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Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:57 PM

Who killed JFK?


59 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Lee Harvey Oswald
16 (27%)
Organized Crime
3 (5%)
CIA/US Government
35 (59%)
Communists
0 (0%)
Other
5 (8%)
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Reply Who killed JFK? (Original post)
Va Lefty Nov 2013 OP
uppityperson Nov 2013 #1
Va Lefty Nov 2013 #5
NightWatcher Nov 2013 #2
LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #10
mc51tc Nov 2013 #28
rbrnmw Nov 2013 #50
silvershadow Nov 2013 #15
RichGirl Nov 2013 #58
Whisp Nov 2013 #3
El Supremo Nov 2013 #4
Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #44
BootinUp Nov 2013 #45
freshwest Nov 2013 #49
treestar Nov 2013 #60
SidDithers Nov 2013 #6
hrmjustin Nov 2013 #7
gopiscrap Nov 2013 #8
Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #9
Boomerproud Nov 2013 #12
Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #17
dflprincess Nov 2013 #19
Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #22
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #65
Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #66
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #68
jberryhill Nov 2013 #37
treestar Nov 2013 #59
KT2000 Nov 2013 #11
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #69
Loudly Nov 2013 #13
zappaman Nov 2013 #25
Loudly Nov 2013 #34
pipi_k Nov 2013 #14
duffyduff Nov 2013 #16
dflprincess Nov 2013 #21
aquart Nov 2013 #35
nyquil_man Nov 2013 #56
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #67
ucrdem Nov 2013 #18
aquart Nov 2013 #36
ucrdem Nov 2013 #42
Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #20
cpwm17 Nov 2013 #61
Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #63
rollin74 Nov 2013 #23
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #70
zappaman Nov 2013 #24
Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #31
zappaman Nov 2013 #32
Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #33
NoOneMan Nov 2013 #26
Spirochete Nov 2013 #27
Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #29
mc51tc Nov 2013 #30
jberryhill Nov 2013 #38
ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #39
The Second Stone Nov 2013 #40
longship Nov 2013 #41
Logical Nov 2013 #43
JDPriestly Nov 2013 #46
pamela Nov 2013 #47
Faux pas Nov 2013 #62
Ace Acme Nov 2013 #71
Faux pas Nov 2013 #72
FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #48
kydo Nov 2013 #51
Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #52
Shrek Nov 2013 #53
Arkana Nov 2013 #55
Arkana Nov 2013 #54
woo me with science Nov 2013 #57
librechik Nov 2013 #64

Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:58 PM

1. Who pulled the trigger(s) or who back the one(s) who did the murder directly?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:02 PM

5. Both. I would like to hear your opinion

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:00 PM

2. I clicked CIA because I think George H W Bush...

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:07 PM

10. +1 nt

 

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:50 AM

28. "Poppy Bush" could not recall where he was when JFK was killed: must have been on Mars!

"George H.W. Bush was working for the CIA at least as early as 1961; more than likely he was recruited in his college days, at Yale, when he was in the Skull and Bones Society. He and his wife Barbara moved to Houston where he ran an offshore oil drilling business, Zapata Offshore Co., which was a CIA front company with rigs located all over the world, making it very convenient for him to vanish for weeks at a time on CIA business where one would suspect what he was doing. Bush was a major organizer and recruiter for the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was codenamed Operation ZAPATA. Col. Fletcher Prouty, former Pentagon high ranking official, who was the basis for the “Col. X” character in Oliver Stone’s “JFK”, obtained two Navy ships for the operation that were repainted to non-Navy colors and then renamed HOUSTON and BARBARA.
George H.W. “Poppy” Bush is one of the few who could never recall where he was or what he was doing when JFK was assassinated; as a matter of fact, for over 20 years, he could not recall any details at all. He was 39 years old at the time and chairman of the Harris County (Houston) Republican Party and an outspoken critic of JFK. But on 21 November 1963, GHWB was staying at the Sheraton Hotel in downtown Dallas and spoke that very evening to the American Association of Oil Drilling Contractors. Some time later, he was reportedly at “the ratification meeting” at the home of Clint Murchison, Sr., receiving last minute instructions and toasting JFK’s murder the night before it happened. [NOTE: Madeleine Duncan Brown has written about this event in her book, Texas in the Morning (1997). It was corroborated by Nigel Turner in Part 9, "The Guilty Men", of "The Men who Killed Kennedy".]"

