but is more often deployed federally these days. In the Guard we used to joke about why a State Governor would need a wing of F-16's.
And all of those, with the exception of the Coast Guard, have a possible nuclear role, which is just nuts.
Canada in 1968 unified its Armed Forces to prevent these duplications. They went too far, even having them wear the same uniform, but by now it's shaken itself out...if it slings a rifle, it wears green and belongs to the Canadian Army. If it floats, it wears dark blue and belongs to the Royal Canadian Navy. If it flies, it wears light blue and belongs to the Royal Canadian Air Force. The RCAF provides ALL aircraft - the RCN or Army do not have their own.
If we would only go partially down that road, we would have so much left over for other things, not least the poor and needy, or at the very least improving the lives of service personnel. In many cases those at paygrade E-4 (Corporal/Specialist in the Army, Corporal in the Marines, Senior Airman in the Air Force, Petty Officer 3rd Class in the Navy/CG) are eligible for welfare benefits because their base pay is so low.
I will be the first to admit that there is a culture of glorification of the Armed Forces, mostly by the chickenshit chickenhawks on the far right who never served a day in uniform. They are the ones who usually call for unilateralist military action, because they have no idea of what it's like to actually be in battle. I learned on my first day of Basic Training that my life was no longer my own and I could be ordered to take another life or give my own...thank God that never happened.
The Constitution specifies that Congress holds the power to declare war, yet we have taken part in how many wars that were never declared? Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I & II, Afghanistan...even though the War Powers Resolution was supposed to prevent this!
We have not had a Constitutionally-declared war since...wait for it...1941, when we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbour. In response, Germany and Italy declared war on the United States, and we reciprocated.
As a former member of the Armed Forces, it sickens me to see how these men and women who (nowadays) voluntarily give up their lives and liberty are so often tools of the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about.
I guess we didn't learn anything from the man who wore five stars and oversaw the final destruction of Hitler's Third Reich...Ike knew all too well that there are human costs from military operations.
It's also devouring the world.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)What a pitiful resemblance of the great country we once were. Once a beacon to the tired, poor and huddled masses yearning to breathe free, now we wiretap friends as well as enemies, spy on our own citizens, give all to the corporations at the expense of the needy, and...well, generally suck.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)by a long shot. The countries that we are building a military to defeat are countries that we'd never be in a place to actually fight.
We need to worry about China? Ha! With their $3 trillion in US currency reserves they'd be ruined economically if there was ever a war between our two nations - not to mention how their demise would affect us economically.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)The defense industry lobbies for contracts for useless stuff that the military will never use or need. We build it and then send it straight to the boneyard.
While these contracts bleed the government's budget out, the targets of the lobbying and those in the defense industry make large amounts of cash.
Know how we used to make fun of the sheer absurdity of the Soviet production model? Ours is becoming just as ridiculous, but just in a different way.