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Many a naysay, oppenent, detractor and/or supporter/voter for Mitt Romney pompously stated that the Racketeering Mitt Romney case would never be filed. Then they said it would never see light of day; finding fault with the initial Romney RICO Complaint being a rant.
Turns out there's no Code & Rule of Law against ranting in one's initial civil complaint; especially when the allegations therein are true.
It is now OFFICIAL
- the Racketeering Lawsuit of Laser Haas v Mitt Romney is going forward.
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Haas v Romney
Case# 2:13-cv-7738
Federal District Court
Central Division - Spring Street
County of Los Angeles
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PRESS RELEASE
1st Amended Complaint Filed in Romney Rico Litigation
By Collateral Logistics, Inc.,
CEO Steven (Laser) Haas (laser.haas@yahoo.com)
November 6, 2013
Los Angeles On Romneys 1st Anniversary of his POTUS loss, a foe (Laser Steven Haas owner of eToys Collateral Logistics, Inc., {CLI}) filed an illuminating 1st Amended Complaint in the Los Angeles Federal District Court; which issued a New Case Order and specific instructions for the RICO trial. Laser Haas originally sued Romney for $100 million on October 18, 2013 for Racketeering Kay Bee, Stage Stores, Learning Company & eToys.
Nature of Proceeding
The case, initially held up several days for review, is now formally titled HAAS v ROMNEY and is assigned docket number 2:13-cv-07738 in the Los Angeles Division of Federal Dist. Ct.
Concerning Romneys tenure as CEO of Bain Capital in 2001, CLIs CEO Haas 1st Amended Complaint claims to clarify some of the mystery behind Mitts retroactivity lies upon Romneys sworn under Penalty of Perjury Fed Election Campaign Finance OGE 278 Form.
Civil Racketeering complaints permit a citizen plaintiff to become a Private Attorney General to address federal corruption issues that create Prosecutorial Gaps. Plaintiff Haas claims prosecution gaps immensely exist. The 1st Amended Complaint reveals details of possible federal corruption concerning Bain Capitals MNAT law firm arranging for one of their own (Colm F Connolly) to become the Delaware United States Attorney on August 2, 2001.
Summons Issued for Mitt Romney, Sachs, Colm Connolly, Michael Glazer, Paul Traub and Bain Capital
Summons's have been issued for Goldman Sachs (accused of fraud in eToys IPO & Bankruptcy case), Bain Capital (acquired Kay Bee in 2000) and Michael Glazer (CEO of Stage Stores and Kay Bee that acquired eToys) and eToys CEO Barry Gold (Glazers directors assistant at Stage Stores). Along with Paul Traub who confessed his secret partnership with Barry Gold. Also partners with Paul Traub is convicted fraudster Marc Dreier and Ponzi schemer Tom Petters. During the election quest, Traub was named as controller of Petters Ponzi. Noteworthy is the fact that Former U.S. Attorney Colm Connolly is called a Co-Defendant for blocking prosecutions of Goldman Sachs & Romneys Bain Capital.
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Romney's actions speak louder than his Flip Flopping words;
such as his stating (on camera) that No One goes after short term business.
Mitt is a "boss" Racketeer;
and the proof is about to be known!
Lawrence O'Donnell shows in this video;
what the real skinny of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital goals
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For those who care about the facts - I'm going to present some informative pieces about RICO in next threads. Meanwhile, if anyone would like to, you may look upon Chevron's Racketeering Complaint that is well over 100 pages too; but is done in 12 point font and utilizing footnotes single spaced. If it did its footnotes as complaint points double spaced and 14 Point Font (as is required by Los Angeles Court LOCAL RULES) - then the Chevron Complaint would make my Romney complaint pale in comparison.
http://www.chevron.com/documents/pdf/ecuador/StampedComplaint.pdf
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Wikipedia on Racketeering - Explaining the Fact it is about Conspiracies by Attorneys at Law
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- - Many a detractor in the comments below, are attempting to assuage you from curiosity and any hope of justice under the pretense that - because I'm going this alone, there's no truth to the tale!
Fortunately, the commenting bad faith parties are not the jury; and this case, G-d willing and justice permitting, is going to be a jury trial. As such, and because it is a "Civil" RICO case, I'm not required to provide proof beyond All reasonable doubt (though I CAN do so). The standard of proof and conviction is "preponderance of the evidence" (except in legal issues of Fed.R.Civ.P 9(b) - Mail/Wire Fraud - where I have to give EXACT dates/times - {AND I'm able to do that easily; because they did so in bankruptcy court with time/date stamps}).
Here is Wikipedia explaining Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations {"RICO"} ACT of 1970
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Violations of the RICO laws can be alleged in civil lawsuit cases or for criminal charges. In these instances charges can be brought against individuals or corporations in retaliation for said individuals or corporations working with law enforcement. Further, charges can also be brought against individuals or corporations who have sued or filed criminal charges against a defendant.
Anti-SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) laws can be applied in an attempt to curb alleged abuses of the legal system by individuals or corporations who utilize the courts as a weapon to retaliate against whistle blowers, victims, or to silence another's speech. RICO could be alleged if it can be shown that lawyers and/or their clients conspired and collaborated to concoct fictitious legal complaints solely in retribution and retaliation for themselves having been brought before the courts.
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The Morris Nichols Arsht & Tunnell ("MNAT" law firm is openly representing Bain Capital concerning the $83 million that Michael Glazer paid Bain (when he also paid himself an $18 million dollar bribe) - during the same time that MNAT is represent eToys in the sales of eToys public company and bankruptcy estate assets to Bain/ Kay Bee.
That is a CRIME!
When this was discovered and reported by yours truly;
MNAT responded by stealing my money in Retaliation.
Retaliation against a victim/witness is a Racketeering Crime!
Bankruptcy Fraud is a Racketeering Crime!
The way MNAT stole my life savings and the inheritance of my children/grand children;
is that Greg Werkheiser submitted a forgery to the court purportedly signed by me.
After MNAT had already CONFESSED lying under oath to the court 15 times;
Greg Werkheiser told the court that I "waived" my rights to $3.7 million in fees & expenses.
Then, an MNAT partner who worked with Greg Werkheiser on the case (Colm Connolly);
was arranged to become the Delaware United States Attorney on August 2, 2001.
Romney claims he retired from Bain Capital in August 2001;
back to February 11, 1999 - "retroactively".
Could Al Capone "retroactively" retire from his organized crimes?
OF course not!
Can MNAT benefit from not being prosecuted for confessing to Perjury in federal court;
because an MNAT partner (Colm Connolly) was made to become the U.S. Attorney
who then buried the case from investigation and/or prosecution for 7 years?
Of course not!
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All bad faith parties who want to brown nose Romney & his Gang;
avoid these facts that are irrefutable (public docket records).
Please don't let them get away with it;
because they are mean, hateful and have veiled agendas?
