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4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:08 PM Nov 2013

I would like to know how many people on this site

consider themselves Liberals , ? and if so how do you live your lives on a daily basis to support that? Please don't blast me because I don't fit in , just answer the question !

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I would like to know how many people on this site (Original Post) 4 t 4 Nov 2013 OP
OK, I'll go first. I am ultra liberal. CTyankee Nov 2013 #1
I really just want to 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #3
To me it means a lot of things: CTyankee Nov 2013 #10
I'll add a little to that Warpy Nov 2013 #78
Why? Rex Nov 2013 #2
why? , I just want to know what it really means anymore 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #5
Here's a short, simple version: MH1 Nov 2013 #115
Whats a liberal? Historic NY Nov 2013 #4
? just asking 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #8
I am liberal and I post on this site and vote for liberals in elections. I voted for a great liberal hrmjustin Nov 2013 #6
what on earth are you babbling about???? cali Nov 2013 #7
what did you do today that shows you are liberal 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #11
hi, just please answer the question 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #15
What do you consider yourself to be and how does that play out in your life? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #9
I don't fit in because this site 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #12
What do you post that people don't like here? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #14
I don't go along and I get 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #23
Thanks for responding. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #33
YOU can fit in at other leftist sites otherone Nov 2013 #16
I agree , A little better than the gop but I want more 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #24
I listen to Prairie Home Companion otherone Nov 2013 #39
If the Green Bay Packers are socialist then so is Ford. former9thward Nov 2013 #84
They are the only team in the NFL that is not privately owned by a Billionaire otherone Nov 2013 #95
They are not owned by the people of Green Bay. former9thward Nov 2013 #101
I'm pretty sure HTML code is incapable of having feelings. Scuba Nov 2013 #20
I understand you support those principals 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #25
By helping to keep others well informed, e.g., that SS does not add to the national debt .... Scuba Nov 2013 #57
The site hates you? pintobean Nov 2013 #21
Liberal here otherone Nov 2013 #13
what makes you a liberal in example ? 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #26
I believe in big government (all the govt, we need, no more, no less) otherone Nov 2013 #31
They way I spend my money is also what makes me a liberal otherone Nov 2013 #32
I vote LittleBlue Nov 2013 #17
what do you do about people you see 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #27
I don't know any LittleBlue Nov 2013 #29
Nice !!! 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #38
You seem to be just asking people if they are personally generous treestar Nov 2013 #36
I don't care about them , what about your life 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #48
Liberal SirRevolutionary Nov 2013 #18
answer the question please 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #28
Ok I'm joking of course SirRevolutionary Nov 2013 #51
I Love your response 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #62
No problemo 4 t 4 SirRevolutionary Nov 2013 #64
Answer: All of them. ..nt TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #19
you too , answer please 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #30
I did answer your question... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #47
how do you live that makes you a liberal ? just asking not trying to be mean 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #49
I'm an openly gay, openly democratic woman... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #53
I want you to go rule that town 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #63
I do what I can... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #89
Ah..I pine for the poor and downtrodden. I do my best to accept other peoples lifestyles. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #22
do you give them your time or money ? 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #34
probably...um...85% of the time. I give money (usually 5.00) BlueJazz Nov 2013 #42
that's my question do most libs do that? 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #50
I would think so. Of course, people are not rubber stamped and there are (as everything else).. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #66
Are you under the impression that there there are specific tasks that have to be completed gollygee Nov 2013 #35
no , just asking what is your definition of one? 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #40
You aren't asking for definitions gollygee Nov 2013 #44
no, not at all, really not just trying to understand. 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #52
And in a rather demanding way. /nt pintobean Nov 2013 #60
Not on a daily basis but when the time comes Whisp Nov 2013 #37
I agree the personal risk is huge ! 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #41
I am a progressive. PDJane Nov 2013 #43
say it in a song hollowdweller Nov 2013 #45
I am one of those tree hugging hippies.....but not a male. PDJane Nov 2013 #105
Is this a litmus test? polichick Nov 2013 #46
Will there be prizes I wonder leftstreet Nov 2013 #55
no need for responses like that that add nothing to the context 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #72
You didn't answer my question... polichick Nov 2013 #102
I'm a self defined liberal. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #54
Making no assumption at all, just asking a question ? 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #65
I'm sorry. I guess your vague comments above @ not fitting in here riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #82
I used to consider myself such NoOneMan Nov 2013 #56
thanks for the complete and honest reply 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #69
Well I wish you the best NoOneMan Nov 2013 #70
On a daily basis, I borrowed one year's roody Nov 2013 #58
Show-off!!! JoePhilly Nov 2013 #80
I did not put in rainwater catchment. roody Nov 2013 #93
I demand that other people answer my questions! That's how I do it. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #59
this is an open blog , you added nothing 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #73
Sure I did ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #75
Who are you & why do you want to know? How do we know you're a "liberal" yourself? Hekate Nov 2013 #61
I don't judge 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #74
I'm an unreconstructed new left anarcho-socialist. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #67
liberals- center left- 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #77
I'm a conservative liberal. Coyotl Nov 2013 #68
I know - right !! 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #81
Oh, do me next! nt Earth_First Nov 2013 #71
Try to keep an open mind sammytko Nov 2013 #76
Yeah, I'm a liberal. rrneck Nov 2013 #79
so that makes you liberal 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #83
No. rrneck Nov 2013 #86
I am a sarisataka Nov 2013 #85
Just about almost everyone on this site Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #87
I'm a progressive liberal from way back. I've lived my values in my work, spending, voting and ancianita Nov 2013 #88
Don't put too much stake in political labesl/classifications...'Liberal' is not a well-defined term. DreamGypsy Nov 2013 #90
Ok let's break it down XRubicon Nov 2013 #91
Hi, Liberal here. Ask me anything. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #92
How do I live my life to support considering myself a liberal? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #94
I never liked the label liberal hfojvt Nov 2013 #96
I don't really like the label. LWolf Nov 2013 #97
I treat everyone I interact with compassion, dignity, and respect Victor_c3 Nov 2013 #98
I don't have to justify using that term to describe myself. ladyVet Nov 2013 #99
I wonder if people who "claim to be" conservatives have to prove it gollygee Nov 2013 #100
So are you 44? What you going to do next year when you have a birthday? snooper2 Nov 2013 #103
I am a liberal and generally speaking Beearewhyain Nov 2013 #104
I do... Glassunion Nov 2013 #106
No, I'm a socialist. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #107
I am not an *anything* MadrasT Nov 2013 #108
Here are my views on major issues... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #109
Me, I show I'm liberal... TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #110
I consider myself liberal LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #111
Are you checking qualifications for the term liberal? bcbink Nov 2013 #112
ig bleeding heart lib/populist/progressive here elehhhhna Nov 2013 #113
The term Liberal encompasses more than just the political sphere Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #114
OK.. radical green liberal. ananda Nov 2013 #116

