I don't understand when someone says "abortion should be rare"...
I don't know if they're higher now than say 10 years ago. Maybe abortions would be fewer if we were doing a better job in preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
I think that all forms of contraception should be free. In fact, I think birth control should be given out freely on demand at all high schools. I also think comprehensive sex education should begin at 11-12 years old at school. It should include how to protect yourself and be safe.
I also think that should a woman want an abortion, she should have easy access to it without shame or explanation. The decision is between her and her doctor. Period.
I have had an abortion and for me, it was not an easy decision to make. It was an emotional decision that took serious contemplation and it was mine and mine alone to make. This was a potential life. That was how I viewed it. I don't know if other women had the same difficulties that I did when it came to something like this.
I do believe that most women don't make these decisions lightly.
I don't regret my abortion. It was an elective medical procedure that I felt was best for the situation I was in at the time. While at the time, it was an emotional one, I got over it and moved on with my life.
Regardless of the rates of abortion...no woman should be forced to be pregnant against her will.
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But back on the topic, and my position, which covers more than abortion itself, as it's the context:
I'd agree it should be 'rare' and AFAIK, it most rare in countries with UHC, full access to the morning after pill, contraception, sex education and abortion.
But over all of that is the lack of stigma or religious objection to the practice, but seeing it as it should be seen, the business of the people involved.
And that in valuing the life of the mother, they also value the life of the child after it is born. There is no denial of food, education, health care or housing due to the circumstances of one's birth or their social position.
There are even incentives to have children with generous maternity leave, no loss of jobs, a stipend paid per child just because the child was born, and none of this cruel shell game played on would be mothers. They do not have to worry about being impoverished or their children suffering from want as Americans do.
Isn't this the utopia the 'pro-life until born' crowd says will happen? While doing everything to insure that the life of the mother and child is punishing?
My argument with that faux choice crowd is that they will not put their money where their big, self-righteous mouths are.
They are against taxes and government, but that is what is needed to take care of the people they don't know and will never meet, and many people they don't like at all and would not welcome into their homes.
That's what the social safety net is, welcoming a child into the family of America, with a home, care and prospects.
Until they enthusiastically support the government, the social safety and rights of women to decide what they can handle to give their children a good life, they can STHU. They are nothing but busybodies with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do.
Also their arrogance knows no bounds, as they cannot comprehend how diverse a country this is, and things are not simple.
They cannot honestly claim to support the unborn when they refuse to support their parents, both of them, with health care, employment and the necessities. That includes the poor, those on welfare, the immigrant, those on drugs or with other issues.
Until then, they are just mentally masturbating and making themselves feel superior. They get no respect from me until they show some to others.
Certainly they're nothing like a bypass. For one thing the procedure is infinitely less invasive, and for another the patients are generally decades younger and in considerably better health. And the recovery is hours or days instead of months, the price difference great enough to cover a luxury car or two.
What a pig ignorant comparison. 
Because "rare" part is RW forced-birthers bullshit, doesn't matter who preach it.
Women request abortions when they need them. It's not up to you, state, or anyone else to decide when, and how often.
It's up to an individual woman to decide what kind of birth control she wants to use, not you, state, or anyone else.
Oh, and please, just stuff the "trauma" part right where it came from. I am sick and tired of listening to the bullshit of how it's such a "difficult and traumatic" experience. 
No, to me it's no more "traumatic" than getting a treatment for parasitic worm infestation. It's not a damn "baby", it's a clump of cells.
I also happen to know enough women who had terminations, and none of them expressed anything more than relief, though I wouldn't be surprised it's different in US. Majority of Americans can only tolerate abortion if women suffer before and after. Preferably both physically and mentally as a form of punishment for having recreational sex. It's unthinkable otherwise. Ever thought how many women might get mental trauma not because they had an abortion, but because they don't feel the way they are told they should feel?
Oh, and stuff "cost effectiveness" same place as "rare" and "trauma". If someone wants to use abortion as birth control, it's their business, and there is nothing wrong with it. Her body, Her choice. Cost effective enough for me.
abortions, that women just can't be trusted with such an important matter. They MUST BE told what to use, when, and how often.
Without your careful guidance them irresponsible women will just keep getting pregnant and demand abortions every free moment they have. If only they were educated enough, and used contraception properly there wouldn't be any "unnecessary" abortions.
And how dare one of those women get offended because of arseholish tone of your posts! Who the fuck does she think she is? She should just shut-up and listen to her betters.
but wouldn't be able to reply because it would make you look really silly.
Only when they are driven underground by anti-choice laws do they become unsafe. Before Roe v. Wade Emergency Rooms regularly saw the results of unsafe, illegal abortions, resulting in death for many women, including those who were already mothers of other children. Often they resorted to abortion (or tried to self inflict one) because they simply could not care for another child. Of course, some of them bled to death or died of massive infection so they left motherless children behind.
And that is what the anti-choicers want to inflict upon women today. 
But I am not really arguing anything. I'm really not saying what you think I am. I don't know anyone who thinks an abortion is better than contraception...certainly not me...
I just would like to see it minimized in a way that does not impact her autonomy. I would like to see us do this through education and birth control. IE preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I also think if a woman needs/wants an abortion she should have easy acess to it without shame or explanation. I agree its between her and her doctor.
I don't think any woman takes this decision lightly. I just wish there was a way to preserve the woman's right to her own body and the life as well. There isn't, and I STRONGLY BELIEVE the woman's autonomy takes priority.
And I have never been "high."
What I don't understand is why some people here feel the need to talk to us as if we were anti-choice, and try to shame us as if we were those idiots. We are allies. Giving pro-choice arguments to people who are already pro-choice is pretty pointless no?
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