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Aristus

(66,327 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:52 AM Nov 2013

7 Things No One Tells You About Being Homeless - Cracked.com

http://www.cracked.com/article_20720_7-things-no-one-tells-you-about-being-homeless.html

I can attest to the truth of what the author writes. Many of my patients are represented by all seven criteria.

Cracked is a humor website. But this article is the plain cold truth, and reminds me of a line from Lord Byron's Don Juan: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, 'tis that I may not weep."
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7 Things No One Tells You About Being Homeless - Cracked.com (Original Post) Aristus Nov 2013 OP
kick Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #1
Good article. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #2
from the start I find it to be kinda foolish hfojvt Nov 2013 #23
Good points. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #43
Thanks for posting this. russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #3
Thanks Aristus. sheshe2 Nov 2013 #4
K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2013 #5
Good article...from Cracked of all places... GReedDiamond Nov 2013 #6
Good story - thanks! n/t veness Nov 2013 #10
I had a TEAC Tascam 80-8 mated with Tascam M-320B, thanks for the memory mrdmk Nov 2013 #45
Yeah...I don't have the 80-8 anymore... GReedDiamond Nov 2013 #46
K&r cliffordu Nov 2013 #7
A few comments Ace Acme Nov 2013 #8
and Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #14
Your comments seem to be centered around the idea that the homeless are either Aristus Nov 2013 #19
Some homeless are stupid and/or lazy Ace Acme Nov 2013 #31
Interesting dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #41
Sorry, someone showed me a clipping several years ago Ace Acme Nov 2013 #50
No problem dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #52
Oh that part is my personal observation. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #55
Oh right dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #59
Those 10 gallon water coolers aren't that expensive either... Blanks Nov 2013 #26
I just use gallon milk jugs (screw top preferred to press-on top) Ace Acme Nov 2013 #29
Milder drugs to be certain. I don't think I could drink that much coffee anymore. Blanks Nov 2013 #30
Arts and crafts seem to be a good way to pass the time. Theres one guy I always see out who makes Erose999 Nov 2013 #36
Some important realities there. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #9
Kick Scuba Nov 2013 #11
once spent a few weeks sleeping in an empty house my parents were trying to sell. KG Nov 2013 #12
Excellent article. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #13
Cracked is pretty awesome... SidDithers Nov 2013 #15
That was really interesting, thanks. MadrasT Nov 2013 #16
While I'm certain the hardships the homeless confront Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #17
Keep in mind that the difference between modern urban homelessness and Native American Aristus Nov 2013 #18
I think you'd find that... tkmorris Nov 2013 #28
You make some good points. Blanks Nov 2013 #32
Because you would need several million acres and a large herd of buffalo. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #38
How much land per person? Blanks Nov 2013 #47
So your answer to the problem of homelessness is to move them to Detroit.... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #48
There are abandoned schools all over the country... Blanks Nov 2013 #53
I used cucumbers as an example because it was funny. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #56
I expect we will still have people fall through the cracks... Blanks Nov 2013 #58
This society is very hostile to freedom. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #39
Most of us would find it quite challenging to assemble enough buffalo hides for a tipi Ace Acme Nov 2013 #34
Yeah, that's a big one. Cops. My patients who are campers get rousted about every few months Aristus Nov 2013 #37
I hope a lot of people read this and realize how close they are to losing it all. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #20
Well, don't read reply #17, then. Aristus Nov 2013 #21
We could have 320 million tent dwellers in America if LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #33
Car dwelling is quite practical, but increasingly is being outlawed Ace Acme Nov 2013 #35
here ya go,enjoy... easychoice Nov 2013 #40
So what's your point? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #49
Of course, I didn't mean to imply Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #54
Excellent article. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #22
Thank you for sharing, Julie. Aristus Nov 2013 #24
I'm right there with you my friend. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #25
Thanks for the post, I learned a lot. Omnith Nov 2013 #27
How difficult would it be to build safe secure homes for anyone who needs one? hunter Nov 2013 #42
Absolutely right. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #51
Thanks for a great OP, Aristus. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #57

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
2. Good article.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:02 AM
Nov 2013

Over the past couple of years Cracked has become one of my favorite websites. Funny, and informative at the same time.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
23. from the start I find it to be kinda foolish
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:49 AM
Nov 2013

Buy a camp stove? Really? Save that $150 and just eat sandwiches for a couple weeks. That $150 can go to down payment on an apartment.

