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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:35 PM

40 Armed Gun Advocates Intimidate Mothers Against Gun Violence In A Restaurant Parking Lot

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/11/10/2921121/dallas-gun-advocates-protest-restaurant-gun-control-advocates/



On Saturday, nearly 40 armed men, women, and children waited outside a Dallas, Texas area restaurant to protest a membership meeting for the state chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, a gun safety advocacy group formed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

According to a spokeswoman for Moms Demand Action (MDA), the moms were inside the Blue Mesa Grill when members of Open Carry Texas (OCT) — an open carry advocacy group — “pull[ed] up in the parking lot and start[ed] getting guns out of their trunks.” The group then waited in the parking lot for the four MDA members to come out. The spokeswoman said that the restaurant manager did not want to call 911, for fear of “inciting a riot” and waited for the gun advocates to leave. The group moved to a nearby Hooters after approximately two hours.

MDA later released a statement calling OCT “gun bullies” who “disagree[d] with our goal of changing America’s gun laws and policies to protect our children and families.” The statement added that the members and restaurant customers were “terrified by what appeared to be an armed ambush.” A member of OCT responded by tweeting, “I guess I’m a #gunbullies #Comeandtakeit.”

This is not the first time that gun advocates have rallied at MDA events. In March, a group of armed men crashed a MDA gun-control rally in Indianapolis. Other gun advocate groups will hold rallies this upcoming December 14th, the anniversary date of the Sandy Hook shooting.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:37 PM

1. Good Heavens

what a bunch of assholes

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:28 PM

138. I'm truly one sick SOB 'cause It would have been fun to be behind those fellows (about 30 feet...

 

....and hidden) and thrown a pack of large firecrackers behind them. Not one of them is patrolling the rear.
They would have had to carry about 4 pounds of shit home in their pants.
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(No, I wouldn't really do that..too many innocent people around)

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #138)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

174. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm sitting here visualizing what would have happened had someone done that (thrown firecrackers)!!!

Every one of those clowns would have shit in his pants!!!!!!

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #138)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

175. Good thing for them they're at the mall.




It would make it real easy for them to go in and buy some new drawers.



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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #138)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:25 AM

275. Too Many Innocents

Your last thought is right. It may be true that many of those people would have gone home with crap in there pants, but many innocent people could have been hurt. Once the firecrackers went off, those people could have started shooting into the other crowd, or just shooting in any direction and that could have led to many innocent people getting hurt, or worse.

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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:59 PM

419. Wow, first post and already...........................

 

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #419)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:02 PM

423. No kidding. Was that post even worth the effort of signing up to post it?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #423)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

425. Cavers and dwellers must think so,

 

luckily, MIRt is on the job.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #419)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:17 PM

431. He was answering to my post. I'll bet it was something flattering. (I didn't get to see it)

 

Did he say something like "Damn Bluejazz, you have to be one of the smartest people on the web!" ?

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #431)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:22 PM

435. Not quite,

 

something to the tune of and when someone shoots you in the head, what then tough guy.
Something close to that.

But, let me say, Damn Bluejazz, you have to be one of the smartest people on the web!

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #435)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:59 PM

440. Then let me say Ranchemp, you have to be the 2nd smartest for recognizing my brilliance.

 

On the other hard, My brilliance and my "Tough Guy" persona will do me no good when I'm shot in the head. Rats

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #431)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:03 PM

441. FYI: Here's a copy & paste

and then what would you do?

If you got a bullet in the head from one of these so called clowns...big man?


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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #441)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:24 PM

447. Oh..well....sounds like to me he was just concerned for my safety, plus ...he did call them clowns.

 

No harm done.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #447)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:42 PM

449. :wink:

I wouldn't worry about it.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #138)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:01 PM

453. Incite to riot, I think

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #453)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:04 PM

454. or insight to a riot

 

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:39 PM

2. The posture on the guys with the guns...

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:12 PM

186. They fantasize about being heros. I wonder how many of them served in the military at some point?

If they like to shoot, that is where they belong.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #186)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:35 PM

204. What are you talking about? They know all about the military.




Why they've seen every one of Chuck Norris's movies.

A couple of them even went to the open house at the
local military installation on Armed Forces Day.





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Response to delta17 (Reply #216)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 11:09 AM

475. That site is the military version of the Onion, right?

I'm often quite gullible, but even I saw right through this. Quite funny, BTW, if it weren't so sickeningly (almost) believable.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #475)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:22 AM

500. Yeah, it is pretty funny.

Some of it is hard to understand if you haven't been in the service. Lots of the stories make fun of arbitrary military policies and war in general.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #186)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 09:10 AM

266. Like some comedy movie: Are you a weapons expert? Yes, I have played Halo for over 10 years.

They watch movies and play those military style video games. Go to the rifle range or in the woods and shoot them up.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:21 PM

283. You all got suckered. They're posing for a group photo, not facing the 'Mothers group.

This is a cropped version of the group photo. Note the layout is the same, though, it was taken a few seconds before or after the photo in the OP.

That headline and photo is designed to foment a particular narrative that didn't apparently occur, whatever you may think of people showing up to a protest with guns.

https://twitter.com/MomsDemand/status/399250250260430849/photo/1

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #283)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

291. we got suckered? did these 40 assholes show up with their guns to intimidate 4 women or not?

nobody gives a shit about their super-awesome group photo opportunity. 40 armed fuckheads showed up to intimidate 4 women as they ate their lunch. that's what this thread concerns.

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Response to frylock (Reply #291)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:47 PM

292. I refer you to Tenderfoot's post.

"The posture on the guys with the guns..."

There is a narrative being associated with that photo that is not true.

That's why I said 'whatever you may think of...'. Because I disapprove of that sort of 'protest' as well, as it can be interpreted as threatening.

But the photo was posted with associated verbiage to suggest they are facing off against/intimidating the mothers in that photo. You can read the sentiment in the responses of several posters in this thread, who were misled by the association of the two. That's essentially a lie. Just like when Fox plays up the number of people at a anti-ACA rally in WADC. It's false. Unfair.

I agree with you on the overall context of their protest though. I think it's a terrible idea, and a disservice. They shouldn't be doing that.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #292)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:25 PM

480. Look at those butt-nuggets with their hands on the triggers, as if they're "ready for combat" in a


mall parking lot. What about the narrative isn't true? That these people were there to intimidate? That they are fond of dangerous and unnecessary posturing? Do tell.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #480)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:03 PM

482. None of them had their fingers on the triggers.

 

There's a frontal picture that clearly shows none had fingers on triggers.
Now, that being said, this was definitely a foolish display, legal, but foolish and unnecessary.

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Response to frylock (Reply #291)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:01 PM

295. +1 (nt)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #283)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:13 PM

304. I think you've got a really fucked up interpretation of the word "suckered".

So you're suggesting that 40 armed assholes DIDN'T show up to intimidate a group of people who were interested in sensible gun control? Because that's the only way I'd consider any of us or them to be "suckered" by these particular pieces of shit.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #304)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:18 PM

306. Again, I refer you to Tenderfoot's post about their posture.

In that moment, as the photo is taken. That's important.

I talked about the disrespectful/potentially threatening nature of the 'protest' overall, elsewhere. I agree with that broader interpretation. I disagree, with Tenderfoot's analysis, and I don't blame her for it, because that's how the narrative was crafted for the article cited in the OP.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #306)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:27 PM

308. Ahhh, so by "You all", you mean "This one guy" and by "suckered" you mean

that one guy took a group of aggressive assholes and said of them "The posture on the guys with the guns"? Care to tell me what is inaccurate about that sentence which doesn't even make a declarative statement at all? Is it that he decided not to mention that they are idiotic wastes of space? I'd agree that something should have been said of their low 2 digit IQs and propensity for cousin fucking, but I'd hardly consider the omission of such to be considered "suckered".

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Response to EOTE (Reply #308)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:30 PM

310. There are at least three top-level responses

that assume they are brandishing/intimidating, DIRECTLY, not just by having guns, in that photo.