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Proof that MNAT works (secretly) for Goldman Sachs
(that took eToys public for $85 per share; but eToys got less than $20)
MNAT confessed the secret years later in 2005 during Deposition
http://petters-fraud.com/MNAT_deposition_Feb9_2005.pdf
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Proof that yours truly is the one who pointed out the CRIME fact
MNAT works for Bain (that owns Kay Bee)
and Paul Traub (who worked for Romney and Glazer at Stage Stores)
wanted to be the one to Prosecute Glazer and Bain $100 million fraud
and eToys was sold to Bain/ Kay Bee with MNAT reducing prices.
http://petters-fraud.com/ClockedCopyHAASmotionKBcaseMisPrisionFelony.pdf
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Proof that the Delaware Dept of Justice had that evidence Stricken/Expunged from the record
http://petters-fraud.com/KenneyKB_Obstruction_2228.pdf
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MNAT also (illegally) sought for the evidence in eToys to be destroyed;
like Romney did in the Olympics and Governors computer hard drives.
http://petters-fraud.com/MNAT_Motion_Destruction_Books_n_Records.pdf
So, I ask you - how is it that the naysayers claim there's NO Merits to the case?
If these facts are not merit enough - then perhaps proof that Romney's MNAT law firm;
had one of their own arranged to become U.S. Attorney - is the nail in the coffin of BS.
Colm Connolly was a partner of MNAT from 1999 to August 2001;
and then he became the United States Attorney on August 2, 2001.
Romney claims to be "retroactively" retired from Bain as CEO (when the crimes occurred)
from August 2001; back to February 11, 1999.
Here's the Federal Governments permanent ARCHIVE of Colm Connolly's Resume.
http://www.justice.gov/archive/olp/colmconnollyresume.htm
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I'm just sayin......................
Its schemes they be a playin.................
N'est-ce pas!
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UPDATE
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Links to Court "Clocked" Copies of Amended Complaint.
http://petters-fraud.com/haas_v_romney_1st_amended_complaint_nov6_2013_timestamped_part1.pdf
http://petters-fraud.com/haas_v_romney_1st_amended_complaint_nov6_2013_timestamped_part2.pdf
http://petters-fraud.com/haas_v_romney_1st_amended_complaint_nov6_2013_timestamped_part3.pdf
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randome
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laserhaas
(7,805 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I wish for nothing more.
Will accept Nothing Less!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)The evidence is too overwhelming, profuse and irrefutable;
they CAN"T permit this to go to trial.
- Only 25% settlement chance (too dumb to settle so far - don't expect smarts now)
- 25% Corruption will get case tossed (or forced back to corrupt DE realm)
- 20% Chance Feds will wake up and see Billions of $ in Criminal RICO begging
- 30% Odds that the messenger will be nixed to quash the message
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G-d and his universe got me this far;
in a battle of an amoeba vs a horde of Goliath's.
We'll see!
dotymed
(5,610 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)the final one resulting in an order of dismissal without leave to amend.
100% chance that you will consider an appeal.
100% chance that you will be back claiming that there are naysayers.
On the other hand, if no sanctions are imposed on your and your get publicity, who cares?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)as for appeal - already prepared (as any prudent person should be)
While your remark about naysay - is the pot calling the cackle????
And obviously, you care enough to try to help the bad guys defeat the message.
Don't wish you success with that bad faith effort....
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)conventional, meritorious cases from going forward in an expeditious manner.
There are bona fide lawsuits involving Civil Rights violations, labor law violations, etc. Yours isn't one of them. That much can be seen from looking at the complaint.
So you are now celebrating that your original complaint is not going forward and you've been allowed to file your first Amended Complaint. Soon, if Judge Wilson is not amused to the point where he will simply allow your case to go forward for a while before dismissing it without leave to amend, you'll have another chance to celebrate.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)to beat up on a victim; with the veiled agenda of helping career crooks get away with organized crimes!
N'est-ce pas!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)He's already been barred from MD courts as a vexatious litigant. He misrepresents his role in the eToys BK and his claims of being cheated are nothing more than his own oversights biting him in the butt. Basically his complaint is a rambling, incoherent mess of grandiose claims with no testable substance. His website and "graphics" are the sort of hot mess one finds when dealing with obsessed personality disorders. He needs help, not DU recs.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)desire to destroy the message.
Case was never in MD (Maryland court)
And your the one that needs help - as you haven't yet gotten the memo/message - your guy
Romney - Didn't Make It!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)researched and debunked on dailykos, RW bastion that it is.
You need to step back and stop obsessing. This is self-destructive.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Richardo
(38,391 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Core wecht lee
snooper2
(30,151 posts)FYI
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Until then - considered yourself as No 1 on the full of bull out to destroy the messenger list
and forevermore - Ignored for your ignorance.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)My curiosity has been piqued so I've been casually poking around for additional info
This is an outside media article on the initial case --
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/news/etoys-investors-claim-conflict-at-law-firm-592819/
It's also made mention in the WSJ. So there's there there, just how much is the question.
Since then Mr. Haas, who apparently files court documents using his superhero name, has produced/utilized other resources --
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Steven-Haas/1354174894
If I understand this correctly the above link was a pleading filed in New York --
As of this writing I am unaware of the disposition of this particular case, I only have my assumptions. Still, the pleading at the link is a glowing tribute to undefined complaints written in an untidy amalgam of pseudo-legalese and street vernacular. I beg you, please read it.
And then this ties in, somehow --
http://petters-fraud.com/
One would think that after being on the case for a decade or so a little editing would have come into play. I think the website speaks for itself. Again, please, see for yourself.
A less "busy" and less advocacy-minded summation of Le Affaire d' Petters --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Petters
BTW -- his press release states he is CEO of Collateral Logistics, Inc. but every reference to CLI I can find outside of this case show CLI as inactive and having no named officers --
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Santa-Clarita/collateral-logistics-inc/43407676.aspx
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From DUer jberryhill --
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/30/1242491/-U-S-Trustee-Motion-v-Paul-Traub-Slapping-Wrist-of-Perjury-Fraud
CLI didn't file its claims properly. CLI failed to hire a lawyer, which is required because a corporation has to be represented by a lawyer in bankruptcy court. Because CLI didn't follow the rules, CLI didn't get paid what you thought it should have been paid.
You, as owner and officer of CLI, blew it.
So you've cooked up conspiracy theory in which you play a lead role so that you can claim you were victimized by Bain, Romney, Goldman Sachs, and their law firms.
I've read the relevant court documents. Whatever shenanigans MNAT and Traub were engaged in--and they were forced by the court to disgorge fees--are irrelevant to your postion, because you and CLI screwed up.
Get over yourself.