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Response to mc51tc (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 09:50 AM

50. Nixon was also in Dallas 11/22/1963 eom

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:20 PM

15. How funny. I was hoping it would be a list of names including his when I clicked. I guess CIA will

 

have to do.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:13 AM

58. yup

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:01 PM

3. I might check off BFEE is it was there. nt

 

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:01 PM

4. All of them:

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:38 AM

44. LOL

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:59 AM

45. I love this. nt

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:48 AM

49. Sorry, wrong. It was shapeshifting reptilians. I thought everyone knew that.

Do I need a or icon?

Here, I'll just put on my and

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Response to El Supremo (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:24 AM

60. The assembled killers all killed by Jack Ruby

Perfectly planned! Including sealing of the extra wounds!

This should not be funny, because somebody died, but 50 years and several conspiracy theories later, it just is.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:03 PM

6. ...



Sid

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:03 PM

7. Colonel Mustard!

 

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:04 PM

8. Right Wingers

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:07 PM

9. Lee Harvey Oswald. Pretty cut & dry...

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:14 PM

12. The media certainly agrees with that.

n/t

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:23 PM

17. AS they should. We've had 50 years for definitive proof to come out and not one smoking gun.

Nothin'. Just a lot of hearsay. I mean, for how inept the U.S. government can be, they sure know how to hold a secret - one that potentially could involve thousands of people - pretty tight. That's impressive.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:38 PM

19. They managed to keep the post assassination meeting with Castro secret for 50 years

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:08 AM

22. A meeting an assassination are two completely different things...

If a group assassinated Kennedy, not Oswald, there'd be a helluva lot more evidence out there. Still waiting for proof that Oswald didn't do it.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:52 PM

65. The evidence in the classified files is not "out there". It's still secret another 25 years.

 

If some lone nut with a gun did it, why all the secrecy and confusion?

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Response to Ace Acme (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:55 PM

66. If someone else did it, why has no one come forward in 50 years with proof?

A witness, a relative, an employer...? All that can be independent of a government study lolol

It's pretty clear Oswald acted alone. The only people who don't believe that are immune to facts.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:00 PM

68. I guess you don't know that a lot of witnesses died mysteriously.

 

And Howard Hunt did come forward.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:40 AM

37. The media agrees the moon landing was real, too

 

Mere coincidence? I think not.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:21 AM

59. Yes.

Maybe there was someone behind it, maybe. Only because Ruby happened to kill him. Maybe they had to. But whoever it was, if anyone, has faded into oblivion.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:11 PM

11. Who benefited

the military/industrial complex - the war machine.

Were the members, or certain members of the Joints Chief thoroughly investigated?

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:02 PM

69. Sure, the Joint Chiefs investigated and found there was nothing to it.

 

Why would they lie?

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:16 PM

13. One theory put forward by a gun enthusiast and forensic invitee

 

is that a Secret Service agent accidentally did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error:_The_Shot_That_Killed_JFK

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Response to Loudly (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:46 AM

25. Not to mention the driver who fired the fatal shot!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:30 AM

34. oswald then?

 

i'll say it if you will.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:20 PM

14. Used to

Believe it was Oswald but who knows anymore what the whole truth is

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:20 PM

16. Facts are facts. Oswald did it and acted alone.

 

There is NO evidence otherwise, and there never will be.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:47 PM

21. Three of the Warren Commissioners had their doubts about that

Hale Boggs, Richard Russell and John Sherman Cooper. Cooper and Russell both publicly said they did not believe Oswald acted alone. Boggs said he would be willing to reopen the investigation once he became Speaker of the House.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:35 AM

35. How soon after did his plane crash?

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Response to aquart (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:03 AM

56. The plane crash was October 1972.

The investigation was reopened, in the form of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, in 1976.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:55 PM

67. So you're claiming you know what's in the classified files?

 

You must be very well-connected if you know that.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:32 PM

18. Other:

Disgruntled former CIA chief Allen Dulles, backed by a couple of Dallas oil boys, possibly assisted by disgruntled USAF General Curtis LeMay, with off-the-books inside help from the Secret Service and Dallas Police. Other agencies seem to have called off their watchdogs so to speak, including McCone's CIA and J Edgar Hoover's FBI, later LBJ's Justice department, but the operation appears to have been mainly coordinated by Dulles, who at that point was ex-CIA, having been fired by Kennedy in November 1961.

