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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:47 PM Nov 2013

The problems with the ACA are not the ACA itself or even the initial problems with

the federal website.

The problems are perception, the media and democratic unity- or rather the lack thereof.

Yesterday, Dianne Feinstein signed on to Landrieu's proposed legislation that people be able to keep their insurance regardless of the ACA. Today, Merkley signed on as a co-sponsor.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2013/11/jeff_merkley_cosponsors_bill_t.html

Senate Democrats will hold a closed-door full caucus meeting Thursday with Obama administration officials to discuss their growing concerns with problems in the health care law, Majority Leader Harry Reid said Wednesday.

The Nevada Democrat also said that President Barack Obama called him late Tuesday night to discuss an array of issues, including the problems with the health care law and its rollout.

“There are many questions about health care, and that’s why tomorrow we’re having a full caucus … the White House is going to be there,” Reid said.

The majority leader declined to say whether he would bring to the floor amendments from Democratic senators that would make changes to the Affordable Care Act. Some of the key changes being proposed even by Democrats include bills to delay the individual mandate penalty payments as well as legislation to grandfather in individual’s old insurance plans that likely would get cancelled in the reformed system.

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http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/obamacare-meeting-set-for-senate-democrats-white-house-aides/

Harry Reid needs to rein his caucus in.

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The problems with the ACA are not the ACA itself or even the initial problems with (Original Post) cali Nov 2013 OP
no question about it lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #1
Didn't they babylonsister Nov 2013 #2
Everybody needs to take a deep breath and calm down Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #3
I was really pissed at Merkley, of all people frazzled Nov 2013 #4
Pass the Landrieu plan and be done with it, if it can reasonably be achieved. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #5
As soon as Democrats adopted the Republican created plan, problems were guaranteed. Bandit Nov 2013 #6
The largest problem I see with it... Fumesucker Nov 2013 #7
do you have a link to this poll ? JI7 Nov 2013 #8
Amazingly I managed to find it.. Fumesucker Nov 2013 #9
the poll didn't have a no option JI7 Nov 2013 #10
And one DUer didn't like the options provided Fumesucker Nov 2013 #11
The keeping of old plans I can understand Rstrstx Nov 2013 #12

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
2. Didn't they
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:57 PM
Nov 2013

aim their ire at insurance companies? That's probably justified; I think it depends on who one listens to and what articles they read. Perception and distortion are at play.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
3. Everybody needs to take a deep breath and calm down
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:06 PM
Nov 2013

The more the Democrats in Congress freak out about it, there more of a "perception problem" there is. There is simply not going to be an easy way to implement a new massive system like this without some difficulties and Republicans have- in large part- made things 100X more difficult in a lot of ways starting with making Medicaid expansion optional, states refusing to set up their own exchanges, states harassing navigators and making their jobs harder, running ads trying to discourage young people from signing up (as laughable as the ads may be). The response to all of these concerns should be on fixing and strengthening parts of the law, not weakening it, which is what the Republicans are focused on and now that the media is pushing out sensationalistic stories and the right wing is howling about canceled insurance policies, some Democrats are starting to worry about the law becoming toxic in advance of next year's midterms and are starting to embrace some of the right-wing/MSM rhetoric and "concerns" about the law. It's an extremely disturbing/disquieting spectacle. I just hope it all eventually gets quietly fixed and we all move on to the next manufactroversy. It's amazing- and sad- that it seems like it's politically easier to go to war in this country on false/exaggerated pretenses than it is to try to reform healthcare in this country. It just aggravates and depresses me to no end...............

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. I was really pissed at Merkley, of all people
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:09 PM
Nov 2013

But in a way, I say let them have this. These bad policies affect a relatively small number of people--and do they REALLY "like" them?

As people discover that their crappy policies don't cover a thing, they will drop them to go to the exchanges (maybe not until next year, and until they hear what their friends and neighbors are able to get). Rather than dismantling or delaying a vast part of the ACA, let this small percentage of Americans have their crap. As soon as they get really sick once, they'll be clamoring for Obamacare.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
5. Pass the Landrieu plan and be done with it, if it can reasonably be achieved.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:17 PM
Nov 2013

Make corrections and adjustments as you go. And if I were Democrats in the House and Senate, I'd be very skeptical of those worried-consumer phone-call, email and letter sob stories. Republicans always man the Congressional phones the most--and those ain't your voters under any circumstances, kids.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
6. As soon as Democrats adopted the Republican created plan, problems were guaranteed.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:20 PM
Nov 2013

NOBODY likes the individual mandate, including the people that came up with the idea..

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. The largest problem I see with it...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:21 PM
Nov 2013

Is that there are going to be a lot of people unable to afford to use the insurance that they and the government will be paying for.

There was a poll on DU a while back about if buying a new car would cause you undue financial hardship, I was somewhat surprised at the number of posters who said it wouldn't but that explains much about why this issue gets little attention here.





Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. And one DUer didn't like the options provided
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:46 PM
Nov 2013

The second and third options were ironic ways of saying no.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
12. The keeping of old plans I can understand
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
Nov 2013

The extension of the mandate I don't see why, people have until Mar 15 (NOT Dec 15 like some would have you believe). I guess if they want to extend it a month until April 15, tax day, that would be OK

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