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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:01 PM Nov 2013

Charles Pierce: The Beginning Of What Might Be The End

The Beginning Of What Might Be The End

By Charles P. Pierce

So Bill Clinton, pretty plainly already in campaign mode, sounds the alarm in favor of the Shoddy Health Insurance Plan Protection Act of 2013, and some Democratic politicians saddle up? Forgive me if I say that I have seen this movie before.

The unspoken -- but fundamental -- basis for Clinton's triangulation on most issues during his time in office was somehow to enact something resembling progressive social policies while still staying in the good graces of the financial services industry and the Masters Of The Universe therein. This was a plausible strategy in the longterm only if a) you had a never-ending tech boom and an eternal housing bubble in your pocket, and b) there were still some Republicans invested in the notion that the United States should have a functioning national government. Neither of those elements exist today. The MOTU proved to be essentially destructive to the world economy, throwing us into a recession from which most of us have not yet crawled. And the Republicans have gone insane, giving themselves over entirely to a campaign of vandalism that is unprecedented in the history of the country. In short, this is no longer time to be listening to Bill Clinton on everything. His politics were formed in a different time under different circumstances.

If the Democratic party, through its elected leaders, bails on the health-care law even so far as go out of its way to let people keep their lousy insurance plans that do not come up to the Affordable Care Act's specifications, that's pretty much the ballgame. There will be barbering and compromising until hell won't have it and, eventually, the only thing left will be the Medicaid expansion, and we all know the vast influence that poor and lower middle class people have over the political process. (And, as Steve M shrewdly notes, the Democrats will get blamed for the deleterious effects of any changes now anyway.) There is far less of a downside right now to being stubborn, regardless of what the courtier press is telling nervous Democrats. Otherwise, the tracks already are cleared and you can hear the the train a-comin'.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bill-clinton-obamacare-rewrite-111313

How The GOP's 'Keep Your Health Plan' Bill Disrupts Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024025850

Bill Clinton Is Wrong. This Is How Obamacare Works.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024026395

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Charles Pierce: The Beginning Of What Might Be The End (Original Post) ProSense Nov 2013 OP
Who will later be blamed for allowing the junk plans to continue and multiply? moondust Nov 2013 #1
Wow! I just ripped Charles Pierce in another thread. Laelth Nov 2013 #2
They're getting suckered: ProSense Nov 2013 #3
Cowardice is not helpful. Laelth Nov 2013 #4
Kicked, Recommended, and Bookmarked! Shut up, Bill! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #5
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #6
It seems to me that although those SheilaT Nov 2013 #7
Thank You mtasselin Nov 2013 #8
Bill doesn't need to get his hair mussed…We are moving on to single-payer. silvershadow Nov 2013 #9
K & R Scurrilous Nov 2013 #10
I was so mad that he butted his... ReRe Nov 2013 #11
"giving themselves over entirely to a campaign of vandalism that is unprecedented" uponit7771 Nov 2013 #12
The DLC Screws Us All Yet Again cantbeserious Nov 2013 #13
wish i could rec this 1000 times rurallib Nov 2013 #14
C'mon Democrats, you had it a month ago. bearssoapbox Nov 2013 #15
K & R defacto7 Nov 2013 #16
Kick! sheshe2 Nov 2013 #17

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. Wow! I just ripped Charles Pierce in another thread.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:29 PM
Nov 2013

This time, however, I agree with him completely.



-Laelth

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. They're getting suckered:
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:45 PM
Nov 2013
House GOPer: Senate 'Keep Your Health Plan' Bill Might Be Better Than Ours

Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI), who introduced the House bill expected to come up for vote Friday which would allow people to keep their existing health plans, said Wednesday that a similar bill introduced by Senate Democrats might actually be better than his.

As TPM has reported, the Upton bill would amend the Affordable Care Act to allow insurers to continue offering their existing individual health insurance plans through 2014. The Senate bill, introduced by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), would require them to -- and allow people to stay on those non-ACA-compliant plans indefinitely.

“Let’s challenge them to pass (Landrieu’s bill) in the Senate, and if so, I think that’s even a bigger and perhaps better step than what we have in the House,” Upton told the Washington Examiner. “Let’s see if she can pass that.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/landrieu-upton-obamacare-health-insurance

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. Cowardice is not helpful.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:50 PM
Nov 2013

As I argued elsewhere, we need Harry Truman.

No apologizing for the ACA!

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman


-Laelth
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. It seems to me that although those
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:46 PM
Nov 2013

who are distressed that they have to give up their junk plans are much more vocal so far than those who are benefitting from the ACA, it seems fairly clear to me even now that those who benefit are vastly more than the others.

My state, New Mexico, is one that is expanding its Medicaid and has set up an exchange. I read in today's paper that only about a quarter of those eligible for the expanded Medicaid have signed up so far. I'm not terribly surprised, since I strongly suspect that those people are going to be highly unlikely to read newspapers to find out about it, nor do many of them have computers at home to sign up. I can only hope that as these people show up in the emergency rooms, they'll be correctly advised that they can now have Medicaid coverage and are signed up.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
8. Thank You
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
Nov 2013

Thank you Charlie, know one says it better than you. How democrats can go from a winning hand to a point where they look like they are going to fold is mind boggling, but we will hope for the best and know Charlie is on our side.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
11. I was so mad that he butted his...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:34 PM
Nov 2013

... big dawg head into this. You could see it in his face too, that he shouldn't have been saying it. Did anyone else notice the stupid or unfamiliar look on Clinton's face when he said it? I knew exactly what he was doing. Already in election mode. I bet you a dollar he did not run that by PO before saying it. Bill, you did a bad, bad thing. Shame on you. And if Hillary was in on it, then shame on her too! "Third-way, Grand Bargain, Corporatist Democrats!" Shame, Shame, Shame! You done showed your true colors.

Where's the backbone, Democrats? What happened? If any of this ACA is changed now, it's just going to be chip, chip, chipped away. And before we know it, the ACA will not resemble what it did to begin with. If you think it's bad because it's not universal health care, you ain't seen nothin' yet. By the time the wingers get thru with it, we'll be forking over the money to em' scott-free, with nothing in return!

Buck up, Democrats! Grab that bottle of Geritol and bottoms up. Whatever... drink something stiff enough to clean the cob webs out of your head. THINK!

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
14. wish i could rec this 1000 times
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:06 PM
Nov 2013

I am getting hoarse from screaming at the radio - good old NPR - good lord.
BTW, WJC - this will not help the wife out.

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
15. C'mon Democrats, you had it a month ago.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Nov 2013


Don't give in. It'll pay off in the long run.

And screw us over if you cave.

Why do some Democrats seem to be ready to stab another Democrat in the back if enough rethugs dislike what the Democrat is doing, proposing or speaking-in-favor-of?

An announcement that would be interesting to see the results of.



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