From the docket of DE BK Bankruptcy Petition #: 01-00706-MFW
12/06/2012
(3 pgs) Order DENYING Motion of Steven Haas and it is FURTHER ORDERED that any future pleadings filed by Mr. Haas in this case shall be deemed STRICKEN and returned without docketing (related document(s)2478, 2481, 2484, 2485, 2486) Order Signed on 12/6/2012. (CAF) (Entered: 12/06/2012)
WHEREAS, to the extent that the Haas Motion is a claim on behalf of Mr. Haas as an individual, that claim is barred because it was filed almost a decade after the Bar Date and Mr. Haas has been actively involved in this case and never asserted any individual claim; and
WHEREAS, Mr. Haas numerous filings in this case are repetitive, without merit, and border on harassment; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to the All Writs Act, the Court has the power to bar further pleadings by Mr. Haas in these
circumstances, see 28 U.S.C. § 1651(a); United States v. Gomez-Rosario, 418 F.3d 90, 101 (1st Cir. 2005) (holding that courts have the ability to enjoin a pro se party from filing frivolous and vexatious pleadings); Shafii v. British Airways, PLC, 83 F.3d 566, 571 (2d Cir. 1996) (noting that an injunction is appropriate where a litigant engages in filing of repetitive and frivolous lawsuits); Cok v. Fam. Ct., 985 F.2d 32, 34 (1st Cir. 1993) (Federal courts plainly possess discretionary powers to regulate the conduct of abusive litigants.); In re Oliver, 682 F.2d 443, 445 (3d Cir. 1982) (holding that an injunction restricting filings was necessary where the pleadings constituted a continuous pattern of groundless and vexatious litigation); therefore, it is hereby
ORDERED
that the Haas Motion is DENIED; and it is further
ORDERED
that any further pleadings filed by Mr. Haas in this case shall be deemed stricken; and it is further
ORDERED
that the Clerks Office is hereby directed to return, without docketing, any further pleadings which Mr. Haas may file in this case.
There is a festival of fun in that case, and in several others, including the one where it finally got through to him that in order to appear as a corporate party, he needed to hire a lawyer. His lawyer shortly thereafter petitioned to be excused because he was driving the lawyer bananas.
So, since he can't file anything in the DE bankruptcy court anymore, he picked up the show and filed this new hot mess in California which, if you read the minimally coherent bits of it, is largely premised on not getting what he wanted out of the court in Delaware.
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I went to your link and clicked on his username to see his profile --
Fighting Bain & Goldman Sachs, their attorneys and duplicitous federal agents because no one else will. A series of battles that has thrusted my enemies to include a Presidential wannabe. A lonely place - but a very opportune 1!
Real Name: Laser the Liquidator
DOB: 10-31-19sumthin
Gender: Male
Location: Europa
Occupation: Get Bain & Goldman Sachs Investigated
Groups: WeeklyBUG, Abolish the Death Penalty, Whistleblowers Round Table, Occupy Wall Street, Foreclosure and Renters Rights and Battles, Citizens Against Tryanny Cronyism & Corruption, Mitt Romney Bain Chronicles, Police Accountability Group, Occupying with Laser, The Bain Files, Occupying Robber Baron Romney n His RICO Gang, Too Big to Fail and Too Corrupt to Jail
Hobbies: End White Collar Fraud
Home Page: http://www.laserhaas.wordpress.com
Twitter: laserhaas01
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"Laser the Liquidator"
I trying to imagine if that is with or without a cape.
Anyway, about half way down you see the link for his homepage -- http://www.laserhaas.wordpress.com
So, I went to his homepage. In the masthead he quotes the Declaration of Independence. No real harm in that except the passage he selected is rather...militant --
It seems "troubling" that a person seeking judicial relief has an unction to armed revolutionary action.
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Then I started to have serious misgivings about your well being --
This is no longer fun. The more I read of his writings and bizarre organizational charts the more convinced I am that we are dealing with an obsessive personality with delusions of grandeur and feelings of persecution. I honestly, honestly worry he may not accept the inevitable peacefully.
For the sake of cronyism, tyranny and corruption to protect MNAT and its clients.
As a result the Dept of Justice rogue elements have broken the Law so profusely and docket record substantiated overwhelmingly that MNATs secret clients Goldman Sachs and BAIN are getting away with organized crime.
WARNING there are rogue elements within the Dept of Justice seeking to subvert the Constitution of the United States for veiled agendas sake contrary to Congressional Law! During his tenure at the Delaware Department of Justice, US Attorney Colm Connollys office repeatedly declined to investigate and prosecute the MNAT law firm.
Keep in mind, Haas' only role in this was to provide transportation and security for the as yet unsold assets of eToys, i.e. product and later office furniture. In other words, he was to hire and administrate the elderly security guard napping at the warehouse every night as well as procure the occasional moving van.
Kossack, VetGrl, has an excellent summation -- http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1167910/48680260#c39
But this has been gnawing at him for over a decade. He has lied about his role in the eToys liquidation and is saying that the rule of law has been so deeply subverted with veiled agendas he's quoting the Declaration of Independence about the duty of throwing off the bonds of government.
And for what?
A website that sold Bob the Builder toys and ant farms. That's what all this is about. This is the deepest deep conspiracy that almost ruled the US that is worthy of a James A. Michener novel.
People need to stop cheering this. He doesn't need applause, he needs help and those who are egging him on my soon find they have cheered for a tremendous tragedy.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)Thanks.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You are bang on correct. Although it was the DE federal bankruptcy court which barred him from filing as a vexatious litigant.
A good chunk of this "complaint", such as it is, relates to the DE court proceedings which, as you probably know, cannot be challenged in a CA court.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and that does NOT bode well for your defeating quest
Berlum
(7,044 posts)The RepubliWankers really need to abandon their wicked ways, and try embracing American values like honesty, integrity, respect and personal responsibility.
Otherwise they will roAst in teh fiery pit O' Hell for alL eTerniTy, as the Preacher Men hath wArneD all mortal siNNerS. You kNow.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I'm going to hit you over the head with this book and my babbling Bull [c]hit;
until I've taken everything you own and made you my slave for all eternity.
You know - in that 'Magic Underwear - I'm going to be a god someday - kind of way'
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Much
dembotoz
(16,796 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Let's see how much Pitten's likes it rubbed in his face - that he lost because of little ole truths;
and his getting slapped/"puck'd around with...
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usaf-vet
(6,178 posts).... Wisconsin has a lot of it own very special corrupt politicians. I hope that the new John Doe II investigations leads to RICO charges.
Here are some places to start:
http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-return-of-walkergate.html
http://expressmilwaukee.com/article-22099-the-new-john-doe-investigation.html
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/11/12293/kohler-heir-walker-supporter-plunges-dark-money-depths
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I took months to learn and review
and still continue to learn more.
The LAW is our friend;
it is the keepers of the law that is our enemy...
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)If he's lucky, he'll merely have his case dismissed without having Rule 11 sanctions imposed on him.
Watch, he'll be back to tell us about the motion(s) to dismiss and how unfair the judge was to him.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)To fill in "Prosecutorial Gaps" of syndicated criminal efforts too powerful to be prosecuted regularly.
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thanks much - for stopping by.....
rurallib
(62,401 posts)as I will be rooting for you
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Very, VERY - Much!
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)And people say there are no such thing as dragonslayers.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Now I gotta go find that inflexible sword of truth;
and fry Romney's but hole with it.
Kinda in the same way Matrix 1 - made Mr. Smith end
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)As a student of the mechanics of swords I have to say inflexible equals brittle. The best swords (ie. Katana's, Damascus steel scimitars, Norse, etc) used a blend of, or stacked different tempers to get the best of flexibility and edge retention.