I'm not sure if I should name them, as it might be considered a callout, but they are right there. Just look at the posts top row. They are clearly misled by the nature of the description/photo. I would assume they might not come to that conclusion in the context of the group photo they are taking in that moment.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #310)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

311. You pointed to one response and that response says NOTHING like you say it does.

The one response you mention is of a guy who basically says "What a bunch of asses" while being a good deal more good natured about it. These people are worthless pieces of shit and I didn't need to look at a single photo to confirm that suspicion. No one here is mislead about anything. Here we have a group of armed neanderthals attempting to intimidate a group of people who are working to make peaceful change. I'm thinking that you are clearly misled that people here would support pathetic assholes like those described above.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #311)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:38 PM

312. Oh please, it's right there in plain english.

"The posture on the guys with the guns..."

"That guy in the red shirt How is that not threatening? Flat out, he should have been arrested at the very least. Outrageous."

"why are three of those fools taking cover behind a car and brandishing? they hiding from a sniper?"


Quit wasting my time.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #312)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:47 PM

315. Why the hell are you running away from your own statements.

You reply to a man who simply said "The posture on the guys with the guns". Again, that's not even a declarative statement and you deem it to be false and suggest the guy was "suckered". That seems pretty damned ignorant to me. I would say the posture of those guys provides further evidence they're a bunch of inbred, ignorant jackasses. I don't give a fuck whether or not they were taking a picture, everything about those assholes screams ignorant fuckwads.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #315)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:55 PM

318. I'm not running away from anything.

That single sentence (also coupled with the facepalm smiley) says everything I need to know about the intent.

Because in the context of them facing a group of the 'mothers, that could be read as bad/threatening.
In the context of posing for a group photo, there is nothing wrong with the posture at all. Barrels are down. Fingers away from triggers, the people crouched are doing so because they are in the front row.

There is nothing to 'run away from'. That poster was misled by the textual context of the photo, not the posture.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #318)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:58 PM

321. Uh huh. So you think that the non-declarative statement the poster made is him being "suckered".

For having the nerve to speak out against some stupid, inbred fucks who can't leave their house without a gun for fear of people realizing how terrified and stupid they are. The problem was them being there with their guns PERIOD. That you're still unable to realize this speaks very poorly of you.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #321)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:59 PM

323. He is a she.

Just pointing that out. Initially I made the same mistake, but I edited my post.

That statement is, in fact, declarative. You can pretend otherwise all you want, but I'm not buying. That poster is free to clarify, but there is nothing there to say otherwise.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #323)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:20 PM

331. And what is that statement, exactly? If I were to garner a statement from that non-declarative

statement, it would be that those guys are a bunch of assholes. You disagree with that statement? It sure as hell sounds like you do. You're willing to say that someone was suckered by basically just inferring that those guys are assholes, so you surely disagree. Any way you slice it, I can't make your response to that post sound even remotely intelligent.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #331)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:37 PM

336. It doesn't say 'the guys with the guns -facepalm'.

It specifies the POSTURE of the guys with the guns - facepalm.

Think about that for a second.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #336)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:49 PM

339. It really hurts you to get specific, doesn't it?

I've seen the posture of those assholes and I'd think the posturing would be indicative of insecure, terrified, inbred assholes REGARDLESS of whether their picture is being taken or not. But again, the fact that you attempt to demean and belittle DUers rather than the pieces of shit in the above piece speaks just as much to you as it does to the assholes in the OP.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #339)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:22 PM

346. Not posturing, POSTURE.

The poster isn't critiquing their slumped shoulders, spinal alignment, etc.

You are inventing meaning where there is none. Plain English. Until that poster specifies otherwise, your backpedal on that poster's behalf is laughable.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #346)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:29 PM

349. Your attack of a fellow DUer for rightfully going after these evil fucks is what's laughable.

Actually, it's rather sickening. And you do know that posturing is the verb form of posture, right? Plain English, the poster was going after some ignorant, inbred fucks for abhorrent behavior. You found it fit to attack that poster, that is utterly sick. You find more in common with those despicable fucks than you do with the one rightly going after them. That's unconscionable.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #349)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:32 PM

350. That's not an attack.

Again, inventing meaning where there is none.

I specified that I understand why that poster and others were led to express that sort of interpretation.

You have created two more strawmen, on top of the earlier one, in coming after me, here.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #350)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:38 PM

352. You said they were "suckered" again for a non-declarative statement.

That's an attack, and an insanely stupid one. You haven't even ATTEMPTED to explain how this poster was suckered (or how the fuck anyone can be shown to have been suckered for making a non-declarative statement). Knowing that those assholes were posing for a picture doesn't make them look any less stupid or evil. But go on, keep doubling down on the stupidity.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #352)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:42 PM

355. That is not an attack.

Would you feel better if I said bamboozled or something like that?

The poster's meaning is quite plain. The other two references I gave you are EVEN MORE illustrative, quell surprise you stopped talking about those.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #355)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:51 PM

363. No, I'd have felt better if you didn't make such a stupid comment in the first place.

Barring that, being decent enough to apologize for making such a stupid comment. Any suggestion that going after those worthless fucks in any way means that they were "suckered", "bamboozled" etc. is powerfully stupid. Those dumb fucks could have been at Glamour Shots and it wouldn't have made their behavior OR posture any less despicable. For you to criticize someone for going after their posture or anything else shows you how pathetic your priorities are.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #363)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:05 PM

372. Error.

"in any way"

By this logic, one could claim they are all pedophiles and cannibals.

I prefer to go after people based on facts, not 'any way'. 'in any way' is the sort of rhetoric the right has poisoned political discourse with. I am averse to it, and I will point it out when I see it.

I specified repeatedly, that what they are doing can be considered threatening to some, and is a disservice to their own cause, etc. I like facts. Facts are reassuring. Helpful. Worth discussing.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #372)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:13 PM

379. Christ, isn't it tiring being so pedantic?

And for such stupid reasons? In spite of your frequent protests, you were defending those worthless fucks and simultaneously going after fellow DUers who have far better intentions than you. There is no need to defend any of those pieces of shit and no need to go after any DUer for pointing out how incredibly stupid they are.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #379)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:20 PM

381. No, being pedantic normally helps.

I did not 'defend them'. Correcting an error isn't a defense of their actions. I was, and have been, repeatedly critical of their actions, here and in other threads.

I did not 'go after' anyone. Again, you are intentionally misconstruing my intent, especially after I have so thoroughly and repeatedly explained the intent and context.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #381)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:22 PM

385. What was the poster's error again?

I say again, but I'm fairly certain you haven't even attempted to offer it in the first place. But go on, what was the poster's error again? Now, I'm not looking for any innuendo or for you to suggest to me that the error should be evident. I'm asking you to use your words and show me how what that poster was inaccurate.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #385)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:25 PM

387. I cannot simply any more than the post itself offers.

As I said, it is self-evident. You are wandering afield of the post by adding context that is not there.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #387)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:28 PM

391. Now you're not even providing full sentences.

I'm trying to make sense of your word salad, but still having difficulty. Again, you're simply unable to explain how this "self-evident" sentence is inaccurate? Sounds like a cop-out based on ignorance to me. This should be incredibly simple for a logical person like yourself. It couldn't possibly be that you're unable to disprove a non-declarative sentence, could it? It couldn't possibly be that it was sheer bone-headedness to attempt to insult someone based upon one in the first place and then desperately try to save face? Nah, couldn't be it.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #391)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:34 PM

394. I'm going to wait for the original poster to clarify it for you

because I refuse to read additional context into other people's posts. If the poster objects (Which, she may, given the negative baggage the word 'suckered' can carry, I am willing to own that) or adds context to 'posture' beyond their physical stance in the photo, then I will retract.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #394)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:36 PM

396. You go ahead and do that.

But whatever you do, don't apologize for making such an assholish comment. If a poster isn't willing to respond back to such an idiotic comment, an apology isn't due.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #396)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:40 PM

402. I firmly believe you are misconstruing the comment.

It also appears willful. So, no. Not a chance, not on your account.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #402)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:46 PM

408. I firmly believe you are talking out of your ass.

And throwing out stupid insults because you're incapable of comprehending something very simple. Again, don't stupidly lash out at someone because your comprehension skills are so lacking. It speaks very poorly of you.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #355)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:53 PM

364. And how surprising I'm NOT talking about the insults you gave to people you weren't even responding

to? I'd respond to that by saying how incredibly stupid it is for you to expect me to defend comments you claim to be to other people when the one person you ACTUALLY responded to said nothing that you claim for her to have said. Christ, are you attempting to set a record for most illogical bullshit spewed in a 24 hour period or something?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #364)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:01 PM

367. Yes, I speak in plural to individuals. "You all"

I am not prone to repeating the same thing to multiple posters. I simply picked the first in the thread.