Paying for a motel room so he can take a shower?

Try a state park instead. Or better yet, a small town swimming pool. You can shower for a mere $2. And even enjoy a swim too.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
43. Good points.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:04 PM
Nov 2013

I've been fortunate enough to never have been homeless. The article and your comments definitely provide food for thought.

Regardless, Cracked is still a funny site.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
3. Thanks for posting this.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:06 AM
Nov 2013

Both pages and all of the points are well written and gave me some awareness that I didn't have.

Thanks again for posting this.

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
6. Good article...from Cracked of all places...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:54 AM
Nov 2013

...the closest I have come to homelessness was about 22 years ago, I had no place left to live except in my recording studio, which was a converted 2 car garage in Pasadena CA.

I had these amenities: Electricity, for free; Tascam 80-8 analog multi-track recording equipment and accessories, live sound equipment, drums, guitars, keyboards, amps, etc; a microwave oven, a small refrigerator, a 13" b&w tv, and a am/fm radio receiver/cassette deck.

The studio also had killer air conditioning, and a small space heater worked great in the cold months.

I slept on the floor in a sleeping bag.

My friend on the floor above me let me use her bathroom during normal operating hours. Outside of those hours, there was a waste receptacle/storage and removal system consisting of a large heavy plastic bucket w/a lid.

Also, most importantly, my "ex-mother-in-law" let me come over every morning to shower/clean up, etc, so I was never without basic hygiene needs.

This lasted 18 months, and I never actually considered myself "homeless," because I lived in my recording studio.

In many ways, it was a great period of time for me, musically speaking. It led up to a Columbia Records development deal...but that's a whole 'nother story.

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
46. Yeah...I don't have the 80-8 anymore...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:23 PM
Nov 2013

...it was mounted into a cabinet the size of a large refrigerator. The fuckin thing was huge and a real workhorse.

We got fairly adept at bouncing tracks down to open up tracks for more stuff.

I still drag probably a hundred or more Ampex 456 master tapes and 1/4" mixdown tapes around with me when its time to move to a new place. Plus I still have some of the outboard gear, which I no longer have a use for, but hold on to.

I can't throw that stuff away, can I?

Nowadays I'm recording on a DAW using Cakewalk Sonar Producer.

Tails out!

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
8. A few comments
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 03:10 AM
Nov 2013

1. No, you don't need a camp stove. You can eat beans and sardines right out of the can, french bread is often a good value. Hot food is over-rated, except in the winter time. So get a Hamburger and a Chicken Sandwich at Mickey D's for $2 why don't you?

2. Baby wipes can keep you pretty clean if you have clean clothes. Shampoo is no sweat--a quart of water is enough if you're scientific about it.

3. If you have a car you have a mirror. Shaving no problem, except you have to make the effort to keep the blades clean.

4. It doesn't cost money to keep warm if you can stay dry. Newspapers make excellent insulation. I've even used trash bags packed with dry leaves to keep me warm on frosty nights.








Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
14. and
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:20 AM
Nov 2013

If you have a cooler in your trunk, you can keep the food you buy chilled. I wondered why this did not occur to him. Plus a small camp stove could easily be used with stealth in the city.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
19. Your comments seem to be centered around the idea that the homeless are either
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:35 AM
Nov 2013

stupid or lazy. Or both.

"If only they'd just make an effort" you seem to be saying.

That outlook seems to be......limited, I guess. Misguided.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
31. Some homeless are stupid and/or lazy
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:56 PM
Nov 2013

Some are not. Some are mentally ill and so they're distracted a lot. It's hard to get stuff done when you're hearing voices all day berating you for every dumb thing you ever did in your life. Some are socially inept, some are highly skilled socially.

Some are subject to cyclical dysfunctionality--they'll be just fine 98% of the time but every few weeks they'll "go off" in a spell of aggression and unreason, so you understand why they can't keep a job or a relationship and why not even their own families will shelter them. And then they'll be just fine again.

In my home town, a survey found that the homeless had the exact same educational demographic as the housed residents--same proportion of highschool dropouts, college degrees, and advanced degrees. A lot of homeless PhDs! The common factor most conspicuous to me is a low tolerance for bullshit. And face it, getting along in modern society requires that we accept a whole lot of bullshit.