Be strong enough to survive impact, flexible enough to resist stress, keen enough to bite deep, and have enough spring to return to true for the next stroke.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is an immortal sword of truth.
I'm never "flexible" on verity;
but I'm always willing to settle this - as long as certain conditions are met - to assure it's not bribery.
Capone can't write me a "cost of doing business payment" to make me rich;
and continue to steal from everyone else!
TheJames
(120 posts)Give the scum hell!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)unionthug777
(740 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I'm going to need help to see this through.
That being said, thus far, the Judge has been 100% kosher;
and that is ALL I've ever needed - is just one pure day in court.
2naSalit
(86,496 posts)and thank you for keeping his bad side in the public eye!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)G-d willing....
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)May the Force be with you, laserhaas!!!!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)that is how we've gotten this far.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It was true - I had to rush in the first filing and it was a bad rant.
This one - took a week - and I've tried my best to "tell the story"
the proofs will come out at trial (if I'm ever allowed to have one).
Please review it and give me an honest appraisal of what you think?
http://petters-fraud.com/haas_v_romney_1st_amended_complaint_filed_november6_2013.pdf
(NOTE: - Romney has billions of dollars and Mitt owns 800 Clear Channel stations - chances are, as this case progresses forward and gets more attention; Rush Limbaugh and gang will probably show pictures of me (like Schwarzenegger's "Running Man" film) - of having sex with Bambi while in Transylvania castle's.
Of course it won't matter that I've never been to Transylvania and Bambi is a fictional character; 47% of the country is going to believe what Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck say).
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That is how he made his money. He would take controlling interest in a company, max out their credit cards, then strip and sell all of the assets. The company, unable to pay the debt, would go bankrupt and either the taxpayers would get stuck with the bill or the company would fold.
Busting out companies is how the mafia make money. It's what the do in the movie 'Good fellas'. It's racketeering.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)is the fact that Romney is the "boss" of the BANKRUPTCY RING of fraudsters.
And YES - they get their hooks in a company, bleed it out and then file bankruptcy.
They have also found a way to even loot Federal Bankruptcy Estates;
by keeping them open for years.
As a matter of fact, the original Kay Bee and eToys cases;
have been open for more a decade now.
PLUS - Kay Bee and eToys have been in bankruptcy multiple times;
and wound BACK at Bain (now under Toys R Us).
HENCE - Toys R Us is in possession of the stolen property of eToys!
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)A little exposure of the former sewer dweller candidate couldn't hurt. And please believe me, I mean no offense to rats living in sewers.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)in stations like The Weather Channel.
Spoke directly to Rachel's staff - they won't let her air it - until some other media "makes" the story
Also had several conversations with James (Ed Schultz's Producer);
they want to do the story; but NBC's GC won't give it clearance.
Be patient - the closer we get to trial - the more anxious the media will get to tell the story.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)FSogol
(45,464 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Romney and BAIN Capital
Goldman Sachs
and Paul Traub.
Orrex
(63,185 posts)Best of luck to you! I've been following your story for some time and am glad to see it coming to a head!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Hopefully, it is well worth the wait.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Best of luck in taking on McBain and the plutocracy.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and RMoney's number 1 pain....
grantcart
(53,061 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)If you have time to read the Amended Complaint
you'll see what everyone heretofore - didn't know.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)Good luck with it... to my eyes the filing (at lease the first 8-10 pages) reads more like a DU post - complete with awkward neologisms like 'Dealaware', inexplicable font changes, and provocative references to Frank Nitti, fraudsters, etc. Most legal filings I've read are more dry and objective-sounding recitations of facts.
As I say, good luck with it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's a crank lawsuit.
Nobody said it "couldn't be filed". For $300, anything can be filed in a federal court.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)FSogol
(45,464 posts)Nothing more than DU's own version of Orly Tai... (I better not say it)
grantcart
(53,061 posts)OT are off base.
The facts are that Bain's raid on KB Toys was highly unethical if not illegal.
KB Toys had already gone through a buy out with a private equity firm.
They went through 'creative destruction' in 1996 Melville Corporation sells the company to Consolidated, and they strip it down:
In 1996, after an aborted attempt in 1995 to spin off Kay-Bee Toys, the Melville Corporation decided to sell the chain of 1,045 stores to Consolidated Stores Corporation for about $300 million. Consolidated already operated Toys Liquidators, Toys Unlimited, and the Amazing Toy Store close-out stores, as well as general retailers Odd Lots, Big Lots, All for One, and the It's Really $1.00 stores. William Kelley, chief executive officer and chairman of Consolidated's board, said in a New York Times article that he expected the combined businesses to offer 'a great deal of synergy.' Kay-Bee, under the direction of president Michael Glazer, continued to be run as a separate business within Consolidated's new Toy Division despite talk of its merging with their Toy Liquidators chain. Immediately after the sale, the stock of Consolidated surged upward. (my comment: hardly the sign of a company in trouble or needing further creative destruction)
Enter Bain Capital who papered the purchase of $ 300 million with only $ 15 million cash and then pull out $ 85 million cash in dividends. They load KB with unnecessary debt to finance their cash depletion and this takes a perfectly healthy company into bankruptcy only 4 years after Bain purchased it.
Who is left with the debt? Probably suppliers, landlords and employees.
If you rob a liquor store you will get 5 years but when you take a healthy toy store and take all its cash drive it into bankruptcy and leave a bunch of other people holding the paper there is no accountability.
Again you may be right in that the legal challenges may not bear fruit, but they should. What happened here should have merited severe civil penalties at the least.
This isn't even in the same universe as OT.
I rec'd it not for where the legal issues are but where they should be. There should be legal accountability for what Bain did at KB.
More details here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511407
FSogol
(45,464 posts)following a destructive business model. This case against him is pure nonsense and will be quickly thrown out.
Have you seen this on the case:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1167910/48680260#c39
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Seems to be a credible source.
This appears to be the meat of it:
Again, transportation and security services and managing the sale of FF&E and inventory that hadn't been sold at auction. This narrow range of authority comes nowhere near the claim that Haas was the head honcho at eToys. More to the point of the Haas story, the agreements make clear that Haas was without authority regarding the auctions, the terms of the KB Toys bid, or the investigation into the financial affairs of eToys.
My point is really only about comparing Haas to OT. She is a lunatic that simply makes things up that rational people know to be true.
The charge here is that Haas is exaggerating his role and doesn't have a claim. Could be true but isn't in the Orly neighborhood.
Moreover the basic 'crime' remains; Bain took a profitable company, pumped the cash out and left creditors with worthless paper. This may not be the right lawsuit but there should be A lawsuit by those whose pockets were picked.
I assume that all lawsuits against Bain will fail because they paid good money for their legal advice and I am sure stayed within the law.