I have said nothing illogical. You are simply pretending I am saying things I am not saying, and ignoring things I HAVE said that should have forestalled most/all of this tangent.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #367)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:04 PM

371. So, I show you how incredibly stupid and baseless your attack on the person you ACTUALLY responded

to. And then you complain because I'm not focusing on the people you truly meant to attack but didn't.

Seriously, I see far more reasonable and logical discussion on any visit to Freerepublic.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #371)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:07 PM

375. Begs the question.

You are still assuming I attacked anyone. I didn't. My very first response to you spelled it out. Quit pretending I didn't say anything about the context of my objection.

I DO NOT BLAME those posters for having been misled.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #375)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

377. The poster wasn't misled.

And even if she were, you owe that poster an apology for suggesting her comments were off base. Whether or not they were having their picture taken is completely irrelevant. It wouldn't make their actions or even their posture any less stupid and evil.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #377)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:21 PM

383. It is entirely relevant to their posture in that photo.

I see you are determined to misconstrue.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #383)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:25 PM

388. And again, what was inaccurate about what the poster said?

Care to look into words that weren't said? Gonna pull more assumptions out of your ass? Are you EVER going to explain how the poster was suckered?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #388)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:26 PM

390. I have repeatedly explained.

My explanation appears to bounce off, because it does not fit your preconceptions.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #390)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:32 PM

393. You haven't even come CLOSE to explaining. You've simply said that it's "self evident".

That's actually worse than nothing. I think it's self evident that your comments were well beyond asinine, ignorant and offensive. But at least I actually offered evidence as why that's so. You simply declaring that something is "self evident", does not make it close to being so. In fact, it likely means just the opposite.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #393)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:39 PM

400. Your 'evidence' is a fabrication, that is intentionally bereft of EVERY attempt I have made to

illustrate the precise boundaries of my meaning when I used the word 'suckered'. It is not different than your use of 'ignorant' there.

I know you aren't sitting there calling me an ignorant person as a direct personal attack. You are interpreting that as a personal, direct attack on the poster, when it is not. It is an instance, a single transaction. Not an indictment of the poster.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #400)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:43 PM

404. Again, are you going to even attempt to present evidence?

Or are you simply going to say it's self-evident again? You DO know that you simply saying something doesn't make it true, right? I've shown numerous reasons why what you've said is offensive. You haven't even attempted to show how the post you commented on was inaccurate. I saw that post after I was aware that those pieces of shit were posing for a picture. The post seemed no less appropriate after that. So go on, what was said that was inaccurate? Are you even going to try?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #404)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:45 PM

407. If you are so hell bent on interpreting it as a personal attack

then click the fucking alert button, and let a jury decide.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #407)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:47 PM

410. I don't use the alert button.

I prefer idiotic comments to stand so that people here can better know the half-wits posting them.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #410)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:47 PM

411. Hidden posts can be viewed if one wishes.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #411)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:51 PM

413. I know how DU works.

That doesn't make my objection to the alert button any less. I'd prefer these posts to be as visible as possible. I've used the alert button exactly once and I decided it was fruitless. I won't be using it again.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #413)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:57 PM

418. If you REALLY believe

I was personally attacking that user, that is a rule violation of this site, and I should be censured for it.

At the very least, I would no longer be able to post in this thread. And then you could say whatever you wanted about me and have the last word.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #418)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:02 PM

422. I am under no obligation to alert on anything.

So your incessant requests that I do are pretty damned stupid. And again, I don't give one half a fuck as to whether or not you're able to post in this thread. I find it's far better that people see the idiocy in its full technocolor glory.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #311)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:39 PM

313. Also, quit building strawmen.

I never said they should be supported in any way. In fact, I have said quite the opposite, repeatedly.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #313)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:44 PM

314. So why, exactly, did you accuse someone who didn't even make a declarative statement

of being "suckered"? I'm sure you'll be able to explain that one. I'm also interested in why you consider this one person who didn't make a declarative statement to be "you all". Seems to me your posts are all full of fail. Calling a group of assholes a group of assholes is nothing even approaching being suckered.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #314)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:52 PM

316. Poster didn't call them assholes.

Poster called them out for "The posture on the guys with the guns..."

When in reality, they are just posed for a 2-deep group photo. (Down in front)
There is nothing implicitly threatening or odd about their posture. Not in that context.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #316)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:56 PM

319. Uhhh, what part of "not a declarative statement" don't you understand?

What the hell did the poster say that wasn't accurate? The poster didn't say that there was any implicit threat regarding their posture (although I'd think that them merely being there and armed is a threat in and of itself). Again, you are taking a poster who hasn't even made a declarative statement and saying that he's been suckered. That's pretty damned stupid. It's also well beyond ignorance to suggest that these assholes aren't threatening.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #319)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:58 PM

322. Keep ignoring the facepalm icon.

Keep twisting in knots trying to pretend it says anything other than what it says in plain English.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #322)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:27 PM

333. Ahhh, so it's the facepalm icon that's the declarative statement.

And what does that facepalm say, exactly, that makes the poster "suckered" for saying it? That these guys are a bunch of massive tools? That's what I got out of it. Apparently you disagree. Then again, you're able to suggest that someone was suckered based upon a non-declarative statement that she made, so I'm guessing that logic isn't your strong point.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #333)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:39 PM

337. Again, posture.

SPECIFYING posture.

Keep pretending it doesn't say what it says.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #337)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:53 PM

340. What OF their posture?

Their posture is of a bunch of terrified, dickless assholes ganging together to terrify innocents. It doesn't matter whether or not they're getting their pictures taken, it does nothing to lessen the depravity and soullessness of these assholes. But the fact that you're denigrating fellow DUers for them insulting these pieces of shit DOES say an awful lot about you.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #340)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:23 PM

347. Invented.

That's not what the poster is talking about. Nor the other posters I cited. Keep flailing.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #347)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:33 PM

351. YOU are the one who has repeatedly mentioned their posture. At least a good half dozen times now.

As if that poster mentioning the posture of these pieces of shit is somehow getting "suckered". You made a ridiculously stupid statement and have done nothing but attempt to defend that bone-headed statement. Fuck, as if it weren't stupid enough attacking someone for making a non-declarative statement, you've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the stupidity. Is it REALLY that hard to admit you made such a stupid statement? Or is it that you still stand by your statement and envy those hillbilly fucks in the picture?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #351)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:41 PM

354. Quit feigning outrage.

"I disagree, with Tenderfoot's analysis, and I don't blame her for it, because that's how the narrative was crafted for the article cited in the OP."

That is not an ATTACK on Tenderfoot.
You are inventing words/meaning where there is none. The word 'suckered' may have been more inflammatory than necessary, but I think it is linguistically accurate.


Envy them? Again with your strawmen.

"I agree with you on the overall context of their protest though. I think it's a terrible idea, and a disservice. They shouldn't be doing that."

"I talked about the disrespectful/potentially threatening nature of the 'protest' overall, elsewhere. I agree with that broader interpretation."

"I never said they should be supported in any way. In fact, I have said quite the opposite, repeatedly."