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
1. OK, I'll go first. I am ultra liberal.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:10 PM
Nov 2013

The fact that you have to ask if we are liberals tells me something. And I don't like it.

Whatever gave you the idea that this wasn't a Democratic website?

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
10. To me it means a lot of things:
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:17 PM
Nov 2013

social justice
economic justice
pro-choice
pro-civil rights
pro-voting rights
pro-expansion of Medicare and Social Security
freedom of speech
freedom of artistic speech

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
78. I'll add a little to that
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:34 PM
Nov 2013

pro progressive taxation indexed to inflation
pro overturning Citizens United, worst ruling since Dred Scott
pro living minimum wage, indexed to inflation
pro free trade but only with fair trade
pro development of renewable energy resources

Anti monopoly especially in mass media.

MH1

(17,595 posts)
115. Here's a short, simple version:
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:50 AM
Nov 2013
conservatism emphasizes the rights of the individual over all, especially the right of the individual to exploit others to further their own goals (whether those goals are moral or not). To conservatives, competition is essential - even sacred - and many do not recognize any realm of life that is not "better" (in their opinion) when there is competition. Hence the support for privatizing everything. Conservatives tend to measure an individual's success in terms of financial wealth.

In contrast, liberalism emphasizes the importance of having a good society - community - as essential to the capacity of individuals for self-actualization and leading a good life. Many liberals agree that competition can be helpful in promoting innovation, but consider cooperation as the key to creating a good society. Liberals tend to consider individual "success" more as positive life aspects such as health and peace of mind, with financial wealth as secondary; and measure the success of a community by how well everyone does in achieving a decent life.

So this is what it boils down to:

Liberals place primary value on community and cooperation.

Conservatives place primary value on individualism and competition.


I don't think either group - except perhaps the extreme fringes of each - totally rejects the primary value of the other group, but rather make it secondary (or less) to their own primary value.

Yes I am a liberal. What I do as a liberal is support, financially and with volunteer hours (when I'm not working at my full time job), various causes that relate to what I consider the most important issues where I can make an effective contribution.