 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
50. Sorry, someone showed me a clipping several years ago
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:10 AM
Nov 2013

The city has three free newspapers, and the claim was made in one of them.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
52. No problem
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 04:17 AM
Nov 2013

thaks for responding anyway. I thought it intriguing the part about having a low tolerance for B.S., was interested in more details as to how significant that was and how they measured it.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
55. Oh that part is my personal observation.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:32 PM
Nov 2013

It was the demographic survey that was in the newspaper article.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
26. Those 10 gallon water coolers aren't that expensive either...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:32 PM
Nov 2013

You could use one of those to take a daily sponge bath if you could find a place to fill it up. Dude had a car, so he wouldn't have to tote around 80 lbs of water. Find a secluded area to clean up. That's what soldiers have to do when they're in the field for more than a day at a time.

I agree with you. I would think that there would be some things you would figure out after facing homelessness for more than a couple of days.

Resorting to drugs to fill his time was the worst possible plan. I don't mean to appear unsympathetic, but I can guarantee that I would not resort to drugs if I became homeless.

Drugs are bad news. Walking is actually a completely free and interesting way to pass the time.

I just don't think he was very resourceful.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
29. I just use gallon milk jugs (screw top preferred to press-on top)
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:40 PM
Nov 2013

Fill em up at the city park or at unguarded spigots at gas stations.

Libraries are also a good place to pass the time. And Starbucks. That first $2.00 cup (these are decade-old prices) is a splurge, but after that refills were fifty cents. I could stay at a Starbucks for ten hours working at my laptop and spend only $4.00 or so.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
30. Milder drugs to be certain. I don't think I could drink that much coffee anymore.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:49 PM
Nov 2013

Were you homeless at some point?

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
36. Arts and crafts seem to be a good way to pass the time. Theres one guy I always see out who makes
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

stuff like wallets and keychains to sell. And busking, if you play an instrument and find an area where thats tolerated.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
15. Cracked is pretty awesome...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:23 AM
Nov 2013

their lists are always well researched and factual.

Thanks for posting.

Sid

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
17. While I'm certain the hardships the homeless confront
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:12 AM
Nov 2013

are very real, I wonder how much of the fear of being homeless is an artificial construct of our times.

Would the Pre-Columbian Native Americans, so much more adapted and in tune to their environment than we are today, have the same fears or would they just laugh at them? Granted we have more luxuries and life enhancing gadgets to pine the loss of and more restrictions on land access than the Native Americans had, but still you have to ask how much is our fear of "homelessness" the result of poor adaptation and management of our environment? Surely, part of the fear stems from the loss of the natural skills we once knew many are trying to re-learn.

For thousands of years, this was a perfectly acceptable home within reach of everybody, not to mention sustainable.



I think the problem is mostly in our minds because we look at such low impact living models as an indignity. Rather than employing our technology to improve such sustainable options, our energies are focused on interior and exterior decorating and getting our high carbon footprint houses as close to castles as we can get them. Our priorities are out of whack and our materialism knows no bounds.

And then there's this bold gentleman: https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/





Aristus

(66,327 posts)
18. Keep in mind that the difference between modern urban homelessness and Native American
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:33 AM
Nov 2013

lifestyles is more than simply one of advances in technological infrastructure.

Theirs was a tribal lifestyle. Everyone felt a responsibility to look after everyone else. To ensure that no one went without basic needs. And there was likely little judgement involved in helping someone less fortunate or in difficult circumstances. Not like our society, in which the first reaction from many to a homeless person may be: "He's just scamming people; he should get a job!"

Not to mention that not only do people not see the weak, addicted or underprivileged as a responsibility, many of us see them as easy targets. I've had patients get rolled for their medications or what little money they may have. They've been brough into the clinic with maxillary or supraorbital fractures.

Our society lives by the law of the jungle: Get whatever you can, even if you have to take it from someone else; and crush anyone who tries to take it away from you.

Native American society was ordered more closely along what I like to call the Law of the Desert: If someone comes to you in need, you help them. Food, water, clothing, protection, whatever they might need; even if it's your worst enemy. Because tomorrow, it might be you who is in need.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
28. I think you'd find that...
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:15 PM
Nov 2013

Most homeless people would be thrilled to live in such a fashion. They would not view such a stripped down existence as "undignified"; they know indignities far far worse than that.