The other big player was Texas oil tycoon H. L. Hunt, not to be confused with CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, who was also a player. It also looks to me like Oswald had no direct connection and wouldn't have had an interest in the assassination if he'd known about it. Castro had no connection either, but crazy fox that he is, may have known it was coming, though he wouldn't have been able to do much about it.

That's how it appears to me at the moment.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:39 AM

36. Now I could back a Dulles plot. Those boys were pure evil.

Yep. Put me down for other meaning Dulles.

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Response to aquart (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:09 AM

42. Perfect criminal, perfect crime.

Motive, means, opportunity don't leave much room for doubt. Oswald for example had no motive. The other thing is that as an outsider with strong inside connections Dulles enjoyed a kind of untouchable status, in that he could call in favors, but wasn't answerable to anyone but his co-conspirators. Pure evil, exactly.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 11:47 PM

20. A couple of plugs for threads of mine in CS

53 Reasons It Was Oswald

32 Reasons and Arguments There Was No Conspiracy Behind Oswald

Both are abbreviated versions of Vincent Bugliosi's two summary chapters from his book Reclaiming History.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

61. Perhaps, if it's allowed, you could post those threads in GD for the 50th anniversary of JFK's death

 

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:40 PM

63. Oh, I don't think a repost is going to happen.

It took days to write all those up in the first place. A repost would take valuable time away from procrastinating on Nanowrimo.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:41 AM

23. Oswald

conspiracy theories are easy. I have yet to see proof that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:08 PM

70. Expecting proof before there's been a proper investigation is unreasonable.

 

Aren't you just a little bit curious about what's in the classified files? If a lone nut did it, what's to hide?

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:44 AM

24. well

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Response to zappaman (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:57 AM

31. Can I "like" this?

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:00 AM

32. The BFEE is also responsible for...

your backed up toilet...
the local liquor store running out of your favorite beer...
and leaving the dog poop on your lawn.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:28 AM

33. I don't doubt it for a minute.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:46 AM

26. Gray Aliens should be an option

 

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:47 AM

27. Curiousity

but the cat was the intended target...

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:55 AM

29. I don't know,

but I suspect government involvement.

If people knew for sure, there wouldn't be so much speculation.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:55 AM

30. Jackie Kennedy believed it was a conspiracy until she died.

She always said to those who knew her, "they" killed my husband.

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Response to mc51tc (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:43 AM

38. And Ted believed it was Oswald even AFTER he died

 

His book, True Compass, was written in the knowledge it would be published after his death.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:01 AM

39. My best guess is Oswald. nt

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:07 AM

40. Lee Harvey Oswald

 

pushed to it by the war hawks in Washington through the CIA.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:07 AM

41. Posted at 10 PM on Sat night on DU?

Do you really expect to get a good sample of DUers at that time? Or do you want to justify via confirmation bias?

Maybe a poll on "Coast to Coast AM" will provide more confirmation. Just a suggestion.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:25 AM

43. LOL, CIA??, this really reflects badley on the DU! nt

 

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:01 AM

46. Other -- I'm not sure. I really don't know.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:12 AM

47. Other: Secret Service agent

Accidentally

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Response to pamela (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:21 PM

62. Saw JFK:The Smoking Gun

on reelz. That was their conclusion. Sad, sad, sad.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #62)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:48 PM

71. How convenient for the Military-Industrial-Complex that JFK was removed

 

by an accident, and the government report was just a coverup of an official's incompetence.

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Response to Ace Acme (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 08:08 PM

72. I know

it really made/makes me sick to my stomach.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:37 AM

48. LBJ and the men involved with Brown & Root/Halliburton, Bell Helicopter, Ling-Temco-Vought etc.

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:55 AM - Edit history (3)

Otherwise known as the Suite 8F Group.