What I do every day, most important of all, is try to treat everyone I interact with as a valued human being deserving of respect, and in small ways try to brighten the day of people who have it the toughest. Little things like saying hello to the janitorial staff, asking how their day's going once in awhile; saying thank you to people who provide a service; and never (well I try) getting pissed at people who are just doing their job as best they can, even if the current outcome is effing up my day, because it isn't their fault. That's what respect is, and to me, it is required of anyone to honestly wear the label "liberal". But that part is just my opinion.

How'd I do?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
4. Whats a liberal?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:13 PM
Nov 2013

Don't use JFK speech either, it was to a political party that no longer exists in AMERICA...the LIBERAL party.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
6. I am liberal and I post on this site and vote for liberals in elections. I voted for a great liberal
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:14 PM
Nov 2013

Bill de Blasio the other day.

Ok I answered so now you answer Why do you want to know?

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
11. what did you do today that shows you are liberal
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:18 PM
Nov 2013

or should I say what opportunity did you have today to help

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
15. hi, just please answer the question
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:23 PM
Nov 2013

I would really like to know how we all feel. Please be nice and focus on the question

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. What do you consider yourself to be and how does that play out in your life?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:16 PM
Nov 2013

Why do you feel you don't fit it?

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
12. I don't fit in because this site
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:20 PM
Nov 2013

hates me. I consider myself to the left of the left it doesn't seem to be welcome here

otherone

(973 posts)
16. YOU can fit in at other leftist sites
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:23 PM
Nov 2013

Here I just try to avoid third party solutions and praise the one party corporate system with two wings. And always, the dems are a little better then the gop..

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
24. I agree , A little better than the gop but I want more
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:37 PM
Nov 2013

again I would just like to know what makes you consider yourself a liberal ?

otherone

(973 posts)
39. I listen to Prairie Home Companion
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:54 PM
Nov 2013

I answered below a little more.

I like the Green Bay Packers because they are the only socialist team in the country.

Look at my replies below and I will answer any questions you have my friend.

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
84. If the Green Bay Packers are socialist then so is Ford.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:40 PM
Nov 2013

Just because something is owned by a bunch of shareholders doesn't make anything socialist. Do they give their profits to the people of Green Bay?

otherone

(973 posts)
95. They are the only team in the NFL that is not privately owned by a Billionaire
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:10 AM
Nov 2013

The Team is owned by the people of Green Bay and its fans (Shareholders).

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
101. They are not owned by the people of Green Bay.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 10:31 AM
Nov 2013

They are a corporation owned by the shareholders where ever they are from. The profits do not go to the people of Green Bay. They go to the corporation.

From the Packers website: Green Bay Packers Inc., has been a publicly owned, nonprofit corporation since Aug. 18, 1923, when original articles of incorporation were filed with Wisconsin’s secretary of state

http://www.packers.com/community/shareholders.html

Ford Motor is also a publicly owned corporation owned by millions of shareholders --- not some private billionaire.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
20. I'm pretty sure HTML code is incapable of having feelings.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:25 PM
Nov 2013

I'm very liberal. I support things like Social Security, Medicare and the environment. I advocate here and elsewhere nearly every day.

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
25. I understand you support those principals
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:40 PM
Nov 2013

but just wanted to know if your life how do you apply those ?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
57. By helping to keep others well informed, e.g., that SS does not add to the national debt ....
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:32 PM
Nov 2013

... by working for progressive candidates, by voting, and speaking up when conservatives start to spread their lies.

otherone

(973 posts)
31. I believe in big government (all the govt, we need, no more, no less)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:48 PM
Nov 2013

I am a tax and spender.
I believe in a protected economy (a certain % of goods needed for national security should be made in the USA).
I support CIVIL RIGHTS (choice, gay rights).
I support assisting the less fortunate.
I support ending prohibition.
I feel empathy for all humans. We are all on a difficult path.

otherone

(973 posts)
32. They way I spend my money is also what makes me a liberal
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:50 PM
Nov 2013

I shop local
I shop progressive
I shop from community supporting agencies

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
17. I vote
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:23 PM
Nov 2013

for equal economic opportunity and a more equal share of wealth.

What do I do on a daily basis? Nothing, usually. I guess I just vote and donate to my favorite causes. And I'm fine with that level of involvement.

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
27. what do you do about people you see
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:43 PM
Nov 2013

and know that are out of luck ? Do you see or know any- Not being mean truly asking?

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
38. Nice !!!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:54 PM
Nov 2013

and I mean it. So many of us liberals don't ! What makes a liberal a liberal? What they say or how they live??

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. You seem to be just asking people if they are personally generous
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:51 PM
Nov 2013

which is different from politics.

I know some conservatives who claim they give a lot to charity, to prove they are good people who think others should be helped by charity and that government should not be involved.