The problem is that such an existence is actually illegal, almost everywhere in the United States. For starters, every square inch of real estate is owned by someone and if that someone isn't you you can be absolutely CERTAIN you are not welcome to pitch a tent there (and often you can get into trouble even if you do own it.) The same goes for farming it, or even basic gathering or hunting. There are some public lands which can be hunted, though that requires using only the appropriate and approved tools for doing so, and a pocketful of licenses and permits with a fee paid for each.

If you are fortunate enough to "own" a piece of land, you are still regulated to death about what you can do there. To what extent depends on your state and local laws but rest assured, you are not free to do what you like no matter where you are. Here in South Florida for example you can forget about a tent for example, or any sort of DIY construction. Any sort of permanent residence (and since nomadic existence is also forbidden that's the only choice you have) has to meet a telephone book size list of regulations and you WILL pay for someone to come check every step of the way to make sure you complied.

What you suggest is not possible on a large scale, nor even a moderate one, as long as we have these laws forbidding it.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
32. You make some good points.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
Nov 2013

and I think you touched on a larger issue: why can't we set up a natural space so that people can migrate there and live a low impact (on the environment) lifestyle.

It wouldn't take a lot of real estate and it wouldn't be very expensive. I've seen homeless shelters turned down by neighborhoods and even an application for low income apartments bring huge crowds out in opposition to zoning changes.

When the local occupy people were disbanded I thought "why don't these people rent a hunting camp? Or buy an old abandoned factory?"

There are certainly enough empty spaces, but the last thing that the powers to be are going to allow is for someone to get any use out of real estate that is discarded like yesterday's trash.

It doesn't make any sense, but you're right. 'We' aren't going to allow it.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
38. Because you would need several million acres and a large herd of buffalo.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:32 PM
Nov 2013
why can't we set up a natural space so that people can migrate there and live a low impact (on the environment) lifestyle.
As TKmorris pointed out, virtually ALL of the decent land in this country is owned by someone, and those someones aren't likely to be willing to let people migrate to their back 40 and become squatters.

It wouldn't take a lot of real estate and it wouldn't be very expensive. I've seen homeless shelters turned down by neighborhoods and even an application for low income apartments bring huge crowds out in opposition to zoning changes.


Really? If these people are supposed to live off the land, just how much land per person do you think it will take?

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
47. How much land per person?
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:09 AM
Nov 2013

It depends on their diet, but for a primarily vegetarian diet that takes advantage of vertical space and aquaponics - probably about a quarter acre per person.

It would take quite a while to establish a system that would work, but there are a lot of people working on systems such as this.

If you're going to try and feed people a side of beef with every meal - well, that's why you believe it's not possible. At some point we're going to have to accept the fact that raising enough beef to feed everyone isn't sustainable.

We went to Detroit where there are abandoned school buildings with as much as 20 acres for sale for cheap and they're just sitting there.

Do you not believe the resources are out there?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
48. So your answer to the problem of homelessness is to move them to Detroit....
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:31 AM
Nov 2013

where they will live in abandoned factories and become vegetarians?

Look, I understand what you are trying to get at, but even though you might THINK it wouldn't be very expensive, the parameters you have already suggested require infrastructure and that takes maintenance and that takes money.

You just aren't going to be able to convince a couple thousand homeless people to move into the old Packard plant and start growing cucumbers hydroponically.

A place like this? Seriously?


I don't know where you live, but I lived for ten years not far from that spot and I can tell you, it gets bloody cold for quite a few months of the year.

It sounds wonderful in a post, but I just don't think it is at all practical.

There are better solutions to the homeless problem.

Besides, if you really wanted to find a place that you could live off the land in a low impact way, there are plenty of places to do it in this country. They just aren't free.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
53. There are abandoned schools all over the country...
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:56 AM
Nov 2013

Obviously, a building that's been abandoned for decades without protection for the windows would not be a suitable place to put up homeless people. I merely mentioned Detroit as a place with a lot of abandoned schools. I'm sure there are abandoned schools in the south (since cold weather is an issue) I know of at least two right around where I live.

