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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:32 AM Nov 2013

FED Judge criticizes lack of prosecution against Wall Street executives

Nov 12 (Reuters) - The federal judge who oversaw the recent civil fraud trial against Bank of America Corp criticized the U.S. Department of Justice on Tuesday for failing to prosecute high-level executives over the financial crisis.

U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff of Manhattan said while companies have been prosecuted for causing the 2007-2009 financial meltdown, Wall Street executives have escaped justice.

"The failure of the government to bring to justice those responsible for such a massive fraud speaks greatly to weaknesses in our prosecutorial system that need to be addressed," Rakoff said.

Rakoff, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1996, blamed the lack of criminal cases on a shortage of investigatory resources coupled with an over-emphasis on bringing cases against companies rather than individuals.

Rakoff's critique drew a quick reaction from the Justice Department, where a spokeswoman said top prosecutors are "aggressively working" on several ongoing investigations.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/13/financial-judge-idUSL2N0IX1B620131113


Why didn't this news get higher exposure? As far as I know I didn't see a thread on this that got any exposure.

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FED Judge criticizes lack of prosecution against Wall Street executives (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 OP
Put them in jail and they'll cut this crap out. tblue Nov 2013 #1
Yep. Fines lower than what they stole aren't a deterrent. Seize their assets and lock them up. Scuba Nov 2013 #2
Punching hippies is what the Very Serious People do Fumesucker Nov 2013 #3
Even our judicial system sees Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #5
Yeah, well ... Scuba Nov 2013 #6
"Aggressively working?".. sendero Nov 2013 #4
The Statue of limitations is aggressively Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #7
The Department of Justice’s Willful Blindness to the Willful Blindness of CEOs (Steve Cohen edition) BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #8
^ Wilms Nov 2013 #9
Holder.. 4dsc Nov 2013 #10
Holder, Summers, Geithner, Jaime Dymon lark Nov 2013 #12
and the billionaires are twice as rich now Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #14
Sickeningly true!!! lark Nov 2013 #24
It does. zentrum Nov 2013 #16
Are you really surprised? lark Nov 2013 #11
The plutocracy laughs at this judge and says his career is over. Rex Nov 2013 #13
I'll never understand.... ReRe Nov 2013 #15
As much as I appreciate and agree with the sentiment DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #17
No, judging is what they do. mbperrin Nov 2013 #36
No, deciding the cases before them is "what they do" DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #38
Well, of course you would never appear in front of any such judge, mbperrin Nov 2013 #41
Would you be just as pleased if this judge was criticizing prosecutors DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #42
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #18
K&R'd! snot Nov 2013 #19
Can the American people file complaints about crime themselves and force the hand sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #20
+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #39
Prosecute! wowser Nov 2013 #21
I'm for it. mbperrin Nov 2013 #37
"Justice Dept...spokeswoman said...prosecutors are "aggressively working" on...investigations" woo me with science Nov 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #23
Indeed. We need to start building new prisons for all the white collar crime Lodestar Nov 2013 #25
we have enough prisons onethatcares Nov 2013 #27
It's probably hard to prosecute them since Turbineguy Nov 2013 #26
"Why didn't this news get higher exposure?" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #28
Fire Eric DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #29
+ 1000 red dog 1 Nov 2013 #34
99% of Americans feel the same way. nt valerief Nov 2013 #30
Most rididulous line in the entire article: 99Forever Nov 2013 #31
This administration's FIRST priority was to bail out these criminals to the tune of trillion$$$. Romulox Nov 2013 #32
Too big to fail, Too big to Jail 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #33
A Wall St. White House won't ever prosecute Wall St. They're "Too Big To Jail"! blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #35
That's great but would mean more if done before the statute of limitations ran out. pam4water Nov 2013 #40

tblue

(16,350 posts)
1. Put them in jail and they'll cut this crap out.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 04:04 AM
Nov 2013

And they'll keep doing it until we do.

Come on, DoJ! Start looking backward. It ain't that far.

Interesting that this was a Clinton appointee.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Yep. Fines lower than what they stole aren't a deterrent. Seize their assets and lock them up.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:44 AM
Nov 2013

That'll make the next guy think twice.