(I also assume that George Bush never signed a single document that could get him in legal trouble for the same reason, his father made sure that he had a legal authority giving him sound advice for everything he signed. I wonder when Cheney realized that Bush who he considered a light weight had delegated all the dirty work to him and that if there was a legal prosecution it would be Cheney holding the bag)
Bottom line the suit may not be legally viable but it continues to shine a light (even indirectly) on something that should be a crime and in that way should not be lumped in with OT.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)And, yet, over 105 recs and counting! It's nearly the #1 story on DU!
ETA: How absurd is that considering absolutely anything else that could have that exposure on DU's Greatest Page and probably home page too, though I haven't checked that.
COME ON PEOPLE, REALLY???
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Shocked that a highly rec'd OP is based on a factual inaccuracy?
It happens quite a bit.
Here is one that defies math:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3974549
This may not be the right lawsuit on KB Toys (a point I already conceded) but when Bain pumped cash out of a healthy company and drove it into an unnecessary bankruptcy there should be a lawsuit, but as we all know guys like Romney always have the best lawyers and are never held accountable.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)and I decided to be the board jester for this useless OP.
That Bain and Romney have not been held to account for their predatory practices is as absurd as "Laser the Liquidator" ( ) winning his de-barred case-without-merit, itself a warped attempt at extortion, I would think.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Again, I admire and respect you greatly, which is why I have to point out that this guy's claim is premised on an expectation he would profit FROM THE BANKRUPTCY.
If someone sued Germany for unpaid wages as a concentration camp guard, I would not be saying, "It's about time this injustice was addresssed."
grantcart
(53,061 posts)you do realize that I have conceded the point just didn't like the OT link?
The irony is that our friendly discussion has kept kicking it and the link got another 15 kicks, lol.
You may appreciate comment on #100
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You are one of the most intelligent people on DU.
Do you know why this guy has been engaging in these ridiculous legal gyrations for most of a decade? Have you asked yourself that question?
He's not upset about the bankruptcies.
He's not upset about the people thrown out of work and the companies destroyed.
He is not seeking "legal accountability for what Bain did at KB".
His company was hired to move some furniture during a bankruptcy. He had a one or two month contract (I'd have to go back and check, but it's a minor detail), to move some furniture. That's what he was in the business of doing.
He claims he didn't get paid, and he's trying to recover on a weeks long contract from 2000 - a claim long past time-barred now - because he was looking to make some money from what Bain was doing to KB Toys.
Get a grip on reality, Grant. The OP was one of the vultures who wanted to feed on the carcass.
On edit: Yes, the link to the original contract is posted above. He was hired to move furniture for 60 days as part of the liquidation.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)A healthy company worth $ 300 million was paid for with $ 15 million cash and Bain pumped out $ 85 million in cash dividends.
The added debt forced the company into bankruptcy.
Creditors (I am assuming landlords, employees and suppliers) were left with worthless paper.
You are probably right about the legal standing of this particular lawsuit, I welcome any effort to bring to light the actions taken by Bain against KB Toy and the creditors they robbed.
I also assume that Bain paid well for the legal advice for their actions and will prevail.
My comment wasn't about the validity of the lawsuit (I concede that point) but
You may be right about the potential of the lawsuit but I think that your comparisons to OT are off base.
Do you really think that a lawsuit that apparently exaggerates the plaintiffs contractual role in an auction is the same as Orly Taitz manufacturing lies about the President's country of birth?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)racing to the top of the Greatest Page.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)A crime is committed when a bank is robbed too. But if the getaway driver doesn't get his fair cut of the proceeds, we don't ordinarily rally to see that "justice is done" so the guy gets paid.
When the guy at the impound lot sues the city for uncollected payments, he is not the hero of people wronged by draconian parking laws.
Again, you seem not to understand the OP's (very minor) role in the Bain shenanigans.
Repetitive frivolous litigation undertaken by obsessive pro se litigants for no valid reason other than to grandstand on the Internet is exactly what Orly Taitz, Larry Klayman, and other similarly disturbed individuals do.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)on September 2012
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829?page=3
You have hit the nail on the proverbial head 'grantcart'
As Taibbi reiterates what I pointed out in 2005;
again in 2012 (but to a MUCH larger audience)
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829page=3#ixzz2jzd1IA76
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
[br]
You are also correct that if anyone else did this - they'd go to jail for 100 years;
but not Above the Law Mitt the Pitts Romney & Gang
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....and it just turns into a wishful thinking shitshow
Remember the time Paul Ryan beat up a woman in a restaurant in Cape Cod? When the House was debating the debt ceiling?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)The Romney camp won't spend much money on lawyers in this case!
proReality
(1,628 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)we need fingers crossed and a whole bunch of people paying attention to the one thing the RWNJ and naysayers never want one to see
FACTS
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I look forward to updates as you move forward on this! Please do let us know how it plays out!
Your tenacity and determination will get you through!
Julie
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thanks
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)who recced this are all listed for all to see!
Hahahahahahahaha!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Granted, most folks don't wade through any of this to figure out what it is about.
But since the OP comes back every couple of months and weeks with new tales of derring-do, you'd think there might be an inkling of recognition of Baron von Munchausen after a while.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)not so duped and gullible as to fall for this neurotic crap.
"Laser the Liquidator" !!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Look out Mitt & Company, the Laser is about to Liquidate you!!! Hahahaha!
I'm going to save that DU Rec list for future reference! Apparently I don't know some of those like I thought I did!
LOL!
FSogol
(45,464 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)exposed as being baseless, obsessive tripe.
FSogol
(45,464 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...hahahahahahaaa!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)http://j-walk.com/other/conf/
The 3rd Annual Nigerian
EMail Conference
"Write better emails. Make more moneys."
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)FSogol
(45,464 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)much mirth and laughter
Ironically it may the most useful thing I do today.
With the additional details from the dailykos link I considered taking my rec back, but now feel that I have to keep it up as a public service!!!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)How about a facepalm?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)oh my. oh oh oh oh. please please please please make Romney give up some of his precioussssssssss.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)True or not, false or what, it made me feel happy and it is not impossible that one day these fucker grand thieves like Romney get caught and pay. Laugh away...
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)not butt-hurt, I'm just having a rare moment of fun.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Lord of the RICO'fings
Response to laserhaas (Original post)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)that site, along with his court filings, seem to speak to a manifestly disordered, obsessive mind. The result in inevitable and he will only grow angrier and more delusional. Coupled with the fact he has made allusions to violent acts he could hurt himself and others.
This is very serious and very dangerous.
Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #108)
laserhaas This message was self-deleted by its author.
malaise
(268,844 posts)Hope you win
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and I'm close to winning the Civil War.
Stay Tuned!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)onenote
(42,660 posts)I've been a practicing attorney for 35 years and I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I suppose it means that the case has been docketed, which means that it meets the requirements (which have absolutely zero to do with the substantive merits of the claim) for filing --signature, filing fee or pro se declaration, etc.
As for the "New Case Order" -- that is a pro forma procedural order issued in essentially that format by certain district courts (including the court with which the OP filed his/her complaint. It signifies nothing about the merits of the case.