There are also other threads on the front page about this issue where I have been highly critical of the gun-protestors.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #354)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:46 PM

358. Suggesting someone is a sucker is not an attack? Are you sure I'm feigning outrage?

Or do I really despise intense stupidity? Especially when that impotent stupidity is lashing out at something/someone far smarter than the one who's dishing it out. Saying someone is a "sucker" for speaking out against these cretins is really fucking stupid. You haven't come close to explaining your position, just bringing out one massive deflection after the next (even stupidly suggesting that the one you were responding to was not the one the comment was for). Sorry, I don't suffer fools gladly.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #358)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:50 PM

362. You're good at word games.

One can be suckered without being 'a sucker', meaning always falling for shit. It's one instance of it. Much like saying someone was fooled by something, does not imply that person is 'A Fool(TM)'.

Clearly you have assigned to it the most negative of synonyms. I object to that based on my CLEAR SPECIFICIATION that I DO NOT BLAME Tenderfoot for that interpretation. But with that one post, by itself, I can understand why you may have read it that way. Much like I understand why Tenderfoot interpreted the photo, combined with the headline/narrative in that way.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #362)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:56 PM

365. If you truly thought that any one could have fooled by something, it was rather foolish to suggest

they were suckered. And I still contend that it's incredibly bone-headed to suggest that anyone was fooled, suckered or otherwise for making a comment like that because the validity of a non-declarative statement like that would have ZERO bearing on whether or not those pieces of shit were getting their picture taken.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #365)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:02 PM

369. They are synonyms.

However, as I said, I will grant that it can have a negative connotation. I offered substitute synonyms, and SPECIFIED in my very first response to you that I do not blame that poster for having been misled.

Still you continue to object.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #369)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:07 PM

374. You should apologize to the poster, not to me.

First of all, you've presented absolutely ZILCH in terms of evidence that the poster HAS been misled. It would have been a stupid and offensive comment even if the poster had, but you being completely unable to provide any information suggesting that the poster has been misled make it stupid, offensive and comically off-base.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #374)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:17 PM

380. The comment is self-evident.

Also, that poster has not objected.

You are massively exaggerating your objection, especially since the comment is accurate.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #380)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:20 PM

382. Their postures were those of ignorant, alpha-male wannabe assholes.

Whether or not they were having their pictures taken has zero affect on that. Yes, the comment IS self-evident. It was your incredibly rude and stupid response to it that I have an issue with. And whether or not the person being insulted/bullied objects to it also has zero bearing on me.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #382)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:22 PM

384. You are specifying a different usage of 'posture' than the context of that comment assumes.

That is fabrication, and you should stop it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #384)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:24 PM

386. Posture could either mean their pose or their behavior.

Either way you slice it, there is NOTHING that poster said was inaccurate.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #386)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:26 PM

389. Says you.

Perhaps the poster in question should pipe in, before you add context to her post.

What I said also remains accurate for the other posts I specified, some of whom were more verbose.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #389)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:30 PM

392. Uhhh, says the dictionary, champ.

No wonder you're so confused here. You're not quite familiar with the concept that words have fixed meanings. If you are going simply by what you believe words to mean, it's very understandable how incredibly confused you are.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #392)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:35 PM

395. Yes, words do have fixed meanings.

And in this case, the post gives context of which specific definition is in play.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #395)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:37 PM

398. And what definition would that be, champ?

Go on, provide the definition that makes what she said any less valid. I'll be waiting.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #398)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:43 PM

403. Noun. Definition one.

a. A position of the body or of body parts: a sitting posture.
b. An attitude; a pose: assumed a posture of angry defiance.

This is not difficult.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #403)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:45 PM

406. Uhhh, that's the one I mentioned champ. I mentioned it a few posts ago, were you not paying

attention?

And again I'll ask you, using that definition, what was wrong with the post you originally responded to? Christ, even little children can admit they were wrong when shown how bereft of logic their arguments are. You can't even come close to doing that.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #406)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:46 PM

409. I did notice that, but you misconstrue it.

You are trying to extend it to their presence that day, and the fact they are armed.

A stance or disposition with regard to something: "Those bases are essential to our military posture in the Middle East"

You're not even subtle.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #409)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:50 PM

412. I misconstrued nothing.

Everything about those fuckers is worthy of scorn. For you to go after someone because they made a comment on their posture is unbelievably stupid. First, it was stupid to assume they didn't know it was a posed picture they were looking at and it was stupid to assume that the fact they were posing for a picture means anything in defense of those stupid fucks. Just stupidity all around.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #412)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:56 PM

416. First, I did not 'go after'.

I immediately specified the boundaries to the objection, for you and the poster above you.
Second, I specified additional posts that are even clearer than that one, in the same misled context.
Third, I am not defending "those stupid fucks: in fact, I used similar language several times.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #416)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:59 PM

420. Suggesting that someone got "suckered" because of a perfectly reasonably comment

is going after in my book. Any way you slice it, it's pretty stupid and counter-productive. Their posing/posturing (whichever term you'd like to use) is ungodly stupid and offensive regardless of whether or not they were having their picture taken. I could have just as easily made the same comment fully knowing the context. You still haven't even attempted to explain why the original comment you objected to was inaccurate. Not even a try.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #420)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:14 PM

428. I am casting aspersions.

You correctly caught that. But they are at, not the OP, but the content author of the info cited in the OP.

I deplore people that try to mislead other people.

I have explained it. Multiple times. You reject the explanation. We are at an impasse, without further input from the poster I responded to.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #283)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:11 PM

326. Brandishing is not the same as pointing or aiming.

They WERE brandishing their guns. I can't speak for anyone else but I never thought they were pointing their weapons straight at the MDA group because the article said the MDA group was inside the restaurant until the OCT group finally moved onto Hooters.

They were flaunting their guns. They were putting their hands on the trigger. They were not carrying their guns slung over their shoulder but in a position that gave them the ability to fire the weapons at any moment. The fact that they were smiling and smirking in a photo doesn't make them seem any less dangerous to me; if anything, it makes them seem more so. But the important part is that they WERE brandishing.

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Response to Nine (Reply #326)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:15 PM

327. No they weren't.

If you think they were, per Texas state law, by all means, call the cops. There's multiple photos of the activity.

Where the fuck do you see fingers on the trigger?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #327)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:32 PM

335. Call the cops? You remind me of someone else on this thread.

In the photo you linked, the guy in the dark green shirt with gold writing sure looks to me like he has finger on a trigger. Is what they are doing illegal by Texas law? I don't know. But they are certainly doing what I call brandishing. If you don't want to call it that, fine. The exact term doesn't matter. Why do YOU think they brought their guns there if not to intimidate?

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Response to Nine (Reply #335)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:42 PM

338. You claim they are breaking the law.

As a law-abiding gun owner, I expect people to be held accountable when breaking the law, even if they happen to be people with guns. (Actually, especially, since I don't condone this behavior at all, and I think the presence of firearms means they should be held to the highest standard)

The guy with the green shirt is perfectly indexed on the side of the receiver. His finger isn't anywhere near entering the trigger guard.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #338)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:54 PM

341. I never made the claim that they are breaking TX law.

I just said one post ago that I don't know Texas law. If you don't think the guy in green has his finger on the trigger, I won't argue with you. But he certainly looks to me like someone who could fire almost instantly.

I think that their intent is to intimidate in order to suppress the free speech and assembly of the MDA group. I also think that they are recklessly creating a very dangerous situation. I think that they are terrorizing the public.

You think the point is whether or not they are technically breaking TX law or skating just on the right side of it, and that is not the most important point to me at all.

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Response to Nine (Reply #341)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:26 PM

348. Yes you did.

"They WERE brandishing their guns."

Brandishing is a crime in any state. Whether it's a gun, a knife, etc. That word has specific legal meaning, commensurate with its conversational meaning as well. If there's a state where brandishing a weapon ISN'T legal, I'll be a monkey's uncle..