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
48. I don't care about them , what about your life
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:13 PM
Nov 2013

how do you live your life if you are a liberal. Food for thought that's all

SirRevolutionary

(579 posts)
51. Ok I'm joking of course
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:19 PM
Nov 2013

Well to me personally, at its core I think Liberalism entails open-mindedness to different cultures, ideas, concepts, walks of life, etc. I think it's more of a live-and-let-live mentality vs conservatism where people want you to follow their world view and control what you're allowed to do.

The base word "liberate" means to free whereas "conserve" means to keep or protect. On a daily basis, I hear countless friends, family and neighbors talking as conservatives about how they "got theirs and everyone else can screw off". My liberal friends and relatives are more concerned with giving everyone a fair shot and ensuring they have equal footing in society. We're more open to people in general and the conservatives are more xenophobic and constantly on the look out for some outside influence to come and steal their lot in life.

So an every day example of my own liberalism might be tolerating some of my reptilian-brained acquaintances during our chats about who should be allowed to do what, when, where and why. I try to find common ground and discuss things with them openly as opposed to employing a conservative view of ridiculing, ostracizing, belittling, and attempting to control someone's behavior to be in accordance to my own world view.

Did you say you don't fit in because you don't feel you're a liberal? Because I would say old school hippie libs like myself are less and less common these days on DU.

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
62. I Love your response
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:45 PM
Nov 2013

the base word "liberate" means to free, conserve , keep and protect. That is a big part of my problem I guess here and why I feel bad. I might call myself an old school hippie lib that is way. way to the far left. I do feel for years that we are less and less common on DU. Thank you

SirRevolutionary

(579 posts)
64. No problemo 4 t 4
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:52 PM
Nov 2013

Just like an old school hippie lib though, don't worry if people don't "get" you. Live and let live. There's plenty of us here on DU, things heat up a lot and I don't post often myself, but I can still pick 'em out. Anyway, as long as we're all working together to keep reptilian-brained people out of office, we're making progress.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
47. I did answer your question...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:12 PM
Nov 2013
re: "how many people on this site consider themselves Liberals"

I said, "All of them." That includes me.

TYY

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
49. how do you live that makes you a liberal ? just asking not trying to be mean
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:15 PM
Nov 2013

just think about it?

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
53. I'm an openly gay, openly democratic woman...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:23 PM
Nov 2013

...living in a very small rural town of 400 in central Utah; surrounded by extremely conservative, religious, glennbeckhannityloving republicans.

TYY

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
89. I do what I can...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:52 PM
Nov 2013

It's a very poor town. I'm kind to my neighbors. I help them when they need help; in their gardens or trimming trees or mowing lawns; or rounding up the occasional loose cow or pig. I let them use my pastures. I sometimes feed and water the pet cats, dogs and farm animals who get overlooked when money is tight; which is always.

I engage the neighborhood kids with art projects and fix flat tires on their bikes. I play my music loud and dance with them on my front lawn while playing drums and other percussive instruments like bells and rice eggs. I listen to them and treat them like equals. I talk to them about goals, basic finances and dental hygiene; and college. I let them hide their piggy banks at my house where it's safe. I show them trust. I ask for their opinions. I fix them iced tea. I make them laugh. I tell them they're beautiful, talented and smart. I remember their birthdays. (They're 6 and 7.) I pay them to pick up pine cones and smash cans for recycling. I help them to forget that their father is a disfunctional alcoholic and their mother abandoned them long ago for a life of meth and homelessness.

I go to city council meetings and hold the good ole' boy network's feet to the fire.

I'm not perfect but I'm authentic.

TYY

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
22. Ah..I pine for the poor and downtrodden. I do my best to accept other peoples lifestyles.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:29 PM
Nov 2013

I'm kind to strangers and even fools.
I help other people improve their knowledge whenever possible.
I fight for inequality and I want the truth to be heard.

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
34. do you give them your time or money ?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:50 PM
Nov 2013

do you pass on to those who have less that you ? Give them a ride or your attention or do you look at them ?

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
42. probably...um...85% of the time. I give money (usually 5.00)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:01 PM
Nov 2013

I give rides to people and sometimes help out at the Food Bank.
I've picked up hitch-hikers but lately have slacked off on that.

