Coffee Talk #2: Bill Clinton style Triangulation.

[Ninga]

The current flap about whether Bill Clinton's remark "letting people keep their health insurance"
was good for 2014 candidates and thus Hillary because it provided "distance" between them and Obamacare..supposedly another genius Bill Clinton move...

I am not in the triangulation camp. I think it's time for our party to grow a pair when it comes to correcting or reworking Obamacare because at the end of the day 2014 candidates can take credit for the fix...as opposed to triangulation a GOP creation.

[lostincalifornia]

1. ask the man, (bill clinton), who gave us the deregulation the republicans started

[Ninga]

2. That, NAFTA and hurtful welfare reform. Nt

[lostincalifornia]

3. He did a lot of damage to the Democratic party

[JVS]

4. There isn't going to be a correction or reworking of Obamacare to take credit for.

Republicans will offer delay or repeal only. Democrats might be able to introduce legislation in the Senate that would "let people keep their old plans" (in reality this would be a delay in some of the requirements of coverage) but the House won't go along with it, especially if it requires funding.

[Puzzledtraveller]

5. It's leveraging.

It's what all politicians do and always will do. IMO.

[Ninga]

7. Not! GOP operative DICK MORRIS is the father of triangulation, read.

Taken from Tegan Goddard's political dictionary:

triangulation
The act of a political candidate presenting his or her views as being above and between the left and right sides of the political spectrum. It’s sometimes called the “third way.”
The term was first used by political consultant Dick Morris while working on the re-election campaign of President Clinton in 1996. Morris urged Clinton to adopt a set of policies that were different from the traditional policies of the Democratic Party in order to co-opt the opposition.
Morris described triangulation in an interview on Frontline in 2000: “Take the best from each party’s agenda, and come to a solution somewhere above the positions of each party. So from the left, take the idea that we need day care and food supplements for people on welfare. From the right, take the idea that they have to work for a living, and that there are time limits. But discard the nonsense of the left, which is that there shouldn’t be work requirements; and the nonsense of the right, which is you should punish single mothers. Get rid of the garbage of each position, that the people didn’t believe in; take the best from each position; and move up to a third way. And that became a triangle, which was triangulation.”
Morris also offered a definition in his book Power Plays: “The idea behind triangulation is to work hard to solve the problems that motivate the other party’s voters, so as to defang them politically… The essence of triangulation is to use your party’s solutions to solve the other side’s problems. Use your tools to fix their car.”

[Puzzledtraveller]

8. what are you talking about?

[Ninga]

9. Equating leveraging and triangulation. Bill Clinton's remarks are being used to triangulate

the rollout issues of Obamacare....to supposedly leverage Hillary.

[Puzzledtraveller]

10. I think it's a way to leave a space

for possible future use. That's just my opinion.

[Ninga]

11. You could be right..who am into say you are not? I am just looking at the damage it

has caused by allowing the GOP to say "Bill Clinton is right".

[KittyWampus]

6. it was good for the Insurance industry and Hillary

[arthritisR_US]

12. He is in essence throwing consumer protections out

the window and if he gets the whole thing turfed thousands won't have health care because of their pre existing conditions!

[Laelth]

13. Truman's sound advice comes to mind.

No apologizing for the ACA!

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

-Laelth