It isn't a question of "would it be difficult?" it's a question of "would it be possible?"

You're right, there are places in this country where it would be easier (out in the country for example). I'm familiar with what kind of restrictions municipalities (and homeowners associations) put on property owners because I'm a civil engineer so I deal with city planners and planning commissions all the time. I live out in the county a few minutes drive from an urban area, and I can build what I want on my property (within reason). I could buy 3 acres for about $50,000 a mile or two from where I live and put a couple of trailer houses on it without any kind of fuss from the government (it doesn't hurt that my wife is an attorney). I realize that's pretty serious money for a homeless person, but compared to trying to put a homeless shelter in an urban area it wouldn't present near the (zoning and building permit) problems.

There are places, there are solutions - one of the problems is that there are too many people sitting around saying "woe is me" (or resorting to drugs) instead of looking for solutions.

I don't claim to have 'the solution' but the answer is NOT to have all of the homeless people living in alleys in cardboard boxes - people need to utilize what resources they do have, and think outside the box.

There are a lot of people trying to develop innovative farming solutions from raising tilapia in Milwaukee (year round), hydroponics on the Hudson River and organic gardening on the White House lawn. There are also intentional communities intent on low environmental impact living. The knowledge is out there.

We should worry about the problem of homelessness before we become homeless ourselves (when it appears inevitable perhaps), that's all I'm suggesting: develop a plan, develop a place.

The guy in the OP was looking for something to do - gardening is something productive to do. As far as vegetarian living, chickens and fish (which are part of the aquaponics process anyway) require much less inputs (than beef) and could be incorporated into the gardening process, reducing kitchen waste and providing fertilizer. It isn't as crazy as you make it sound.

I never suggested it was free, I'm suggesting that there are less expensive (and more productive and dignified) ways of addressing the homeless problem than putting them all in homeless shelters in an urban area where they might get lucky and score a meal.

If you have better solutions: I'm all ears.

Note: Cucumbers require a lot of sunlight. There are plants that can be grown in extremely cold environments, cucumbers are not among them.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
56. I used cucumbers as an example because it was funny.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:51 PM
Nov 2013

"If you have better solutions: I'm all ears. "

Yup...sure do.

Don't let people fall through the cracks in the first place.

Like any normal, progressive and particularly CHRISTIAN (as much as so many Americans claim we are) society would do.

I don't mean to literally throw a book on your desk and ask you to read it, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Let's start here. Click on the 2013 "Proxy Statement" report and look at page 36, "Executive Compensation".

Let's just start there, for fucks sake. Of all the revenue General Dynamics generates on an annual basis, roughly 85 to 90% of it is as a direct result of US government contracts, ie. tax dollars. They make precisely ONE product that does not take a DOD purchase order to acquire. Gulfstream Jets. The fact that they have executives making in excess of $15 million a year ON THE TAXPAYERS DIME while we have the social problems we struggle with in this country is a national disgrace.

People on the right try to make hay about how much a teacher or a firefighter or a sewer worker makes, but you never hear them complain about how much WE TAXPAYERS paid Jay L. Johnson in 2012.

General Dynamics is merely the FIFTH largest defense contractor in this country.

Want to fix the homeless problem? Want to fix the vast majority of the rest of the problems in this country? Turn down the flow of dollars to the Pentagon.

But that isn't easy to do, because it isn't a flow like a garden hose, or even a fire hose or even a 36" water main.

Money flows across the Potomac toward the Pentagon like water flows out of the penstocks of a major dam;


It has become almost unstoppable.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
58. I expect we will still have people fall through the cracks...
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:21 PM
Nov 2013

But you're right. My number one solution is to adjust the tax rates that we had in the '50's for inflation and go back to rebuilding and restoring our crumbling infrastructure. The MIC will be reigned in when that happens.

However, I also think that we have a generation of people who have no idea where food comes from and very often the food that we are provided, isn't safe. We need a revolution in sustainable, healthy agriculture. Otherwise, when the economy picks back up - our opportunity to educate the citizens about these things will may have passed, and more people will go back to the CO2 burning lifestyle of constructing suburbs and using up the worlds natural resources.

This isn't a problem that we are going to solve just by making the rich pay their fair share (and making cuts to defense).

I think we need to tackle both at the same time.