I just do what most Libs do.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
66. I would think so. Of course, people are not rubber stamped and there are (as everything else)..
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:06 PM
Nov 2013

...degrees of "whatever you are"

I'm sure there are people much more giving than I am...and sadly, much less.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
35. Are you under the impression that there there are specific tasks that have to be completed
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:51 PM
Nov 2013

before you're a liberal?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
44. You aren't asking for definitions
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:03 PM
Nov 2013

You're asking people to justify using the term "liberal" to describe themselves, and please allow me to call bullshit on that. You are shit stirring.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
37. Not on a daily basis but when the time comes
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:54 PM
Nov 2013

I stand up and speak out against racism, homophobia, sexism and bigotry in general. Aside from believing in the regular liberal values of social safety nets, etc., -- those are easy for me to believe in and there isn't all that much I can do about preserving those values, cept vote and support. When you stand up against ignorance and take that personal risk and speak out, that's not easy sometimes.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
43. I am a progressive.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:03 PM
Nov 2013

I went shopping at the local market for Ontario apples and grapes and tomatoes. I bought bread from a local bakery. I bought slavery-free chocolate.

I sent a letter to the PTB about Rob Ford, another to the local newspaper about the Conservatives in general, and Harper in specific, and signed a couple of petititions. One of those petitions was to keep Wal-Mart from moving into the downtown core. I volunteered at my local riding office for the upcoming by-election.

I then cleaned out my cupboards, washed the entire kitchen, and contacted my doctor about meds and specialist appointments, recycling the bottles and tins and putting the foodstuffs in the composting bin (we have an anaerobic composting program.).

Too much information?



 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
54. I'm a self defined liberal.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:25 PM
Nov 2013

I live a life that walks " gently" on this earth. I recycle, compost, cook from scratch, drive minimally to conserve fuel and minimize pollution etc.

I also own and operate a 40 horse farm where all the manure is composted and spread as fertilizer on the fields so we don't use or rely on chemicals that poison the earth. We teach people every day how to live with animals, preserving ancient skills.

I grow my own organic food and have trained my children how to do so. Furthermore we provide fresh organics to 3 local food pantries weekly and the local green market.

I vote diligently.
I volunteer for Democratic candidates every election.
I donate time and money to progressive causes like.my local homeless + women's shelter, as well as big organizations like Greenpeace, PFLAG and more.

I pay a living wage to my employees as well as provide other perks.

What is your point? Is there some magical line that means a person is a "real" liberal progressive? And why do you get to draw that?

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
65. Making no assumption at all, just asking a question ?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:02 PM
Nov 2013

I have no line just asking to try and find out who I might think I am. What is your point?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
82. I'm sorry. I guess your vague comments above @ not fitting in here
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:36 PM
Nov 2013

Led me to think you are fishing in a negative way. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your question.

I believe there's a lot of liberals on DU. Even some progressives.

There has been a huge recent influx of trolls too however. ..

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
56. I used to consider myself such
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:30 PM
Nov 2013

Now I'm an environmentalist. I live my life as a contradiction, because I know everything I do to feed and house my family contributes to the destruction of the earth. I didn't choose this system and I don't have a great way out so its day by day. But the days are beautiful enough in our twilight

What do you consider yourself?

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
69. thanks for the complete and honest reply
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:10 PM
Nov 2013

I don't know anymore what I consider myself. I become more confused everyday about all of it. I know I wish the best for all people in every aspect. All people and anything that can feel suffering. I Feel more pain and confusion everyday and I try to shake it off. I really feel like we are so on our own like never before and we need to take care of each other.





 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
70. Well I wish you the best
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:17 PM
Nov 2013

You don't have to pick a label. Follow your heart.

I often find myself confused as well (especially when I came to the conclusion that liberalism may actually increase the velocity of energy), and that's ok. Sometimes its nice to admit we don't know everything

roody

(10,849 posts)
58. On a daily basis, I borrowed one year's
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:34 PM
Nov 2013

salary to green my home: greywater systems to fruit orchard, insulation, and solar electricity.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
80. Show-off!!!
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:35 PM
Nov 2013

I was going to say that I purchased organic milk, but Mr. GreenHouse had to spoil it.



I did try to collect rainwater to irrigate my yard, but all I ended up with was an unintended mini-pond.

roody

(10,849 posts)
93. I did not put in rainwater catchment.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:35 AM
Nov 2013

I have to do that on the cheap. It is essential in No. Cal. Lots of rain to catch in winter.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
75. Sure I did ...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:29 PM
Nov 2013

My response KICKED your rather funny demand back up the list so others could get a good laugh too.

We "libs" enjoy a good laugh.

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
61. Who are you & why do you want to know? How do we know you're a "liberal" yourself?
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:43 PM
Nov 2013

What is your measuring stick for what is and is not "liberal"? How do you judge others?

Please answer my questions and don't equivocate, anonymous message board person.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
67. I'm an unreconstructed new left anarcho-socialist.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:07 PM
Nov 2013

A throwback to a bygone era. We were and are right about just about everything. Liberals are center left people scared of the word "socialism".

