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Russell Brand on MSNBC mocking media (Original Post) Bonobo Nov 2013 OP
I agree. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #1
STOP talking about me in 3rd person. I'm right here. lol nt Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #2
I can't tolerate that show even when Scarborough isn't there. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #3
I agree on all points. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #11
That was frackin' brilliant! The looks on their faces and ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #4
Russell Brand fan here Skittles Nov 2013 #5
Russell's a bit of alright! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #6
He Shreds Them & They Sit There Like Idiots In A Cage HangOnKids Nov 2013 #7
haha Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2013 #8
I had to listen multiple times to understand Brand's words, but once understood, they make sense. Scuba Nov 2013 #9
They're probably 'baffled' as well... CanSocDem Nov 2013 #10
It's Chelsea Manning. joshcryer Nov 2013 #12
I think he strikes the perfect tone of mocking. Bonobo Nov 2013 #14
He knows he's a flirt though. joshcryer Nov 2013 #15
Actually I knew nothing of him until about a week or so ago. Bonobo Nov 2013 #16
The beautiful part is it's easily tested. joshcryer Nov 2013 #17
If he wants revolution he can get it? Bonobo Nov 2013 #18
Yes. He's a millioniare. joshcryer Nov 2013 #19
Millions are a drop in the bucket. Now if he was a multi-billionaire, maybe... Bonobo Nov 2013 #21
Brand was he was active in the "Pick Up Artist" community before he was famous AngryAmish Nov 2013 #25
It's not a new video, so it may have been before Chelsea Manning assumed that name. CJCRANE Nov 2013 #37
After seeing this guy in a couple of movies.. sendero Nov 2013 #13
marking for later. i want to see this. but have a child with me now. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #20
I think Russell Brand needs to go to Congress Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #22
I think his nationality might prevent that, actually. MineralMan Nov 2013 #24
Not to join Congress, but in the capacity of a public speaker. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #32
I doubt he'll be invited to speak to Congress, really. MineralMan Nov 2013 #36
That was sweet! PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #23
asshole gopiscrap Nov 2013 #26
You're right, Mika was being an asshole. She wanted to condescend to him and try and make him Pisces Nov 2013 #29
yup gopiscrap Nov 2013 #30
You should right now go find his UK show 'Russell Brand's Got Issues' and watch some eipsodes Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #27
Thank you very much! I will! nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #28
Just Love Him "Russell"... ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #31
"This video does not exist" PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #34
Yea, I Had A Problem Too... ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #35
Was a while ago now. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #33

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
3. I can't tolerate that show even when Scarborough isn't there.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:36 AM
Nov 2013

I'm not a fan of Russell Brand, but he's dead-on about the inanity of this and most other "news" programs.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
7. He Shreds Them & They Sit There Like Idiots In A Cage
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:41 AM
Nov 2013

Really smart and insightful people can do that do morons. Go Russell, knock those fuckers down a couple of pegs. Love it.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. I had to listen multiple times to understand Brand's words, but once understood, they make sense.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:03 AM
Nov 2013

I understood the words of the rest of them the first time they spoke, but they never make sense.

Fun to watch Brand eviscerate them and they're too stupid to even know it's happening.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
10. They're probably 'baffled' as well...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:14 AM
Nov 2013


...with the accent, but being American television stars they naturally assume they are loved and that we care what they say.

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joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
12. It's Chelsea Manning.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:31 AM
Nov 2013

I suspected that Brand wasn't serious about this. The talking points are grand, but I am increasingly unimpressed by Brand's performance. We'll see how he does in the future.

I also wasn't pleased by his sexing up the woman commentators, then mocking them as they "played along." It was totally debasing. Yes, he was flirtatious, and yes they played along, even if they clearly looked uninspired, they played along for the "showmanship." It was disgusting.

Goddamnit Brand. Do better. This shit isn't a joke. You know the ideology, live it.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. I think he strikes the perfect tone of mocking.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:26 AM
Nov 2013

He does not take them seriously because the message is that they are not to be taken seriously.

We cannot fight with guns and bullets, we cannot even fight with votes.

The "NEWS" is supposed to have a mantle of seriousness and gravity. He rips it off them with his condescending mocking.

I think it was perfect.

As for "sexing" up the women,the point he was making was that they have already sexed themselves up -he did not do that. That is what THEY have chosen as their medium. He merely points it out and laughs at it.

He is the jester. He is sublime. And yes, I think he is serious as hell. He has chosen his role well.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
15. He knows he's a flirt though.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:48 AM
Nov 2013

And he used his flirtatious abilities. Frankly, I was swooning for him even in this video and even being a fan of him. It's cute. It's adorable. It makes you swoon. I think he used that against the women commentators. I don't know them, they might be shit journalists, but if I was one of them in front of Brand, the body language would've controlled me.

You act as if his behavior is new, no, that's who he is and has been. I frankly think he lacked introspection. He is, as others are, part of the Spectacle, and he should've realized it. It was perfectly possible for him to relate his views without triggering those emotional responses. Had he done that my respect would've been amplified 100x, but no, he kept playing the game.