There's nothing funny about cucumbers.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
39. This society is very hostile to freedom.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:32 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:44 AM - Edit history (1)

When I had a good job it made my employers very nervous that I lived in the cheapest apartment I could find, that I didn't have a car, and I was clearly saving my money. They wanted me in an expensive apartment going into debt to buy furniture and a fancy car and squire around mercenary ladies to swanky night spots. They wanted me constantly plotting how I was going to earn my next raise.

The national forest still belongs to the people, and few people know that you can camp anywhere you want on national forest land as long as it's not specifically posted no camping. You don't have to camp in those expensive campgrounds with the filthy latrines and the Winnebago generator running all night so the guy can watch TV and run his air conditioner.

Of course the rangers don't want you setting the woods on fire and making a mess, but it's pretty easy to keep a clean camp. Bury your waste.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
34. Most of us would find it quite challenging to assemble enough buffalo hides for a tipi
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

... or even a wikiup. But modern plastic tarps make quite serviceable substitutes for hides, and plastic pipe is a very interesting structural material once you learn to make its bendiness an asset instead of a liability.

Of course the problem is not a technical one. The problem is a political and social one. The largest homeless camp in the country is in San Jose, California, and every six months or so the police will come in and tear down all their houses and move them on, and within a couple of weeks the camp will blossom again, but everyone has to go through the trouble and expense of acquiring new building materials.

Usedta be, the police would just throw everyone's stuff in a big dumpster and haul it to the dump. Can you imagine that? You've lost everything, and all you have in the world is your wedding photos and your baby pictures and the manuscript to your novel, and the police throw it all in the trash! They got sued for that, and they're a little more careful with people's treasures now.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
37. Yeah, that's a big one. Cops. My patients who are campers get rousted about every few months
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:29 PM
Nov 2013

by the cops.

Some even have their medications confiscated. I don't prescribe narcotics or benzodiazipines, so when a patient complains to me that his hypertension or cholesterol medications, for example, have been confiscated, I know they're telling the truth. (When my patients simply lose their medications, they usually tell me straight out about it.)

And the cops, of course, are simply doing the bidding of those "Why-don't-they-just-go-get-a-job" types so prevalent in our society.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
20. I hope a lot of people read this and realize how close they are to losing it all.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:41 AM
Nov 2013

I know it's difficult nowadays, since a lot of us are living hand-to-mouth, but it's important to try to save. Believe me, I know how hard it is; I'm on disability and food stamps and I barely get by, but I try to put back something every month. It might be the difference in me being homeless or finding another place to live one day. If you can only put back $20 a month, do it. You'll need every penny you can get your hands on if things fall apart on you, even if you don't have enough to find another apartment.

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
21. Well, don't read reply #17, then.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

Apparently, if you just take a little time to build a tepee, you'll never be homeless!

All you need is an open, unclaimed piece of ground, sharp tools, buffalo hides, hide tanning equipment and know-how, light, strong portable timbers, fire-making tackle, and a tribe of people and a brace of horses to help you transport your home from place to place, and help you set it up!

Come on, make an effort!

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
33. We could have 320 million tent dwellers in America if
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:06 PM
Nov 2013

we just weren't so damn dependent on modern conveniences. We could all quit our jobs and spend all day hunting and gathering and cooking. Really, it's completely feasible.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
35. Car dwelling is quite practical, but increasingly is being outlawed
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 02:24 PM
Nov 2013

Of course in the days of the skid row flophouses and SROs, homelessness was less of a problem.

The urban renewal programs demolishing "urban blight" wholesale were predicated on the idea that housing projects would be built for the people who had lived there. But of course the political will for that ran out after a few years.

I've never seen one, but I've heard of flophouses in Hong Kong and Chicago and the Bowery in NYC where a room is filled with oversized bunk beds walled off from each other with wire screening to make sleeping cages. You can lock up your stuff in your cage when you go out, it's warm and dry, there's communal toilets and showers (and sometimes a kitchen) and it doesn't cost very much.

But the PTB don't like to allow easy, practical solutions. They like the homeless on the street to cause fear.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
49. So what's your point?
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:58 AM
Nov 2013

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Yes, the UN calls cage homes an “insult to human dignity.” But when I was homeless in NYC, I would have been delighted to have the opportunity to live in a cage home. I went down to the Bowery and was told the place was full. A cage home is far superior to life in a cardboard box.