4 t 4

(2,407 posts)
77. liberals- center left-
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:32 PM
Nov 2013

I am so interested because I feel so very far left from liberals. anarcho-socialist sites ????

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
86. No.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:43 PM
Nov 2013

It means I didn't have time to fight for liberal causes today. But you wanted to know how I live my daily life to support that didn't you? Well, anybody that works for a living almost surely a member of the 99%. The fact that I work for a living means that I don't live off dodgy investment income.

If you don't want people to blast you, try asking their opinion without unfortunate assumptions. What do you think liberal ideology actually is anyway?

sarisataka

(18,590 posts)
85. I am a
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:41 PM
Nov 2013

human. What is common sense to me as to how to treat people and govern society is often labeled as liberal. I don't really think about it.

On a daily basis, I treat people with dignity and try to judge each person as an individual giving the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
87. Just about almost everyone on this site
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:48 PM
Nov 2013

is a liberal, but it's more of a matter of who are the pragmatists on here, and who are the ideologues. I consider myself a pragmatist. I want things such as single-payer, a higher minimum wage (ideally something at least in the mid-teens), free college tuition, and publicly-funded elections, but I also recognize that we live in a mixed-bag country where the majority of people don't vote (and many of those who do vote aren't Democrats), so not all of that is going to come easily without a Congress who will work with us and not try to stall us.

ancianita

(36,019 posts)
88. I'm a progressive liberal from way back. I've lived my values in my work, spending, voting and
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:51 PM
Nov 2013

political activity.

I believe in individuals and society trying to do "the greatest good for the greatest number," a liberal utilitarian stance. For 34 years I lived it in my work as a Chicago high school teacher, with diverse professionals and students in a college prep program. My school was 95% African-American. Taught grades 9 - 12, mostly seniors for the last ten years, reading -- basic and advanced -- writing -- from personal to expert audiences, from sentence construction styles to multi-sourced research writing (Rand Paul would have flunked my research unit.), cultural concepts and constructs through African-American Lit, Women's Lit, World Lit and Film Studies (though visual grammar, sequence and editing are their own 'reading' world). I've keep long standing relationships with my former students, who still visit, call me, etc.

I have African-American, Latino, Korean, Chinese, Filipino friends and neighbors who actually like me.

I've cared for three foster kids -- one Greek, one Appalachian, one African-American.

Back in the pre-computer/internet days, I researched and wrote a three-part series on apartheid and how my union's pension fund propped it -- named companies in the investment portfolio, amounts, and alternative investment vehicles that could give equal or better returns -- resulting in the investment board's divesting over $12 million from companies that did business in South Africa. Go, AFT Local #1!

I walked the picket line for teachers/students, along with students and parents, at least four times, the latest being in the huge downtown Chicago rallies of last year.

I've gone to Washington twice to protest -- once, in Chicago to protest the invastion of Iraq, once for single payer with Oregon's Mad Doctors For Single Payer Healthcare, and took a former student along with me.

I canvassed during both of Obama's campaigns, the first in Wyoming, Michigan, which turned blue; the second in Davenport, Iowa.

I was a full donor to Obama's first campaign.
I flew two student workers round trip out from California to Ohio to work on Obama's first campaign.

I've written tough letters to Dick Durbin, Bobby Rush, all the other underperforming party leaders, like Schumer and Wasserman-Schultz. I've got a two page, signed letter of response from the young Barack Obama as he moved toward his presidential campaign.

I flew a young, poor radical out to New York to be part of the Occupy Wall Street protests; he worked on their newspaper, the Occupy Wall St. Journal, there.

I donated over $1,000 in goods and cash to Occupy, both in Chicago and elsewhere.

I've bought and passed out ten copies of Derrick Jensen's Deep Green Resistance to Occupiers, along with ten or more copies of the Ex-Worker Collective's book, Work.

I've been a long standing member of the ACLU, NAACP and Southern Poverty Law Center since the early 80's.

I used to subscribe to, read and give away liberal rags like Mother Jones, Z Magazine, The Baffler, etc.

I shop locally, buy whole foods, eat and dress frugally, ride my bike to get stuff done when possible. I only shop at blue national stores.

I, my husband and my two grown children -- one a businessman and community organizer in New Mexico -- always voted Democratic, remaining cognizant of how left of almost all candidates I am.

I call out and fact-based correct stupid rightwing shit on FB and elsewhere, and get excited about reading DU every day. I love this place!

Now that I'm retired, I keep oldsters I know quaking in their boots about letting their right wing shit slip in my presence; now many of them are coming around to seeing the world outside their bubbles.

