If the ACA fails, we will finally get single payer on the table.

[gulliver]

I was talking to my astrologer, and he told me it's a sure thing. GREAT NEWS!!!

So stand firm ACA critics! Rock this boat and help the Republicans sink it! A new boat is gonna float up under our feet. Don't believe the naysayers. If the ACA goes, politicians of all political stripes will stampede to propose Medicare for all. IT....IS...IN...THE...STARS!!!

[scheming daemons]

1. if ACA fails, single payer wont happen in our lifetimes

[gulliver]

3. But what about my horoscope?

What are you saying?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. I'm having a hard discerning if you're serious or not.

Either way, what the ACA should have done was serve as a confidence building exercise. Instead, this thing is beat-up from the feet, up. It is one giant exercise in pissing of voters with higher costs ranging in the thousands of dollars per year for products they do not want while the number of people it is helping are a paucity at best, if not an abject embarrassment.

Their dissatisfaction is being met with dismissive condescension of apologists sniffing that the proles just aren't smart enough to know what's best for them and they should be thanking their betters for saving them from such tedious "junk plans."

And since the corporations are the lynchpin of the entire venture they are also the indispensable element. They cannot be allowed to succumb to faltering revenue so they will siphon ever-increasing amounts of taxpayer money. If not then everybody loses their insurance, even those receiving tax credits at the end of the year.

Yes, that's right, you have to pay a year's worth of premiums and deductibles BEFORE you get a bigger check from the IRS. Remind me again how that helps the poor here and now.

That is, of course, assuming anyone can get anything done. The website isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. Calling the toll free number is pointless because navigators don't do anything other than enter your info into the website on your behalf. The information being spit-out to insurers is wildly inaccurate and the site has "limitless" security vulnerabilities. Even in the much ballyhooed state exchanges we're seeing are a disaster. The number of paid enrollees in Oregon is exactly: 0.

And then, the Democratic party, already on the verge of herd panic, is supposed to go to the voters with Dickensian eyes and say, "More, please." If the citizenry doesn't descend on Washington DC, raze the city and sow the ground with salt I will consider 2014 an electoral success.

[etherealtruth]

14. Sadly. I agree

[Skink]

2. Run on it 2016

[BenzoDia]

4. That is a great idea! I'll contribute by posting half-baked Bloomberg and CNN articles.

[bigdarryl]

5. No we won't

Not as long as the rethugs control Congress

[Hoyt]

6. If it fails, it will be worse than failure of Hillarycare in 1990s. 20 more years of status quo.

Besides, Medicare for all ain't as good as folks think. No out-of-pocket limit, insurance companies still involved, 20% co-insurance, premiums wouldn't be that much less under current healthcare system, etc. It would take some serious changes.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. With this Congress? Or anything closely resembling this Congress? You've got to be kidding me.

We barely got the ACA passed. The Public Option was nixed in the prospect. What makes you think Congress is going to have the will and the conscience to do the right thing?

Do you even know anything about Congress?

[spanone]

8. dream on.....the republicans will bury the idea of healthcare for all for another 20 years..

[badtoworse]

9. Keep dreamimg

If ACA fails, we are in deep shit. The Republicans win back the Senate and keep the House. Do you think they'll pass it?

[gulliver]

11. Update!! I have seantific evidence!!!

I told my astrologer about all of the doubting Thomases on this thread, and he suggested I purchase a seance to verify my horoscope. We did just that, and guess what? None other than Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck responded to the summoning!!! They must have thought it was pretty important.

Woodie clearly tapped out "DONT SUPPORT ACA AND YOU GET SINGLE PAYER" on the floating tambourine. And John spelled out "DITTO" on the Ouija Board.

So there you have it. We just need to sound the retreat on the ACA and help the Republicans tear it down. And single payer will be our sure and certain reward!!!!

[B2G]

12. Lol

Well now I'm convinced.

[Number23]

13. Classic thinking by the Dreamers. Love it.