Words have meaning. If you didn't mean it that way, ok, but if you did, then SOMEONE needs to call the cops. Because even as a gun owner myself, I can, have, and will in the future, call the cops when I see other gun owners breaking the law. I don't see any gun owners breaking the law in those photos. I think they are being callous asses, for starters, but legal.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #348)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:39 PM

353. Words have meanings beyond a narrow legal definition.

You claimed that we all got suckered because we supposedly thought OCT was pointing guns at MDA. I was telling you I never thought that. I thought that they were out in public flaunting (if you don't like brandishing) their guns, intimidating people, being reckless, etc. You apparently don't think it's terrorizing people to protest a small group by waiting outside a restaurant holding guns. If I recall correctly, you also didn't think it was terrorizing people for a hundred motorcyclists to be surrounding a family in a car and chasing them down a highway. You must have nerves of steel but not all of us are as brave as you seem to be, I guess.

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Response to Nine (Reply #353)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:47 PM

359. Flaunting I agree with.

It carries a negative connotation (horrendous breach of civil discourse) and I totally accept that. Much more better.

You have altered the terms of my objection to the motorcycle thread. No chasing occurred prior to the incident that would have justified fleeing. There are 11 indictments in play though, so we shall see what the juries think of the evidence and testimony of the pre-flight contact between driver and riders. I do not consider a whole bunch of people around me, even inhibiting my movement, on its own, to be threatening behavior. Critical Mass did it to me once every couple months on bicycles, and I never felt threatened. They were just blocking the road to do their thing. An inconvenience, to be sure, but not a threat. There MAY well have been threatening behavior in that instance with the motorcycles, but it is not captured on the video that was publicly shown.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #348)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:16 PM

485. Doesn't really matter - it was agains the TX Penal Code

 

PENAL CODE
TITLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND DECENCY
CHAPTER 42. DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND RELATED OFFENSES

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

--snip --

(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;


Therefore intimidation, therefore disorderly conduct. They should have all been arreseted.

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Response to AAO (Reply #485)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

486. Calculated to alarm is informed by decades of case law.

This event didn't meet that bar, even though, yes, as a reasonable person, one might have been alarmed to see it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #486)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:25 PM

492. It meets the letter of the law. Done discussing.

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #492)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:58 PM

493. That's not how it works in real life.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #493)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:09 PM

494. Hows that?

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #494)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:29 PM

495. Case law informs how officers enforce the black letter of the law.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #495)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 08:54 AM

503. Well, I just read the law, and it seems to apply here, undeniably.

 

I'll agree to disagree. Nice chatting with you AC.

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Response to AAO (Reply #503)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:30 PM

504. I can supply you state appeals court level decisions on this for my state, if you'd like.

Washington's open carry law is similar, except that we are also allowed to open carry pistols.

I don't have the relevant cases from Texas handy.

Our RCW:

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.—RCW 9.41.270


“We note that, in connection with this case, several individuals have commented that they would find it strange, maybe shocking, to see a man carrying a gun down the street in broad daylight. Casad’s appellate counsel conceded that she would personally react with shock, but she emphasized that an individual’s lack of comfort with firearms does not equate to reasonable alarm. We agree. It is not unlawful for a person to responsibly walk down the street with a visible firearm, even if this action would shock some people.”—Washington State Court of Appeals, Division II”

(Casad was still went to jail for related reasons though. Being a felon in possession of a firearm.)

An intent to intimidate would likely fall under the criteria I mentioned upthread, around 'aiming it at them', or gesturing to the gun while staring at them, like one might draw a finger across their neck to signal a threat, etc.

One could make a case that this was merely a political demonstration, albeit, a tasteless, and potentially frightening one.
I'm a gun owner, and I'd be disturbed to see something like that, and I would NEVER carry a gun to a rally of similar nature, even if I was so inclined to protest about something related. (I am not)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #504)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:13 PM

505. A political demonstration that intimidates with guns some mothers eating lunch?

 

Sorry, I'll agree to disagree. EOM

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Response to AAO (Reply #505)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:28 PM

506. It's a language nuance I think.

That it is a political demonstration tends to lend it first amendment cover, actually.

That it might be intimidating to someone doesn't mean it was MEANT to intimidate. Again, I contrast the difference between being armed at the demonstration, versus one of them pointing at the Mothers, then pointing at the rifle, or some similar calculated threatening gesture.

Free speech in some forms isn't always nice, comfortable, neighborly, or even a good idea. (I think that protest was a really bad idea, and wasted whatever general support capital they may have had prior, by being so incredibly unreasonable.)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #506)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 03:21 PM

508. If a bunch of people weilding rifles forms a group outside a restaraunt I'm eating at....

 

I would be very intimidated. I don't like being around ANY guns - they are killing machines and no one can tell what those people have in mind. I think you are being very dismissive of most peoples reaction to that situation. If these gun lovers are so naive that they don't think it is intimidating, then they are too fucking stupid to own a gun, in my world.

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Response to AAO (Reply #508)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 03:33 PM

509. I certainly appreciate your point of view.

I would be concerned as well.

My thoughts on why I wouldn't call the protest unlawful are more centered around what people of the same political persuasion have done to us in the past, with 'free speech zones' and deciding certain protests are a threat, etc. I want to protect the broadest range of political speech, because in the end, it protects me as well, even if it means allowing things like this.

Also, sunlight is a disinfectant. All the gun owners I know personally backed way the hell away from supporting these people.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #509)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 05:21 PM

510. Thanks.

 

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #283)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:14 PM

427. They turned up at the mother's group with guns

That is a clear threat. Are you seriously going to claim you wouldn't see 40 armed men at your door as threatening?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #427)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:16 PM

430. I actually specified that at one point.

I agree, it is easily construed as threatening, within a certain context, and poisonous to civil discourse.
They should not be doing that. It is a self-defeating political strategy.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #430)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:19 PM

433. I just got a text from work

There is a gunman on the premises.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #433)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:21 PM

434. :( Stay safe.

You're not seriously still posting on the internet with a nutbag about?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #434)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:26 PM

437. No, I'm not there now

but even if I were, his location is far (about 1/2 mile) from my office. It's a big place.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #437)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:54 PM

439. I hope your co-workers/the public are ok.

I don't see any news reports yet, but I don't know where I'd be looking.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #439)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 07:11 PM

451. I haven't either

but got a text saying the search was complete and no one was shot. Perhaps it was a false report.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #283)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:05 PM

442. So the fact that these idiots came fully armed in response to a small group meeting....

....somehow means we got them all wrong? Because of a picture angle?

Whoo-kay.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #442)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:07 PM

443. Sigh

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #443)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:09 PM

444. Care to elaborate? nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #444)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:14 PM

445. I have.

Ad nausea.

That is not an aggressive posture. They are taking a two-deep photo. Smiling, fingers off triggers, barrels down, etc.

Yes, they are also assholes, and poisoning public discourse with their 'protest'. But there was an inferred context in the quoted material of the OP that does not exist.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #445)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 11:16 AM

476. The context was that these thugs chose it upon themselves...

...to parade out in a public shopping center parking lot openly carrying semi-automatic rifles. All because a couple of women were inside a restaurant talking gun control.

It's lunacy and intimidation. Period.

I don't care if you think they got a bad rap from a camera angle. That's not the point.

There's no excusing this behavior.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #476)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 11:56 AM

477. And you'll note, I'm not excusing the behavior.

I'm pointing out that specific narrative in the OP's quoted material is misleading.

Am I to be silent when I see a factual error, because pointing out a factual error might by extension be beneficial to the parties in question? Who cares. I will not be silent. I think it can be adequately demonstrated that their behavior is boorish, asshole bullshit, without the false narrative.

In fact, when you allow these false narratives to exist, you aid them. When people then spread the 'look at the posture/hostile pose/intimidation' and the other side can falsify part of that narrative, you actually bolster their position. You reinforce the already strong idea that they are behaving 'normal' or that the behavior can be 'normal' in your target audience. Just by having an easily knocked over 'fact' in the objection.

Stick to the facts, they have no excuses, and no place to hide, no cover for their behavior.

Edit: I won't post it, because it's hostile propaganda, but I've seen the group in question's 'viral' facebook response, and I think in the minds of most people, it adequately deflects the issue, because the false narrative is weak, and can be falsified. That is unfortunate, because it takes the issue that they are poisoning public discourse with their weapons/show of force, off the table.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #477)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:14 PM

479. You will at least admit the intimidation was there, right?

Regardless of whether the fact that one guy appeared to be crouching in a prone position but in actually was just kneeling for a picture, he's strapped with a semi-automatic rifle.