What's your solution? Tear down the cage homes and put the people out on the street? Tear down the cubicles and put kids out on the street?

We already tried that. It was called "urban renewal". It means tearing down low-cost housing and putting in convention centers and parking lots and luxury condos.



Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
54. Of course, I didn't mean to imply
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:14 PM
Nov 2013

that we apply an older living model to today's legal and environmental parameters. Obviously, you have to abide by all laws (well, most of them) if you don't want to run into constant trouble and take into account the present environment. And that means not sticking around in one place longer than allowed and being more nomadic. Also relearning how to look less to consumer-centric solutions and remastering looking to the earth's abundance for our comforts. I'm sure you know, put someone skilled in survival into our present environment and they will pull a lot more comforts and even luxuries out of it than someone without such skills.

I think there is luxury at every level of life. It's just a matter of tapping into it. I think the Japanese design school of wabi sabi is one expression of this approach. Or, in other words, Keep It Simple Stupid. Don't bother with soda when all you need is water. I think homelessness crosses the line into poverty when it tries to acquire more than it can or really needs... Having all this material stuff may seem more comforting to us (when we are not scrambling to keep it) but I'm not sure it's natural.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
22. Excellent article.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:49 AM
Nov 2013

I was homeless a few years ago but stayed with a friend for several months so had it easy. I was very lucky.

Julie

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
24. Thank you for sharing, Julie.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 11:52 AM
Nov 2013


When it comes to a choice between the homeless and what Stephen King called, in another context: 'the smug bastards', I'm coming down on the side of the homeless. I'll advocate for their rights to my dying breath.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
42. How difficult would it be to build safe secure homes for anyone who needs one?
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 07:22 PM
Nov 2013

Not difficult at all.

Homelessness serves another purpose in this society.

It's an act of state terrorism that forces people to accept wage slavery and tolerate entirely unacceptable working conditions.

The U.S.A. sucks.

We need to change that.

If there was any kind of eye-for-an-eye kind of justice there's quite a few uber-wealthy people who ought to be staring at the walls in prison cell or standing on the corners with cardboard signs begging for coins for the harm they've done to this nation's soul.

But no, there's not anyone who "deserves" abusive living conditions, not even the worst Wall Street criminal.

Everyone deserves a safe secure place to live for the simple fact they are human beings.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
51. Absolutely right.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:22 AM
Nov 2013

In 2011 CNBC had an article that said there were 18 million housing units standing empty in this country. We've only got about 4 million homeless.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41355854

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
44. Thanks for a great OP, Aristus.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 09:21 PM
Nov 2013

Though I've never been homeless myself, it's only by the grace of God. I still wish I could find out what happened to that school superintendant who lost her job to cutbacks and wound up homeless. I don't know if those of us who were more comfortable beforehand have a harder time with homelessness or not.

I say by the grace of God because so much has happened to me that could have ended tragically. It wasn't my fault either, because nobody ever worked harder or saved more or lived more frugally than I did - and still do. I used to tell people that robbers and earthquakes and other dangers never scared me half as much as a cardboard box, because that's what I always dreaded winding up in. Even now I suspect that my sharp interest in tiny homes and sustainable living springs more from fear than ethics.

For instance, I bought a formerly grand 100-yr-old fixer at auction and half of it remains a shambles because I refuse to take out a big housing loan to do it all at once. Since I can only afford minimal insurance, I already have plans in place as to how I could secure good basic shelter w/o having to resort to a vehicle (which I don't have) or anything too unpleasant. There are many tiny home designs good for DIY types, meaning the Amish could build it quick and cheap. That would only work in the remote areas of the MidWest where I retired, obviously, not in more developed states with their understandable zoning regs.

But having a viable plan in place, one that matches my resources, gives me great emotional comfort. I don't WANT a tiny house; still, they're a lot better than more rustic measures. I even found one design with a sleighbed built into a picture window nook. Basically they're a lot like NYC apartments!

Anyway, I admire and appreciate your work with the homeless population no matter how hard I'll keep trying not to join them. I know it could happen to anyone. As the article pointed out, it's not as hard to become homeless as most people imagine. Fortunately or otherwise for me, I imagine it all too well.

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