I do go on and on, as liberals sometimes do ... but hey, you asked.

The way I see it, living Liberal gives hope.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
90. Don't put too much stake in political labesl/classifications...'Liberal' is not a well-defined term.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:41 PM
Nov 2013

To a 'radical' a 'liberal' may be 'conservative'. To a 'conservative' a 'liberal' may be 'radical'. To a 'liberal' another 'liberal' may be 'conservative' on some issues and 'radical' on others, depending on the context in which the two 'liberals' perceive the current milieu.

Phil Ochs wrote a telling song about this problem entitled Love Me, I'm a Liberal; lyrics are here.

Below is a link to a YouTube audio of one of Phil's live performances of the song. Phil's introduction is

In every American community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects, ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic.


Two things stand out to me in the performance. First, when Phil sings the first chorus of "So love me, love me, I'm a Liberal" audience full of (I am certain, of self-identified 'liberals' and 'radicals') ... is totally silent until Phil queries "Get it???", so the defensive barriers go down and they laugh and applaud. Second, when Phil sings the lines "I go to civil rights rallies, And I put down the old D.A.R." and inserts "D.A.R., that's the Dykes of the American Revolution" as commentary on the lyric. To put this in context, "dyke" was, at the time, a very derogatory term for a lesbian; LGBT rights were far from the minds of most 'liberals'; and the DAR was the Daughters of the American Revolution. Phil, the radical, was being about as non-'Liberal' as he could be, on topics that where not in the active issues.



As a more direct answer to your question, I don't live my daily life with consideration of a political classification. I enjoy my time spent working in a natural setting, walking with the dogs, enjoying the natural surroundings, treading lightly on the planet. When confronted with a political decision, I choose the option that appears most 'liberal', respecting equality. freedom of choice, and tolerance. I envision that as 'liberal'.


XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
91. Ok let's break it down
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:59 PM
Nov 2013

There are 209,403 user registrations.

Of that I'd say 5% are trolls and 3% are sock puppets

so that leaves... wait... shit... 16,752 trolls and sock puppets? WTF!


Ok forget that, let's just guess that 56% consider themselves liberals, the answer is 117,266.



 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
94. How do I live my life to support considering myself a liberal?
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:39 AM
Nov 2013

I try to be a good person.

It's hard work, and sometimes it would be easier to simply be a conservative and thus have moral justification to be an asshole, but it's a cross I choose to bear.

On edit: I also thought for myself today.

Did I comply with your demand adequately?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
96. I never liked the label liberal
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:51 AM
Nov 2013

and still don't.

i cannot really easily define what I think it means, but I sorta saw liberals as establishment centrists, and I always wanted more radical systemic changes than that.

What I would really like to see, if you are interested, is described rather neatly by John Ruskin in the preface to his book "Unto this Last" but even beyond that with any sort of change of system, the society I would like to see would have people being more decent to each other, kinder and more co-operative. Dr. King's Beloved Community http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022244131

As to how I live my life daily. Well mostly I go to work and do my job, and try to save money for my employer. I try to be a Boy Scout - in the sense of doing "a good deed for the day". But isn't THAT a conservative organization?

I usually ride a bike, even in the cold of winter, instead of driving.

I recycle. Not only my own items, but also many of the cans that other people either throw away, or throw on the street.

I pick up glass bottles when I can, something I started in graduate school back in 1988 or so. I was walking along in Lincoln, seeing lots of discarded bottles and said to my self "Dang, I hate seeing all those bottles along the sidewalk." and my self said back "well you have two empty hands, don't you? Pick some of them up. 'It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.'

I volunteer and donate in ways which I think will improve the world. For example (although I notice I have dropped most of those magazine subscriptions and quit the Sierra club (oops :blush http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/145

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
97. I don't really like the label.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 09:02 AM
Nov 2013

It has too many interpretations, and no solid definition.

An economic liberal is a neoliberal. I'm NOT economically liberal at all. Most of the U.S. would consider me a socialist, although I'm not that, either.

Socially liberal? Maybe. Everyone to the right of me would think I'm "liberal" anyway. Except those centrists who claim to be liberals; to them, I'm the "extreme left fringe."

You, too, apparently have some set definition of "liberal" that you want us to claim, to provide evidence of living up to. But you didn't tell us what it is.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
98. I treat everyone I interact with compassion, dignity, and respect
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 09:41 AM
Nov 2013

The goes from the homeless guy I take to time to chat with for 5 minutes outside of the gas station I frequent to the frustrated minimum wage worker who is obviously having a bad day and made a mistake on my order when I go to get lunch to mentally disabled custodian staff at work that I joke around with and treat like I do the rest of my peers.