That's intimidation, right? Intimidation is intimidation is intimidation, am I correct?

So if the narrative is that these guys were out there and intimidating the public and/or these women inside, how is that false?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #479)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:58 PM

481. I can see how it can be threatening.

The Mother's group was not engaged in a protest of their own, to warrant a counter-protest, so there's that dimension to it.
Second, a public/protest event in favor of gun ownership need not be festooned with actual firearms.
There is the potential violence dimension to being armed, for a protest.

So, while I reject the brandishing/intimidation interpretation, yes, there is an intimidating element to it, and that has the negative connotation of rules gaming the laws around brandishing, plus just the general distaste of people behaving this way.

And in a way that's helpful, because I think pretty much any reasonable person would look at that and say 'that's not really acceptable'.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #481)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:32 PM

497. It's threatening, bullying (at best) behavior, period. No "can" about it. n/t

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #476)

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:29 PM

496. +1

Quibbling over small details when the whole situation is completely unacceptable, is pretty much the definition of inane...

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:15 PM

345. My tweet conversation with one of the #gunbullies

ME - How about the next time the #gunbullies want to play tough they skip the Moms in a restaurant and go straight on with our military.

Libtard (other person)
The military won't help. This is about self defense, fool.

ME - You need self defense against a bunch of non-armed women? WooHoo! Big Man on Campus!

And that was the last I heard of him..........

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:39 PM

3. That guy in the red shirt

How is that not threatening? Flat out, he should have been arrested at the very least. Outrageous.

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Response to kcr (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:42 PM

6. the other idiots are just standing there, which i guess is legal in that backwards area.

red shirt (and it looks like the douchepile behind him, as well) are obviously brandishing, that's illegal.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:44 PM

7. Yep.

I don't see how anyone can defend that. Who would want anyone standing outside waiting for you holding a gun like that? Geeze. ETA it's hard to tell in the pic, but I don't think he's the only one. It looks like the one guy in a black shirt is holdig a gun too, pointing downwards.

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Response to kcr (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:38 PM

288. Here's the happy gang of nuts

 

:large

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Response to AAO (Reply #288)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:16 PM

460. A RW friend sent me this:



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Response to Keefer (Reply #460)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:55 PM

461. That's bullshit!

I don't care what they looked like from the front.

They should all be in jail.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #461)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:29 AM

462. In jail for what?

 

Besides being colossal dicks, what TX. laws have they broken?

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #462)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:13 AM

470. Menacing and brandishing a weapon

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #470)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:14 AM

471. Police on the scene disagree with you.

 

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #471)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:40 AM

472. Redneck cops let a bunch of armed thugs terrorize liberals

Go figure.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #472)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:43 AM

473. If that's what makes you sleep better at night,

 

go for it, but again, the cops and the state of TX disagrees with you.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #473)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 09:35 AM

474. The state of TX disagrees with logic in many cases. FUCK Texas - I'll never go there.

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #474)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:03 PM

478. Don't go there, that's your right,

 

I don't have that choice, sometimes my job requires it.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #478)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:06 PM

483. I have nothing against normal everyday Texans - just their politicians and the moron teabaggers.

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #483)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:12 PM

484. On that we can agree on.

 

Most of my dealings have to do with coordinating with TX. LEA's, not ordinary citizens, but I do find most of the citizens of TX to be warm, friendly people, plus, their TexMex food is to die for.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #472)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:42 AM

515. You hate cops but want people arrested.

Interesting.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #515)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:32 PM

516. I hate the corrupt ones that won't protect unarmed women

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #516)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:49 PM

517. What protection was required? There was never a threat.

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Response to kcr (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:50 PM

13. he should still be identified and arrested

but of course, that won't happen..

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Response to kcr (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:47 PM

162. absolutely!

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Response to kcr (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 08:37 PM

225. I would be horrified to see these assholes in person.

This looks like something out of a movie. How do they get away with it?

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:40 PM

4. Fucking idiots

This is why I oppose open carry.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:16 PM

38. What they are doing is open intimidation. People should not carry guns in public, concealed, open,


or tucked up their . . . . . . .to resemble a body part.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:39 PM

89. Classy as always Hoyt - please don't change. .nt

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:44 PM

157. But they are all

"responsible" gun owners who are just exercising their Second Amendment rights to be complete assholes in the name of Freedom and Justice. It's not surprising where this is allowed to happen.

Just the kind of unstable ignorant bullies and imbeciles that you want to see with a gun.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:40 PM

230. I've seen a number of your posts concerning guns and the seem to be as nutty as the

Gun owners. Why is that? I understand your opposition but why the act, if it is an act. Like another poster posted, "classy as always" I think he said.

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Response to Packerowner740 (Reply #230)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:46 PM

231. Why post rationally to people who have to strap on a gun to venture out in public?

Easiest thing to do is use the ignore button. You would not be the first.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #231)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:11 PM

236. "Why post rationally"?

It's the only way to be taken seriously.

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Response to Packerowner740 (Reply #236)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:36 PM

239. Ha! That's funny!

 

Hoyt? Taken seriously? On gun issues?

That horse has left the building.

But at least he adds some levity to otherwise contentious subjects.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #239)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:06 PM

298. "Discussing" gun issues here is a waste of time, for the most part.

 

Sure, I've had some constructive conversations on gun control here (thus the "for the most part", but they're rare. It's mostly irrational histrionics, seeing how far you can go without getting alerted, and trying to goad the opposition into a ban-worthy outburst.

Allowing gun threads in GD remains one of the worst admin decisions ever made on DU.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #239)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:48 PM

458. So is he really serious in what he posts or is he just yanking the chain?

Is he not even worth responding to?

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Response to Packerowner740 (Reply #458)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:13 PM

459. Both, actually .....

 

..... He is fun to watch, but I wouldn't bother responding, you won't get a satisfying reply.

I'm sure he believes what he says.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:40 PM

5. Did the restaurant owner think the moms would riot?

Surely he didn't think the law-abiding OCT fellows would riot. Right?

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:44 PM

8. Insanity! We're spending billions warring on "terrorism" and...

these thugs are getting worse.

Forty useless shits show up to frighten four women? That's 10 sets of balls each-- real men there.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:47 PM

97. In the gun owners defense, if they didn't have their assault weapons,

the women would've kicked their ass, so they needed them for their own protection.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:45 PM

9. Well this is frightening!

A bunch of guns loose on the streets From the pic, it looks like automatic assault rifles too. It's a miracle nobody was killed. I would have been scared out of my wits if I had been there!

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Response to Ava Gadro (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:09 PM

26. Those were not automatic assault rifles, just semi auto clones of real assault rifles,

 

that said, what a bunch of assholes, this is why I adamantly oppose open carry, it's foolish and counterproductive.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:11 PM

31. So, folks who are attracted to "clones" of real assault rifles are still sick losers. Maybe sicker


than those who have the real thing.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:24 PM

56. We all have our own opinion, there's yours,

 

and then there's mine, just as valid as anyone else's.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:26 PM

63. You are a gun promoter/lover, I get that.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #63)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:29 PM

71. I am?

 


Thanks for letting me know, I would've never known without your extraordinary internet psychic abilities.
I tip my hat to your "special" skills.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:04 PM

114. What special skills were needed to determine that there were no fully automatic

 

weapons in that group?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #114)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:11 PM

122. There are very few full auto rifles legally owned in this country,

 

what are the chances that one of these morons is carrying one? Especially considering that this reaction could have very well gotten a police response with the chance of the weapons being confiscated pending a court hearing.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #122)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:08 PM

183. That's not much comfort to those being intimidated.

 

How would police recognize a semi-auto converted to full auto?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #183)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:13 PM

187. It's not that easy to convert a modern semi auto to a full auto,

 

and the ATF takes a very dim view of such practices, that will get someone a stint in club fed for a minimum of 20 years, and federal prisons don't have such things as parole.