I'm not excusing anything that romney and/or bain may have done, but based on my experience, and reading this complaint, I'would not be surprised in the slightest if the complaint is tossed out on the merits in short order.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I'm sure this stuff is way above your head.
Except for the want of circling the wagons to protect attorneys benefiting from;
corruption, power and money.
onenote
(42,660 posts)If you did, you could explain to me and the rest of DU what made your case "official" and what its status was before it was "official".
And if you think that anything that has been done with your complaint up to this point has any bearing whatsoever on its merits or lack thereof, you are very misinformed.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)As your words are verbatim;
[br]
[hr][br]
You are touting to this community that you are an attorney for 35 years.
Thus (apparently) you are implying that you are an expert of the issues at hand.
While your reflection "complaint is tossed out on the merits in short order";
infers that my Complaint has no merits whatsoever.
(After it was officially docketed after being held under review for a week)
However, being that the attorneys have confessed lying under oath;
and you've offered no evidence to the contrary of such
- Nor have you (counselor) provide a "legal"/proper foundation for why they should get away 'Scot Free'.
Thus, having documented all your expertise and "your" case against "the" case;
how would you grade your chances with the jury?
Especially given the fact that no party has filed any motion to quash, Demurer or Summary Judgment - YET!
onenote
(42,660 posts)While courts, including the court in which you filed, generally say that they will offer pro se litigants leeway in formulating a complaint, my experience is that courts really don't have a lot of patience with long, rambling complaints, which I think is an apt descripton of your complaint. It is a fact that such complaints get tossed out more often than they proceed to trial.
By short order, i did not mean to suggest that the court would throw out the complaint before a motion was filed, although the courts have such power if they choose to use it in circumstances where they feel it is an appropriate use of their inherent authority to manage cases.
In your case, I have no way of knowing whether the court has reviewed your complaint for anything more than its compliance with the minimal procedural standards applicable to pro se complaints. They may well have engaged in a preliminary screening to determine whether it meets the courts substantive pleading standards (e.g., does it provide sufficient notice to each defendant of the basis of the alleged liability and not rely on legal conclusions in lieu of factual allegations) and decided it should be allowed to proceed to the stage of service of process and answer/motion to dismiss. I would expect the defendants' to move to dismiss and, as I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the court, at that juncture, tosses the complaint. I think if you checked, you would find that the won/lost record of pro se litigants is not very good.
Please keep us informed as to the case's progress (i.e., if/when the complaints are served and what response(s) the defendants make,etc.).
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)As for the "factual allegations" - as the judge said in Host Hotels sanction of Boies
This is not ethical rocket science!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What odds would you give a complaint filed in the USDC for the Central District of California, wherein the primary cause of action relates to having been barred from filing papers in the US Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware as a vexatious litigant?
onenote
(42,660 posts)I handled a case for a client in a different district court (District of Mass) in which a pro se litigant with a litigious history, filed a complaint alleging RICO, fraud, Sherman Act and other violations against a list of individuals and companies that included his cable operator, ebay, google, paypal, and some banks. I never got a chance to file a motion to dismiss on behalf of my client. First the court ordered the complainant to amend his complaint to comply with the substantive pleading standards of the court. Then after the plaintiff filed an amended complaint that was only slightly less rambling, the court, citing its inherent authority to manage cases, dismissed the complaint with prejudice on its own motion.
Judges don't like these sorts of unmanageable complaints that throw around broad conspiracy allegations that would be nearly impossible for a defendant to respond to cogently.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It requires 2 or more "predicate [felony] acts" (as per 18 USC 1961) during a "protracted" period of time.
Though it is not a requisite, I started the beginning of my Amended Complaint signed "Under Penalty of Perjury"; because - EVERYTHING stipulated therein is the Truth. I won't mix bull[c]hit with ice cream.
It would serve justice and DU well that (instead of just tossing out general allegations) - you were to be case point specific on the individual points of contention (allegations).
I challenge you - or ANYONE - to be fact specific and find one single, solitary contention to be untrue!
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)HINT -- His initial filing was 2 hyperlinks at 50 pages a link. His amended complaint, shown in post #159, now requires 3 links.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)A Racketeering Case, by its very nature - is a Conspiracy Complaint.
The COURT has a standing RICO Case Statement Order that one details the conspiracies in full.
IT IS REQUIRED - that one delve into every Defendants scheme and even detail "co-conspirators" and their schemes!
Chevron RICO Complaint against other attorneys was 265 pages....
This is why you and your band of snide victim abusers won't stick with the facts;
you are too happy being with the mob and kicking someone when they are down.
Can't do that - if you permit everyone to look at the true picture of the civil beatings.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)by attorneys who use the courts to abuse a whistleblower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
Anti-SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) laws can be applied in an attempt to curb alleged abuses of the legal system by individuals or corporations who utilize the courts as a weapon to retaliate against whistle blowers, victims, or to silence another's speech. RICO could be alleged if it can be shown that lawyers and/or their clients conspired and collaborated to concoct fictitious legal complaints solely in retribution and retaliation for themselves having been brought before the courts.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)We question you having any evidence that this law was broken WRT your stated complaint. Your filings are nothing more than hundreds of pages of you reciting "They're bad people" with as much verbosity as possible. That's not evidence, it's just rambling.
Question -- if the case goes as I and several others suspect will you accept the decision or will this just deepen the conspiracy?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)You ARE on the WRONG side of the FENCE here;
and losing/digging a deeper hole for yourself
with every false type and veiled agenda worthless.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Cause the FACTS have you by the proverbial's....
Do you like to eat crow al dente or ala mode?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)...I offer as Proof Positive (PROVES) evidence of Fraud and Corruption, and ask all to review such. For every time I, or the eToys shareholders, offer a document, they state it is not documented correctly and seek to "Strike" such statements of fact: review of the eToys Court Dockets as listed on Pacer will establish this. Such collective documents shall be labeled as PROOF Positive since FACTS are admissions that PROVES that GOLD and TRAUB are related, that MNAT defends GOLD & TRAUB to the detrement of their own client(s), that KENNEY and the US Trustee office in Wilmington Delaware sit idle in light of 50 different incidents of False Oaths, False Declarations, Failure to Disclose, Scheme to Fix Fee's, and more. That the this KB case needs to be aware of such FACTS as GOLD is directly tied to Bain Capital & KB and the subterfuge, the specious activities, occurring repetitively as habit and nature of this group/associates and the Public appointed WATCHDOG of KENNEY as US Trustee representative which are materially adverse conflicts to the KB case.
http://petters-fraud.com/ClockedCopyHAASmotionKBcaseMisPrisionFelony.pdf
Emphasis added.
Disregarding the run-on sentences, bad spelling, random capitalization, bad syntax, verb-noun confusion, argument by assertion and disconnected statements all we have is: you filed an unsupported rant and it was struck down as such. You then claim the fact that it was struck down makes it proof and demand the court admit as evidence what it had already dismissed as lacking evidentiary standing.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)GENIUS move on your part!
WOW - you point out the fact that I'm not a good writer as a pro se - party;
again how great a GENIUS you must feel like and be.