I believe that the attitude that nobody is better than anyone else and that we all have something to offer society is probably the fundamental core belief from which the rest of liberal ideology stems off of.

I'm a father of two young girls and I don't have time to participate directly in various actions, but I support what and when I can. As my children get older I plan on getting involved directly in various charities - and bringing my children along with me.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
99. I don't have to justify using that term to describe myself.
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 09:57 AM
Nov 2013

Not to you, not to anybody on this forum or elsewhere.

I'm surprised so many have fallen in line and tried to list everything they do that somehow "makes" them a liberal.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
100. I wonder if people who "claim to be" conservatives have to prove it
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
Nov 2013

Being a conservative is not the default position. You aren't a conservative unless you do something the OP finds extraordinary enough to justify you voting for liberal causes and candidates.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
103. So are you 44? What you going to do next year when you have a birthday?
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:09 AM
Nov 2013

Get a new handle with 4 t 5 ? LOL

Beearewhyain

(600 posts)
104. I am a liberal and generally speaking
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:10 AM
Nov 2013

It is an attempt to maximize both negative and positive liberties through a utilitarian framework while also preserving, as much as possible, the individual's right to self determination. Generally speaking.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
106. I do...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:09 AM
Nov 2013

I live my Liberal life quite simply:

I love and respect all spiritual (non)-belief,s and religions. Except Christianity.
I believe in freedom of speech. Unless it offends me.
I feel all corporations are evil. I'm typing this on one of 7 Apple products I own.
I hate the 1%. Except for most movie stars, democratic politicians, and Michael Moore.
I celebrate diversity. Except for heterosexual white males.
I learned my hate for capitalism at a private liberal arts college.

Real answer... I don't react well to demands. Perhaps a friendlier way of asking would be the better route you should take.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
108. I am not an *anything*
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 04:33 AM
Nov 2013

I do not self-identify with groups, I am an individual who is registered as a Democrat and who nearly always votes for Democrats.

I despise groupthink and labels.

Joel thakkar

(363 posts)
109. Here are my views on major issues...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 04:52 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2013, 06:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Free Healthcare
Free universal social security (retirement)
High corporate taxes
Govt controlled energy sector

tell me am i a liberal?

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
110. Me, I show I'm liberal...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 05:06 AM
Nov 2013

...by blaming America first, hating our freedoms, and forgetting that this is a Christian nation.


LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
111. I consider myself liberal
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 05:09 AM
Nov 2013

I vote for the canadite most likely to bring about liberal laws and policies.
I donate to liberal organizations like the ACLU
I advocate to people I know for liberal causes.

But overall, my life is most like your average american.

bcbink

(69 posts)
112. Are you checking qualifications for the term liberal?
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:18 AM
Nov 2013

This I do every day because I am a Liberal.

I go outside to the chicken coop and collect my 2-3 eggs every morning and every evening.
Every day I purpose to keep that egg money from Walmart, Price Chopper, and Haneford.

In the summer I give the extra eggs to my friends and family and keep that money away from those mentioned above.

Every day.


small, practical, sustainable, even for this old woman.

I do not care one bit if I qualify for your club.

Upstate New York in a sea of Red.
Chickens, Turkeys, Pigs, Cows. Fruit trees and gardens. Dollars and pennies every day. Some people are quiet.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
113. ig bleeding heart lib/populist/progressive here
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:32 AM
Nov 2013

in Texas (!) but not identifying as a Dem any longer. The party's too conservative for me. They'd fit right in with Daddy's old Nixon Repub guys. We are being played with badcop/worsecop tactics and have since probably Carter.

My idea of good government? See Holland.

Also Jesus' teachings.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
114. The term Liberal encompasses more than just the political sphere
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:45 AM
Nov 2013

Because there are so many sub-categories within the study of Politics - such as Science, Sociology and Psychology, etc. it makes sense to me that there are sub-categories of Liberal. Some Liberals may be involved primarily for the politics and elections. Others are more concerned with the sociological ramifications of Liberalism and therefore engage the battle primarily there. Still others are Liberals because they believe it is the political system most beneficial to the advancement of the sciences. And yet still others are Liberals for psychological health reasons. They may have been or are being abused and feel that abuse stems from intolerant and/or competitive ideas given harbor by political systems in diametric opposition to Liberalism and therefore fight their battle on that level.

The ways people serve Liberalism I think should be allowed to be as varied as the people Liberalism serves.

ananda

(28,856 posts)
116. OK.. radical green liberal.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

I think cooperative economies are the only way to go.

Screw corporate fascism.

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