What are the chances that any of these morons are carrying an illegally converted rifle at a protest?

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #187)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:24 PM

196. It only takes one moron. Again, your rationalizations are no comfort to those being intimidated. nm

 

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #187)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:44 PM

357. Since it's in Texas

probability approaching 1000%.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #357)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:50 PM

361. More like probablility approaching 0.00%.

 

Unless they want to be guests of club fed courtesy of the fed. govt.

These morons had to figure that the police were going to be called and no one wants to get caught with an illegal machine gun, that would put you on the fast track for incarceration.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #361)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:03 PM

370. Anyone stupid enough to pull a stunt like this

is absolutely stupid enough to bring their full auto conversion and show it off.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #370)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:07 PM

373. I seriously doubt it.

 

During my whole career, I ran into exactly 0 illegally converted or owned machine guns, most people don't want to get caught with those weapons, that's federal and, unlike state prison terms, there is no parole in the federal system.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #183)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:05 AM

269. That would be a felony...

Even gun lunatics aren't stupid enough to carry an illegal fully-automatic weapon in plain view.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #269)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:01 PM

421. I dont think you can tell a illegally converted automatic weapon from sight.

 

And I dont agree that some arent that stupid. They were, after all, using their guns to intimidate some ladies. That's stupid right there.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #421)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:05 PM

424. There's "I'm An Asshole" Stupid and then there's "I'm Going To Jail" Stupid...

These guys are definitely part of the "I'm An Asshole" Stupid congregation. They know really, really well what the law will and won't allow -- mostly because they can't stand those laws and piss and moan about them constantly.

They know enough to keep out of jail, and they're definitely not going to risk having someone in law enforcement notice that their "baby" is not street legal. If you know what to look for, you actually can tell on sight if a semi has been converted to full auto.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #421)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:18 PM

432. And you would be wrong,

 

it would take me all of 5 seconds to determine if a weapon has been converted from semi to full auto.
These fools aren't going to take that chance, knowing full well that LE will most likely be called to check them out.

These fools want to make a statement, however foolish it is, not spend at least a decade in club fed and pay a $100,000 fine and lose their 2A rights.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #183)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:17 PM

328. In the case of the AR, pop the take-down pin and look inside.

See an auto-sear? See a full length bolt with disconnect? 10 year federal felony with a $100,000 fine.

Trivial to do.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #63)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:35 PM

82. Curious.

 

Is this your usual MO? Label people, whom you know nothing about, as gun promoters/lovers just because you disagree with them? Is this how you plan to change minds?
If so, you really should use a different tactic, because, quite honestly, it ain't working.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #82)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:55 PM

104. Hoyt has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek

He is so over the top it can be nothing else. Typical discussion board performance art.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #104)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:59 PM

112. So it would seem.

 

I get a kick out of reading his posts on gun issues.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #82)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:56 PM

108. yes it is

 

There are a few that label anyone who does not agree 100% with their POV

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #82)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:48 AM

279. Quite honestly I could care less about changing the hearts and minds of gun promoters/lovers

They are already in the minority and only enjoy political relevancy by ALEC and other right wing organizations throwing massive amounts of campaign cash around. The idea that anyone has a vested interest in pandering to their paranoia is not a good one.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #82)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:38 PM

399. You mean you are not a gun promoter/lover?

Could have fooled me and the people in Gun Control Reform Activism.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #399)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:43 PM

405. Not even close.

 

I could care less if people own firearms, carry firearms.
I guess that you fool easily then, and just to clarify, I am not calling you a fool, far from it.

If your talking about this thread,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12625056

kindly point out where I am promoting/loving guns.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #399)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:55 PM

415. Hmmmm, I noticed you made an assumption about me in a group I've been blocked from,

 

so, let me answer it here, I have never been a member of the NRA, would never be a member of the NRA and detest the NRA.
Satisfied?

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:01 PM

113. Sorry, failure in logic there

As they say, everyone is entitled to their opinion (I'm not certain that old adage has any value but that's for another time).

However that does NOT mean that all opinions are equally valid. To be pedantic about it, "valid" and "opinion" don't really belong in the same sentence. Measuring the value of an opinion is an analog thing, not an either/or proposition. For example, Sarah Palin's opinions on foreign policy have a measure greater than zero, though said value is so infinitesimally small that it has yet to be measured. John Kerry's opinions on same are not unquestionably correct in all cases, and thus not "one", but are immeasurably greater than Palin's.

Your opinions on guns, Guns Rights Activists, and their actions in this case are not valid or invalid. They exist in a grey area somewhere in between. I happen to think they lean rather heavily in one direction, though I will leave it to you to figure out which.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #113)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:06 PM

118. I disagree,

 

My opinion is just as valid as anyone else, now if you want to talk facts, that's a different color of horse.

See, your opinion of my opinion are just as valid as my opinion of your opinion of my post.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #118)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:23 PM

135. No. Facts are valid or invalid; opinions are not

You can disagree all you like, you'll still be wrong. Your opinion is only relevant commensurate to the value other people give it, i.e. do they feel you are objective, informed, and intelligent enough to be worth listening to. Your opinion may be just as valid TO YOU, but that only matters if you enjoy standing in an empty closet speaking to yourself.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #135)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:25 PM

137. That's your opinion, which I disagree with

 

which is my opinion of your post.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #137)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:31 PM

142. Apparently I have confused you

My apologies.

You have a smurfy day now, hear?

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #142)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:36 PM

147. Not you,

 

I think I confused myself with my first answer to you, it took about 10 minutes for me to untwist my tongue and brain.
You have a good day too.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #142)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:37 PM

240. Well done tk

 

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #142)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:31 PM

489. Not really, as this

one knows how to play the game after returning from the pizza shop on more than one occasion.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #489)

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 05:53 PM

511. You have any proof of this accusation and why don't you address me directly?

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:52 PM

169. to be fair, owning one of those and parading around with it like a douchebag are two different thing

s.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:35 AM

277. I just don't think you should carry assault weapons in public

 


I mean these guys stated goal is to get people used to seeing people carrying them in public.

I think that's a bad idea.

Where I live I see people carrying shotguns and rifles all the time in hunting season. I do it. I'm used to it.

However if I see a guy with an AK or AR or a Uzi or something in public, like a mall or downtown street I want to know he's trouble and
get something between he and I.

I feel like allowing open carry of assault rifles could give a person a false sense of complacency when the person is a mass shooter.

I also think carrying AK's or AR's or something line an FN-FAL is too dangerous to use AGAINST a mass shooter due to the energy of the bullets causing richochets and stuff.

So let me restate:

I have nothing against so called assault rifles, but I think the stated goal of getting the public used to them on the streets, given the numbers of mass shootings recently is a bad thing and could wind up getting some people shot when they thought a mass shooter was just some crazy redneck parading around with his gun playing army.

I think assault rifles in the city as a defense are too dangerous and think only pistol rounds that won't richochet or travel as far are the only safe self defense rounds in the city.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:19 PM

191. Thanks for pointing this out to me.

I did not know the difference. All I've ever heard these guns called on TV is "automatic assault rifles" or some number that I can't recall. I probably have this confused and should have refrained for commenting other than I'm glad the members were not killed.

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 08:18 PM

223. who the fuck cares what they were? This assholes should be in jail and all firearms illegal.

 

If person owns a gun they are a potential murderer and should be treated like one.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #223)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:47 PM

232. That sounds as crazy as the

"All men are potential rapists because they have the equipment" or "all women are potential prostitutes because the have the equipment".

I've seen both off those many times and it's just as nutty.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #223)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:16 AM

248. So all men should be treated as potential rapists because they have a penis?

 


That's just as stupid as your post.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #223)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:24 AM

252. This is absolutely right!

They all need to go.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:46 PM

10. Fuckin gun nuts

With their violent rhetoric and violent open threats like this one... They really do need to have their guns taken away.

