I really hope this primary does not cause the same lasting bitterness on DU

[La Lioness Priyanka]

that the last primary did.

outside of DU, most people recovered just fine and if they supported HRC (or other candidates) they lent support to Obama. Inside DU the battle seemed to be never ending.

I really hope this primary does not tear DU apart the same way.

(Also, i am annoyed that we are always in election mode)

[dionysus]

1. i hear ya. it'll be ugly...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. it doesn't have to be. i am not sure why we need to be resigned to the fact

that it has to be ugly

i think supporting your candidate is fine. i think trying to bring down other candidate is what gets us in trouble repeatedly

[PeaceNikki]

2. Buckle up, buttercup.

It's gonna be far worse.

I predict.....

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. i think people should be mindful of repeating the same set of mistakes

over and over again

but i know you are right

[JHB]

3. Which primary? Who's running?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. 2016. Dunno.

[JHB]

21. Can we wait until at least this point in 2015 before we fret too much...

...about bitter, divisive primaries?

And maybe remind ourselves about why things got so rancorous in 2008 before assuming that will be a regular feature in all primaries?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. they have already started on DU. maybe read gd before you think i am

unnecessarily fretting?

[JHB]

31. I read it just fine, thanks. I've seen those threads, and you are still...

...unnecessarily fretting.

Things got bitter in 2008 because it went from "Hillary's turn" to a real fight, with both top contenders backed by big money and passionate partisans.

Who'd be the contender this time, especially if Hillary doesn't make the same arrogant mistakes her campaign made in 2008?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. warren? o'malley? i dunno, someone else who is charismatic

[dsc]

35. I love O'Malley's record

but charismatic he isn't.

[JHB]

38. Which pretty much illustrates my point. Anything said right now is froth.

Particularly on a semi-anonymous internet message board.

Can we work on GOTV for 2014 before picking favorites for two years later?

[KittyWampus]

5. Dear Lioness, it seems to me DU'ers generally 'get over it' and come together. It really is just

It really is just a handful of loudmouth agitators who make it seem otherwise. IMO.

A handful of real lefties who are extremist in their cause and a handful of ratfucking rightwingers pretending to be lefties just to cause trouble on the internets.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. there are plenty of aggressive moderates too on DU that cause their own set of issues

but yeah i overall agree with you

[SidDithers]

8. +1...

especially that last part.

Sid

[Zorra]

22. I expect that if Sen. Warren were to get the nomination, many centrists will vote republican.

Like the 32% of Democrats who voted for republican Chris Christie, or the 36% who voted for Reagan.

Leftists, and real liberal Democrats, never vote for republicans.

And please don't come at me with the tired old BS about Nader, because "Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush."

It's a shame, but although leftists do get over it, and stay loyal to the party, many centrists can't handle the idea of even a moderately liberal Democrat getting into office. So they vote for the republican candidate who they feel is more in line with their conservative leaning beliefs.


I didn't even vote in the centrist primary between Clinton and Obama. I didn't even hardly post here during primary season. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Meh. Go Democrats, whoever you are, you're better than a republican, pull the lever, go home, hope in the next 8 years some social justice movement will change the status quo to make it more humane and actually give a Real Deal progressive a chance to become President.

Personally, I've already resigned myself to a centrist Democrat getting the nomination, because the centrist will have the backing of the 1%, and the MSM that the 1% owns, and we leftists will pinch our noses and vote for her/him, just like we do in every Presidential election.

Barbara Buono Gives Scathing Speech Criticizing Fellow Democrats

In her concession speech, Buono praised supporters who "withstood the onslaught of betrayal from our own political party."

"The Democratic political bosses, some elected and some not, made a deal with this governor," she said, according to NorthJersey.com. "They didn’t do it for the state. They did it out of a desire to help themselves."

Over the course of the 2013 campaign, several Democrats in New Jersey crossed party lines and backed Christie's reelection bid, including Sea Bright, N.J. Mayor Dina Long, state Sen. Brian Stack (D-Union City), Essex County Executive Joe DiVincenzo, and Spring Lake Mayor Jennifer Naughton.

Buono's last-minute campaign efforts also came with little involvement from President Barack Obama or other high-profile Democrats. Obama included her in a final-push email encouraging Democrats to head to the polls, but according to the Newark (N.J.) Star-Ledger, that left some irritated Dems questioning whether Obama did more for Christie. The duo had a notable embrace back in May at an event to promote tourism post-Hurricane Sandy, while Buono was in the audience and only able to meet with the president before his speech.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/barbara-buono-democrats_n_4222361.html

Remember when Sen Warren ran against the incumbent Scott Brown? The facts don't lie.

http://www.scottbrown.com/action-center/democrats-for-brown/

[FSogol]

23. True. n/t

[jpak]

9. It's DU - it's what we're good at

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. aint that the truth

[spanone]

10. years away....we have enough 'shit' to worry about before we start fighting primary wars

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. they've already started

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. That's how it was for me in 2008.