The winker is a member of the S8G and, according to his wife, it was his appreciation dinner that caused Kennedy to change his plans and head down to TX earlier than he originally planned.

Emphasis my own


M: Is it correct that both Lyndon Johnson as Vice President and John F. Kennedy were here in
Houston for a testimonial-type dinner for you and your husband? Is that right?

T: Yes, it came about--a group of people--Albert had been saying he was going to retire. As amatter of fact, he had made that announcement, so President Kennedy asked him to
reconsider; that he was needed very much; and would he consent to stay on. Of course, he
was ill at that time, but he was certainly able to carry on his work. So then my husband's friends got up this dinner for him, and they asked my husband what did he think about
asking President Kennedy to come
. He said, "Fine," he thought it would be a wonderful
gesture, but after all, he was so busy that he would certainly understand if he did not come.

Much to our surprise he did call my husband one day and said, "I'm coming to the dinner. I had planned to go to Texas but not at this particular time. Since your dinner is going to be then, I think I will come." Well, immediately of course word got out and then all the people began to make these plans. First, he'd go to San Antonio, then he'd come here, then he'd go to Fort Worth, then he'd go to Dallas, then he'd go to Austin. Well, it became very
involved.


Too, of course, the Secret Service had a say. All along the time my husband kept saying, "Oh, I hope nothing happens while he's here in Houston at my dinner." I remember very well when we were driving in. We had a Secret Service man in the car--
M: Was this in the motorcade?
T: Motorcade coming in that afternoon. And he would say, "Do you see anything along the
road?" And he kept looking that afternoon, I remember very well.

my husband was asked to get back on the plane--I don't know just how it did happen--but anyway, he was the one that said to President Johnson, "You can't take off until you are sworn in as President of the United States."
That's how he happened to be right there in front. (Mrs. Thomas says that her husband was the first to address Lyndon Johnson as "Mr. President."


In 1964, Thomas was named Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. His old college roommate was George Brown of Kellogg Root and Brown/Halliburton

David Harold Byrd was also a member of the s8g. He owns the Dallas Book Depository. He also is a partial owner of Ling-Temco-Vought which turned out one aircraft a day for several years during Vietnam.

Bell, another s8g member and the founder of Bell Aviation, later Bell Helicopter, benefited greatly from Vietnam and had long associations with LBJ. LBJ had helped Bell get military contracts as far back as the 1940's. Michael Paine, his wife shared a home with Marina Oswald and she was the one who suggested the Book Depository job to Lee (according to the Warren Report), worked for Bell Helicopter.

The Brown brothers, also members of the s8g. They were the founders of Brown & Root. The company was purchased by Humble Oil's Halliburton in 62.

"Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam — allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering. Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability. "

"The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman."

NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483


The other members of this group had oil ties. They were going to take a massive monetary hit (an estimated 300million a year) if Kennedy had been able to follow through with his plans to eliminate the Oil Depletion Allowance.


A damning number of links exist but this sampling shows just how much money was made off of the assassination and as a result, the Vietnam war.

"When I mentioned about Adlai Stevenson, if he was vice president there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy " "Well the answer is the man in office now"
~ Jack Ruby
"Well, you won't see me again. I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country, and I know I won't live to see you another time"
~Jack Ruby

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 09:55 AM

51. Well after all it was you and me.

Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil

I shouted out
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
Well after all
It was you and me

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So us and the devil. I knew it!

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:22 AM

52. Disheartening results,

but enlightening at least. I would have thought more fact-based thinking would be in play around here, but I guess that's not to be. I'd guess the near 40% the facts get are better than on most sites if this poll were run, at least. That's something.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:24 AM

53. Keith Hernandez n/t

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Response to Shrek (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:33 AM

55. KEITH HERNANDEZ?!

</newman>

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:32 AM

54. Kang and Kodos.

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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:06 AM

57. JFK was going after the big banks and the Federal Reserve,


as well as the Military Industrial Complex.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2749997

Presidents don't do that anymore.



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Response to Va Lefty (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:53 PM

64. can i get an all of the above choice?

seriously...

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