But noooooo... We still support their 'right' to be murderous assholes.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:47 PM

11. Gun cultists are bullies. Police should have arrested those losers.

Photo looks like your typical group of bigoted gun loving yahoos.

Moron Labes.

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Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:50 PM

12. why are three of those fools taking cover behind a car and brandishing? they hiding from a sniper?

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Response to dionysus (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:54 PM

15. Why? Because it's acting. It's not real. It's Astroturf.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:55 PM

17. No, it's sick gun nuttery, and it's time we quit putting up with this crap.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:03 PM

22. It is public theater.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:10 PM

28. This is not theater, this is terrorism

Brandishing guns to threaten political opponents is terrorism by definition.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:22 PM

50. If you really believed that, you would report them to the police instead of just posting here.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:25 PM

58. I am supposed to call the police over a news article?

Do you call the police every time you read about a crime in the news?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:29 PM

70. If you believe the law was broken, passionately so, call the police. I dare you.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:33 PM

78. I dare you to call the police every time you read a story in the news which involves a broken law.

You keep insisting I call the police but you keep dodging me when I suggest you call the police over a news story in which you think a law was broken.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #78)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:34 PM

79. See #76. You claim to believe that the photo is real. I think it was staged.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:47 PM

96. Wow. You cannot see that this looks threatening?

How can you expect people to (my words > ) "Get it" when you won't try to "Get it" from
the perspective of people who can't possibly know these are not real guns?

That's some pretty crappy theater.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:08 PM

235. Which one of the Rhodes Scholars in the picture is you?

 

Do you ever wonder why you find yourself defending some of the dumbest fuckstains to ever draw a breath and jack off to images of Sarah Palin? I do.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #235)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:22 PM

237. If you want to see a Rhodes Scholar, try this photo:

 



Even HRC has gone hunting.

Here's a photo of someone who is very smart even if he is not a Rhodes Scholar:


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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #237)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:43 PM

244. What the hell do Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have to do with the open carry idiots?

Maybe you can point them out to me, but I sure as hell am not seeing either of their faces in the crowd of gun toting idiots this thread is about. I am pretty sure that neither one of them would approve of the sort of open carry terroristic intimidation tactics the assholes in Open Carry Texas are engaging in.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #244)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:46 PM

245. IMO, nobody should approve of open carry. But you indicated that you wanted to see a Rhodes Scholar

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #245)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:55 PM

247. Actually no, I did not indicate that I wanted to see a Rhodes scholar

And I am pretty certain the Rhodes Scholar that you did include a picture of would tell you that you are taking that picture of him way out of context if you think it is in any way comparable to the open carry idiots this thread is focused on.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #70)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:39 PM

241. How old are you

 

cuz you sound like a nut or a kid

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #70)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:02 PM

296. sleep well, sweet, sweet prince.. polish your precious for me!

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Response to dionysus (Reply #296)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:10 PM

342. Thank you, administrators. At long last...... (nt)

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:42 PM

242. +1

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:14 PM

35. It is a bunch of white gun bigots intimidating people. You can call it theater, but it's terrorism.


What -- other than your gun love -- makes you try to label it theater?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:16 PM

39. Why don't you find out when the two groups are having their next meeting? You could be on one

 

side and have your picture taken?

Just expect more group meetings like this.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:18 PM

41. Hopefully next time the terrorists at these "group meetings" will be arrested

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:20 PM

44. If you are really concerned, prove it. Call the police for the current activity and report it.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:21 PM

48. If I witnessed something like that I would call the police on those terrorists

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:22 PM

52. You did witness that. You saw the OP with the photo, above. Take action instead of making excuses.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:26 PM

64. Do you call the police every time you read a crime story?

If so I suspect the police are quite sick of you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:28 PM

67. So you're not going to call the police? I dare you to do so.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:30 PM

73. Answer the question. Do you call the police every time you read a crime story in the news?

I dare you to do so.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:32 PM

76. Everytime that I believe that photographic evidence of someone brandishing a gun, and I post

 

comments about it, I do.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:38 PM

86. Well I assume the police are really annoyed with you then

Sorry, but if I were to call the police over every article I read in which I thought a law was broken I would be on the phone with the police constantly. Nobody except a complete moron would call the police over a news article unless they had info beyond what is in the news. The police are no doubt aware of this story already.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #86)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:56 PM

106. You mean, you haven't heard of the internet article police investigation team?

They sit there by their phones eagerly awaiting those calls by alert citizens scoping the internet, on the alert for evidence of crime. They can't do it alone, dammit!

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 06:20 PM

213. you're just afraid cases like this will make the gummint take away your pew pew pew toys, arent you?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:08 PM

227. Really? You're "daring" an anonymous poster on the Internet? Ooooohhhh. Well, okay, then.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:21 PM

134. FFS are you in that picture or something? quit badgering already.

 

cripes.

call 911 yourself or take your meds or something

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:57 PM

293. Why should I reply to a pizza?

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:21 PM

49. There are plenty of group meetings of bigots and their guns, long before Mothers Against Guns.

Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)





Shoot, go to any gun show or store. You'll see the same losers drooling over guns.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:36 PM

84. what a diverse group. two of them are left handed. nt

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Response to dionysus (Reply #84)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:40 PM

91. LMAO. According to the gun guy above, they are just actors.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:27 PM

285. And your feelings on these guys?


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Response to SQUEE (Reply #285)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:38 PM

289. First, I have seen a number of right wing bigots throw that photo out to justify their gun love.


Second, those guys really don't scare me because most are likely dead now, and were making a valid point at the time, one that obviously escapes you.

Those in my post are alive, promoting gunz and hatred right now. They are a threat to our country.

But thanks for confirming -- "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=640994

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #289)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:10 PM

299. As an admited felonious character, I can see why you fear guns..

And I I see more threat to our country from armed robbers than idiots posturing with guns, they have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, you admit to being a dangerous felon.... only circumstance has kept you from killing someone, and yet you want to heap your guilt and lack of self control on to others.
BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, you are a dangerous and unlawful person.
As I see it you really have no place to stand on this as your own interest in the matter is purely self preservation.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #299)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:28 PM

309. Nope, SQUEE, I am not a felon. You need to learn to read in context and quit spewing gun love and


use of guns for intimidation and hatred. You are also a stalker, who again can't read in context. Go stroke your gunz.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #309)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 06:25 PM

448. You bragged about commiting a felony.

I am quite certain you made such post in complete honesty, that or you are just lying to illicit a response, taking on a persona that will illicit a response from people a Dramatis Personae of sorts in your ongoing crusade against lawful Americans, using terror, theft and humorous juxtoposition to ... well i haven't figured that out, but I keep watching, much like Eraserhead to figure out what it is you are on about.
tschüß, Mon frere, have a wonderful day.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:59 PM

294. Same as playing cowboys and indians as a kid.

 

Fucking moron loser dress-up pretenders.

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Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:45 PM

94. You're calling a long time member a troll?

 

Ever heard of the term Pot, Kettle?

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Response to Ranchemp. (Reply #94)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:24 PM

512. But he WAS a troll

Slick - a gun troll. Sometimes it just takes a little longer to expose them. Know what I mean?

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Response to billh58 (Reply #512)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:26 PM

513. Ya. There are trolls on both sides of the issue, doncha know!

 

Some are really obvious.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #512)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 11:00 AM

514. No, I don't know what you mean,

 

Sparky.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:21 PM

47. If you really believed that, you would report them to the police instead of just posting here.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:57 PM

177. At least you waited until post #35 to play the race card.

 

/rolleyes

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #177)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:19 PM

221. You must have missed this: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=640994

Of course, anyone honest about guns does not need a study to prove that, as I was saying over a year ago in the Gungeon. The truth hurt some of the gun folks.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #177)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:15 AM

250. Yeah, got there faster than the penis card!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #250)

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:45 AM

278. As gun manufacturers and marketeers have recognized, the "penis card" sells guns to yahoos.



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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:37 PM

148. So is cross-burning, which I imagine the goons who pulled this stunt

 

also indulge in.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #148)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:39 PM

151. I'm not Black but I assume that the KKK would like to disarm all Black Americans.