WOW - you have to go WAY BACK from 2013 and completely DODGE the Update above ^^^^
that gave you not just One (as you double dogged dared);
but a plethora of valid points.
All of which is moot to a person such as you with a veiled agenda.
[br][hr][br]
What you are doing for me - (and whom ever you are working with digging up your bologna);
is encouraging me (and all readers here) on how strong the evidences are.
You simply CAN"T dare (double dog dare) - address the fact that this case is about attorneys at law who SOLD OUT their Court APPROVED clients for the sake of their (secret clients) friends Goldman Sachs and Bain Capital.
Because, once you do that - you validate the legitimacy of this entire case.
As there is NO GREATER SIN for an attorney at law;
Than that of Betrayal of a Client's trust/case.
Attorney's at Law oath to the BAR, the courts and clients;
is that LOYALTY to the approved client
is SACROSANCT!
[br]
[hr][br]
I've relented on my stance that I would not speak with you;
because it did appear (for a second or two) that you had "some" good faith intent.
Now that you have revealed your colors - we are completely DONE;
until you capitulate to the paramount issues of lying under oath and duty of client loyalty!
WHEREAS if you can't address those facts (already in evidence Confessed);
you have NO good faith intent!
And are a waste of everyone's time!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Accepting that the execs failed to disclose their conflict of interest that does not prove
* there was another settlement worth tens of millions of dollars
* you played any part in securing such a settlement
* the conflict of interest impacted this settlement or your alleged part in it
* Romney directed such a conflict to occur
* the US trustee abetted the conspiracy
* the court abetted the conspiracy
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)On the amended complaint, though, it looks like he burned his one amendment-by-right opportunity unprompted.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)May the end come quickly and mercifully. He's taking confederation with someone who murdered a man and was Baker Acted for it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You missed the previous threads?
He filed the complaint:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=625621
Romney Sued for RICO in Fed Court
The complaint was docketed in PACER:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3892846
Goldman Sachs, Bain Capital & Mitt Romney Sued for Racketeering By ME!
And now, lo and behold, a summons was issued.
I expect a summary judgment brief will be filed on Monday, and a judgment by Friday at the latest!
(also see my notes in those threads - it's a classic pro se crank litigator)
FSogol
(45,464 posts)JustinBulletin
(73 posts)Good luck and God speed!!!!!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Very Much!
hue
(4,949 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Not courage - Just pissed....
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Well, expose the Delaware Atty General again. But you're not gonna get anything. Expose Romney for killing a toy store again, especially at Christmas. But it won't get you any money. And stop working for vultures. They screw everyone.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Way to go Laser.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Appreciate it most kindly!
Hotler
(11,409 posts)God how I hope you win. I do not have much hope left, but what I have is yours.
Do not let the naysayers bring you down.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)you think a bunch of Mitt-Twit sucker uppers has a hair balls chance?
Appreciate your FANTASTIC support of good faith efforts for justice.
It will get much worse with the naysayers;
once Limbaugh and Beck start beating their Laser hater drums.
I'm ready for them!
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)that he and his RICO Gang stole by fraud & corruption.
But what I'd rather do, is making him open up those Off Shore books;
and reveal exactly how much is there and how much arrived there fraudulently.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Who's "us." You were never an owner of eToys, you were part of the flock of buzzards picking the bones clean; you're just alleging you never got your fair share of the gristle.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Our job was to "Maximize returns at minimum expense"
They were selling everything to Bain/Kay Bee for $3 to $5.4 million.
We put up a guarantee and compelled those prices to tens of millions.
Turning down a bribe of nearly a million, CEO positions on 2 others companies;
and the chance to be a partner of a "very important person" (who was only seeking Governor at the time).
And the man who stole my chair by fraud & corruption; owns eToys
(renamed ebc1 after Bain/Kay Bee stole the eToys.com domain name).
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)YOU did no such thing and I defy you to provide evidence of such.
Your job was to secure and transport specified assets. You have presented nothing but unfounded assertions about tens of millions of dollars in offers. No evidence you were offered a chair. You failed to properly file your claims, stating you believed another party was responsible for doing so on your behalf.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And we can engage in further conversation - once you admit the attorneys lied under oath.
For that is where this case begins and ends;
with attorneys who sold out their court approved clients for the sake of their secret ones
(Bain & Goldman Sachs).
Until then - I'm finished with you!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)render an admission -- sans evidence.
This may come as a shock to you but you will be required to present evidence -- if this actually makes it to trial -- and if that time ever comes the defense is also entitled to discovery. The burden is on you. That's how it works. You don't get to stamp your feet and demand things go your way.
Demanding verdicts without evidence is an admission you have no evidence.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Until you address the core issue at hand;
that Romney/Bain law firm already CONFESSED lying under oath.
You are guilty of dodging the Facts!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I have more genuine concern for you than the dozens of people egging you on for their own emotional purposes.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)is disingenuous at best!
No one can egg me on - nor can anyone persuade me off - this case.
They are harming tens of thousands of people;
and the eToys shareholder who did join me in 2004 - had to shoot/kill a co-conspirator's agent.
(Robert Alber - Kingman Arizona, shot/killed Michael Sesseyoff in 2010 - after one stalwart was released from prison)
You can look it all up online yourself.
What you and the others here can't see - is that MNAT is partners with Johann Hamerski.
That Johann was a (self professed) partner of Abramoff's
Who offered Alber a Bribe and was turned down.
Johann Hamerski spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight Alber over a $14,000 land deal;
and it is also a fact that Johann owns the same amount of stock as Robert Alber.
(because Hamerski asked Alber for half his stock in eToys to pay the $14,000 for land Johann (turns out) did NOT own at the time).
Alber (by accident) found a paper from MNAT stapled inside the AZ State Court folder;
to keep MNAT (secretly) informed about the Alber v Hamerski case.
That is a crime - in and of itself!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)is his friend who had to kill someone over this absurd case --
Alber contends that he shot Sessoyeff in self-defense.
According to Sessoyeff's girlfriend, who was standing next to her boyfriend when he was shot, Sessoyeff was unarmed during the argument, which lasted about 45 seconds.
The girlfriend, Misty Power, said she is concerned that no charges will be filed because Sessoyeff had an extensive criminal history. She said that Sesseyoff was in the process of turning his life around, even beginning an online college course the day he was killed.
Schoppmann said his office has received new information this week and has not yet decided whether to pursue murder charges.
The same day of the shooting, Alber was arrested and charged with felony trafficking in stolen property for allegedly selling a Department of Public Safety Taser which had been reported stolen out of a squad car the week before. A shotgun and other items also stolen from the car, which was parked in front of the officer's home, have not been recovered.
Alber was in court Thursday for the stolen goods charge. His attorney, Art Higgs, petitioned for a mental health examination of his client, which Alber objected to. In a motion to the court, Higgs said Alber has made disjointed statements about the law and has made "paranoid reports about unrelated and irrelevant facts."
Judge Steven Conn granted the request, referred to as a Rule 11 examination.
http://kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&ArticleID=39481
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)You are being touted as a hero on conservative websites.