I supported HRC, with certain misgivings, and considered Obama to be jumping the gun (and better suited to a 2016 run). Nothing's changed that opinion over the last six years, either. But I supported Obama after he got the nomination. Oh, I had the luxury, living in a state that was never going to swing red, of having that support be a bit tepid, I admit. But the GOP alternatives, in 2008 and 2012, were so clearly unacceptable that it was a no-brainer.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. i felt the same way. i was really glad when he won and have supported him

as much as possible ever since

[L0oniX]

15. Silly DU. The next president will be one of the two that the 1% select as candidates.

[LWolf]

17. We've got 3 years before the primaries.

Or, at least 2. I hope we can avoid crowning anyone before all the candidates have even announced that they're running.

[gopiscrap]

18. I agree

[Marrah_G]

19. I hope so too

I still have people on ignore because they refused to stop after the primary.

[DonCoquixote]

20. Sorry but it will, and already is.

Hillary will pull out the same old lines she did, with everyone primarying her being too left, too geeky, not experienced enough, not a woman, not the "right" woman, etc. There is a group of people here that simply put, think Hillary is already the one, who, if Hillary wins, will spend the next 8 years saying "If Obama let Hillary run things in 2008, she would have made a proper leader of him, instead of the mediocre one we will be sure history remembers him as."

I do look forward to seeing the Jane Hamshers and Arriana Huffingtons bend themselves into pretzels, as they slammed Obama because he was too far to the right, yet they will be throwing palm leaves in St. Hillary's path when she invades the Middle east, or continues the "welfare reform" her husband started, supports the keystone pipeline, the TPP, outsourcing to India, and any number of things she has been shown to be for, she has spoken out for, independtly of that man who happens to be her husband. I am sure they will say all of these things are brave, bold, leftist procedures, in acts of verbal gymnatics that would make Orwell's head spin.

Then again, let's not forget Bill either, that man who already has his office picked out for the much too powerful to be official position of "Minister of Charisma and Bullshit artistry." Will that office have cigars and an intern waiting? What else will be waiting for us, or for him? As mich as I would love to think this country would not let another impeachment happen or who was fucking in the Lincoln Bedroom, I know better. You will also forgive me if the people who helped Wal mart become what it is are not my picks for the people that will take it on.

I am sorry to be bitter, but I remember leaving Smirking Chimp when people I thought were comrades (in the red-capped revolutionary sense of the word) called me sexist, dumb, typical of my "stupid generation", and a list of other words, then of course, I came here, and found the same crap.

and yes, let me repeat the loyalty oath, yes, if she wins the primary in 2016, I will vote for her. I do not care if the GOP somehow gets someone that makes Jesus look like a sleazeball, I know Cheney and Norquist will be waiting.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. have you considered that posts like this is part of the problem?

99% of your post is wild speculation

[DonCoquixote]

36. Here is why I disagree

check the 2016 posts versus 2014 posts, 2016 is on here, usually about the invetability of Hillary. This is the same crap done in 2008, and it may get the same results as 2008. If they do not want us to react to Hillary running, people need to stop psting how she is invetiable and the only choice.

[NoOneMan]

26. Its a good thing we have an inevitable candidate this year

I hear thatll discourage freshmen congresspeople from running, as they couldn't possibly defeat this person. How can something that's inevitable not happen?

[peace13]

27. Keep talking about it, years before it's time and...

I am certain that things can be whipped to a froth.

[Whisp]

28. The word is out there on how Hillary is the inevitable perfection of win

And those stories, which I am sure the bulk of them are started by clinton surrogates, get brought here and are, ahem, discussed.

If the line of Hillary will walk into the Oval Office unimpeded wasn't out there so would a lot less talk about her not deserving it just because it's 'her turn'.

If media is talking, why shouldn't DU?

[bigwillq]

29. I can't wait for the nastiness

ON DU.

That's when DU is most fun!!!

[randome]

30. What will cause more lasting bitterness is losing 2014 by focusing so much on 2016.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. SO TRUE

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. This place will be unreadable by 2016

that is my prediction. I might continue to read, but post much, not really. Not any longer. This is a place run for partisan ends, to support the chosen candidate. I just wish they were honest about that.

So buckle up, it is going to be worst and the purity brigade is going to be on steroids.

[hrmjustin]

37. I heavily campaigned for Hillary in 2008 and when she lost I happily supported Obama.

I hope whoever wins the nomination we all fight for the nominee.

[Auntie Bush]

39. You speak for me!

[Demo_Chris]

40. I'm sure we will all support the nominee with our votes...

But I will not WORK for Hillary to be elected. After Clinton, Bush, and Obama, I've had enough "Compassionate Conservatives."

[liberal_at_heart]

41. Unless we get some seriously populist liberal candidates I will probably be avoiding a lot of the

political threads because if I don't I will probably be banned. I'm okay with being quiet though. Although the site can silence my voice on DU it cannot silence my voice out in the real world. I will work to get local and national populist liberal candidates elected whether I'm allowed to talk about it on DU or not.

[JVS]

42. It won't be as bad.

Mostly because DU just isn't as lively a place as it used to be.