I predict Brand's politics will have zero effect in the coming days, months, years. It's him, in my opinion, making a statement that returns the most money from his efforts. If he was serious he'd drop the bullshit macho-beta-style persona.

And he'd refer to Manning as Chelsea as she wishes.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
16. Actually I knew nothing of him until about a week or so ago.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:57 AM
Nov 2013

You know, I have spent many years out of the US and it leaves large gaps in my cultural literacy, so no, I did not know him.

You make interesting points. Is he part of the spectacle? Is he playing part of it so that he can dominate it? Is he poking fun? Is he introspective but trying to appear flippant? I find it very hard to say.

What I am certain of is that he is, as you say, an incredibly magnetic figure with a unique ability to warp reality around him or at least dominate a room with his powerful presence.

As for the "bullshit macho-beta style", I can't really say that I understand what you mean precisely. But even if I did, I would not necessarily agree that keeping it or dropping it reflects directly on the issue of whether he is serious or not. Like I said, I think he has a game plan and he is playing the role of the mythic Trickster, ala Loki or the Fox or Coyote. As such, being sexual is part of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

The trickster deity breaks the rules of the gods or nature, sometimes maliciously (for example, Loki) but usually with ultimately positive effects (though the trickster's initial intentions may have been either positive or negative). Often, the bending/breaking of rules takes the form of tricks (e.g. Eris) or thievery. Tricksters can be cunning or foolish or both; they are often funny even when considered sacred or performing important cultural tasks. An example of this is the sacred Iktomi, whose role is to play tricks and games and by doing so raises awareness and acts as an equalizer.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
17. The beautiful part is it's easily tested.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:00 AM
Nov 2013

We'll see in a very short period of time whether it's a tour thing o ra revolution thing.

That's what I love so much about it.

If he wants revolution he can get it.

He won't. I'm predicting it now.

edit: referring to Chelsea as Bradley is how I've come to this conclusion. It's not an error, Brand knows better, his internal conflicts revealed themselves. Watch and see Bonobo. There will be nothing. Trust it. Nothing will happen. I do not exaggerate. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will happen. I'd bet money but I don't believe in money.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
18. If he wants revolution he can get it?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:02 AM
Nov 2013

How do you figure that?

He may play at being a god, but he is not one.

Either his spark will ignite or it won't.

Either way, all he can do is try.

By the way, I do enjoy speaking civilly with you on a topic.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
19. Yes. He's a millioniare.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:13 AM
Nov 2013

He can form a group to bring revolution. This is unquestionable. Give me a couple of million dollars, I will change the world.

The metric: His efforts will make him more money than he spends. Watch carefully, it'll be so obvious. Don't fawn. Watch.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
21. Millions are a drop in the bucket. Now if he was a multi-billionaire, maybe...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:17 AM
Nov 2013

I don't think he is wealthy on THAT level, is he?

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
25. Brand was he was active in the "Pick Up Artist" community before he was famous
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:14 AM
Nov 2013

What he is doing to them is classic PUA stuff.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
37. It's not a new video, so it may have been before Chelsea Manning assumed that name.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:34 PM
Nov 2013

Also, in Brand's latest article (in the Guardian IIRC) he admits that he's flawed and sexist and there's an implication that he's trying to change.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
13. After seeing this guy in a couple of movies..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:51 AM
Nov 2013

... I thought he was a pretty boy lightweight actor.

After reading an interview with him I realized he's a genius of a sort.

It's so funny, in America (in the rest of the world, or the rest of the "developed" world or????) you ARE what you LOOK LIKE. I attribute this somewhat to TV and movies where certain characters almost always look a certain way. And I am as guilty of it as anyone.

But in the real world you can't tell much of anything about a person's mind by looking at them.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
29. You're right, Mika was being an asshole. She wanted to condescend to him and try and make him
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:43 AM
Nov 2013

look foolish and she ended up looking like a buffoon.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. You should right now go find his UK show 'Russell Brand's Got Issues' and watch some eipsodes
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:40 AM
Nov 2013

Start with the one called something like 'Is our obsession with beauty making us ugly' and go from there.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
31. Just Love Him "Russell"...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:08 PM
Nov 2013

My grandson sent me this link a couple of weeks ago. We talk politics all the time. I thanked him for the link, THEN told him to get his ASS in gear and go out and DO SOMETHING to change what's going on! He currently attends FSU so I told him he has thousands of people around him, so get to work! We have a very, very close relationship and he was my first grandchild!

Hope this still works.
http://m.



Giving this guy the "WTF" treatment.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
35. Yea, I Had A Problem Too...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:29 PM
Nov 2013

It was sent to my iphone & I had to access it that way. When I tried from my PC I got the same thing. Why is that?

I'm not all that "techy" but it works on my iphone. I want to send these others to my G-son so guess I need to send it to his email account.

Oh well, it was good!

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