Are you proud of yourself?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)ancianita
(36,009 posts)Give the racketeers holy hell!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And, I'm doing my best to give the RICO crooks no rest.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)connie111
(1 post)Very thrilled you are doing this! Hope they all get caught in a "Cover Up" and go to prison for many, many years! Good luck! Rooting for you 100%
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I don't care if the white collar fraudsters go to jail or not;
just want to take back (with much penalty and interest) what they stole.
HOWEVER,
for the autocrats like Colm Connolly, who betrayed their positions of public trust
JAIL!
for those who did the abducting and involved in the physical harm resulting in homicides
JAIL!
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)But - nice to see yah - being friendly and all!
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Takes big heart of kindness to be So COOL!
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)I know I appreciated folks welcoming me when I got on here and feel it's important that new people to the community know they are appreciated both for solidarity and also for what they can teach us!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)for being one of those people.
And it is such a RARE deal in my threads;
it is a real big deal.
KUDOs to you - and here's your 3 smiley Award!
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)I am so psyched about Romney getting sued!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and they (all of the NAMED defendants)
Have to respond within 21 days - after I serve them,,,,
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2013, 05:35 AM - Edit history (1)
Summons read exactly the same)
http://petters-fraud.com/haas_v_romney_clocked_copy_summons.pdf
gopiscrap
(23,733 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)as time marches closer to an actual start of the trial
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)and his Too Big To Fail - Too Big to Jail premise - is going to be put to the test!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)polynomial
(750 posts)This is great, especially to be in the follow up tracking a law suit against a former presidential candidate. A different level than John Edwards being close to the top layer but that upper law area to the Hoi polloi to the riff raff citizen, or the ignorant like me is tabooed and mystified by the media, loaded with free speech money, always confuse by the famous phrase journalist use that begs the question. Or with that said is my favorite.
The game is played in what I call a pseudo social legal immunity far from being fair. The actions are like a Constitutional polo game, with sublime arrogance judges invoke legal ease to curtail rights or privileges. From my view this legal stuff is hard to get through because more than we know in the legal community it is the shuffle board of soft money that wrench the Constitution.
From my view, and I know nothing about legal mechanics however at this time in my life drawn to it. This Romney does appear to be a hardened flim flamer of the worst science called greed. Romney very obtuse in empathy for the average citizen yet knows the bell pull to free speech money the high rollers play shuffle board with.
What really jumped out at me
Whereas plaintiff alleges the parties named in this Complaint are culpable persons corrupting interstate commerce via patterns of racketeering.
That part of the community of legal people that knows enough to tap the system at a distance but get around the monopoly Go plate to collect a stay out of jail card. Free speech money really talks.
Another phrase jumps out to me:
Congress provided a solution whereby citizens can become Private Attorney Generals if such need should arise.
Certainly would like to know what congress made that ruling. This system and its corruption make me so angered that if I had the money my time would be spent in a perpetual legal chase. I might have that chance. I just signed a contract with a legal firm to file a whistle blower complaint to the government but do not have the money that might be needed.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is what I do with my crunched time that can help others;
as I've been battling this horde of Goliath's in the form as an amoeba to them.
But have WON many a battle.
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)So jealous!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)R U jealous of being abused by federal corruption?
R U jealous of having your very own gang of Laser haters?
R U jealous of the fact that anyone who Google's your name on the web;
will think you are out of your mind?
Or R U jealous of not being able to have your back stiffen every time you hear a bang or boom?
(Where I've have dived behind shielding in fear of my life).
I just walked up as an amoeba and kicked one of the most powerful men in this country in the proverbial's; I'm not envious of this position and would never wish this state of affairs upon ANYONE (even my enemies)!
But thanks MUCH for the chuckle;
you damn near floored me!
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)You're not taking it lying down. That's what I'm jealous about.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thoroughly enjoy the fact that you and others brave the storm of hate around U.S.
Daring to cross the line in the sand!
They (the nefarious hordes) went the wrong way when they abducted my daughter.
After that, no amount of money and/or time;
could ever assuage me from the quest for justice!
They are SO Stupid - but I'm glad.
As this case guaranteed Obama would never lose.
When I told everyone Romney lied about his Bain CEO tenure;
no one believed me - until the POTUS put it on his campaign debate websites.
If the POTUS is ever asked about this case;
what do you think he will do?
I've already told him (by Twitter) - in advance;
that I know he MUST commute Romney's sentence.
So the RWNJ cannot claim he was vindictive winner;
and the POTUS will be immortalized as the most magnanimous ever!
That's assuming no one shoots me in the meantime...
Rex
(65,616 posts)armchair lawyers to light their hair on fire! So you must be doing something right!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)to present a passage that has any provable assertion with relevance to his claims let alone sift through the hundreds of pages to find enough contentions to merit the court's attention.
I double dog dare you.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And sit down - be quiet - or apologize!
Cause you've just been served!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)lying under oath.
Why is it that a court order guarantee of legal fees;
and confessions by opponents to Perjury & Fraud
has never been addressed properly?
Cause attorneys at law would rather circle the wagons around each other;
(like the Blue Wall of Silence) - then see one of their ilk - Punished appropriately!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Should be very interesting.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)(even if corruption should come again and the day in court be denied)
they are spending much money on legal eagles;
and running around spending vast monies on destroying evidences.
Which means they need to take meds - in order to sleep at night.
That thought keeps me happy often!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I hope they waste every penny they own!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Especially if the feds wake up and realize that I'm serving up $100 billion of Bain Capital RICO
on a silver platter for them!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)So Cool huh!
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)why not, oh, shaddup until your case is heard on its merits, and report back?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The OP's periodic posts to DU about his imminent victory have been going on for a couple of years. It is part of the syndrome.
http://wtsglobal.com/newsletters/the-vexatious-litigant/
Anyone in the professions concerned with dispute resolution will eventually encounter the claimant rigid and suspicious but perhaps initially ingratiating who often appears with many documents, pleading or demanding that they be read. On inspection the arguments are poorly constructed and often confusing and rambling. Excessive highlighting and underlining are common, as well as many attachments, often of no relevance to the case or touting broad principles of human rights. They may utterly deny obvious undisputed facts known to others. Although they certainly may engage in conscious lying, fundamentally it is more the case of a passionate belief in the truth of their perceptions. Personal blogs, chat room dialogue reinforcing their perceptions, and other internet activity will accompany their quest.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)...why not sue for something like a bajillion dollars? You know, a fictional amount for fictional claims?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The prayer for $100M is tucked away among a bunch of odd rhetoric.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)More to come soon!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Being that this plaintiff have filed a "Civil" Racketeering case;
as a "Private Attorney General" - the court compels one provide an outline of case
just as any prosecutor would have to do.
Hence - the "RICO Case Statement" is due next.
As anyone can see by the outline;
one is required to detail the entire conspiracy.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)This is a rich one, making rich one's poorer;
as the flip flopper got richer by losing.
Politico points out Romney supporters are miffed.
Ha Ha - the spankin's keep on coming.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83549.html