Hell, get caught smoking dope and they'll seize your assets, why not the banks?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. Punching hippies is what the Very Serious People do
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:54 AM
Nov 2013

All the Very Serious People know that dope smoking is an existential threat to America, corrupt and criminal banks not so much.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. Even our judicial system sees
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:01 AM
Nov 2013

the forest through the trees..... well at least this judge who saw whom the real culprits were and chided The justice department for their lack of action.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
4. "Aggressively working?"..
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:00 AM
Nov 2013

.... nothing that takes 6 years is being done aggressively. That's bullshit, the known perps are never going to pay because our political/economic system is completely broken and lack of justice is easily bought.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
8. The Department of Justice’s Willful Blindness to the Willful Blindness of CEOs (Steve Cohen edition)
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:23 AM
Nov 2013
SAC is the longest operating and most lucrative insider trader in history – turning Cohen into one of the richest men in the world through the traditional “sure thing” of fraud. It is stunning that DOJ refuses to prosecute the man its indictment says led, and was made wealthy by, history’s most lucrative insider fraud scheme. DOJ’s actions, including the indictment of SAC, suggest that Steve Cohen has committed the perfect crime and demonstrated that elite white-collar crime pays – massively. If that is true, then the Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama should be urging Congress to act immediately to change the law and make criminal actions such as those it alleges Cohen took to produced “systematic insider trading.” Their failure to seek such an urgent change in the law demonstrates either that they realize that they could prosecute Cohen under existing law or that they feel no urgent need to fix a broken legal and financial system in which our elites become wealthy by designing the perverse incentive structures that make “systematic” fraud and catastrophic damage to our economy “the predictable and foreseeable result.”
Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/11/bill-blackthe-department-of-justices-willful-blindness-to-the-willful-blindness-of-ceos-steve-cohen-edition.html#L2L07Q2eGXWhKOwP.99


Another, similar case.

lark

(23,065 posts)
12. Holder, Summers, Geithner, Jaime Dymon
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:26 PM
Nov 2013

The head of GE, all those people that led the charge to create the conditions for the rich to destroy our economic world are the folks that Obama trusts the most. That should really tell you something.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
16. It does.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:20 PM
Nov 2013

I'm so depressed by how it is now I can't listen or watch the news anymore. Not dropping out politically of course, but can't listen/see it anymore.

lark

(23,065 posts)
11. Are you really surprised?
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:24 PM
Nov 2013

Obama goes with the 1% on almost every topic, they were his chief campaign funders. He and Holder are not anywhwere near progressive, they are middle of the road moderates, firmly in favor of the 1%.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. The plutocracy laughs at this judge and says his career is over.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:31 PM
Nov 2013

Pointing out the obvious is a no no for all public officials. We must continue to pretend that we live within a system of rules that apply to everyone equally.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. I'll never understand....
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:24 PM
Nov 2013

...why this country will try everything in the book before they just do the right thing to begin with. Seriously, it happens day in and day out, year after year, decade after decade. This goes especially for the Dept of Justice...the one place you would think there could possibly be some good judgment.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
17. As much as I appreciate and agree with the sentiment
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:25 PM
Nov 2013

Judges are neutral magistrates who should not have an opinion about who deserves to be prosecuted and who doesn't. If you want to be a public advocate you should stop being a judge.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
36. No, judging is what they do.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:32 PM
Nov 2013

Sharing their considered judgment is a good thing.

All those "good German" judges who are keeping quiet are the ones that are allowing these corporate criminals to escape justice.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
38. No, deciding the cases before them is "what they do"
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:00 AM
Nov 2013

If you want to prosecute, quit and become a prosecutor. Judges need to be impartial. I certainly don't want to appear before a judge who has said publicly that my client "deserves" to be prosecuted.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
41. Well, of course you would never appear in front of any such judge,
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 05:52 PM
Nov 2013

since as a competent attorney, you would ask for them to be disqualified for your case, especially if he had actually named your client by name.

But having an opinion and not stating it is a form of lying by omission. I'd sure rather have it in the open. But then, there are people who don't think school teachers should criticize the government, either.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
42. Would you be just as pleased if this judge was criticizing prosecutors
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 07:16 PM
Nov 2013

for not seeking the death penalty more often? Would you be just as pleased if the judge was criticizing prosecutors for not filing child neglect charges against everyone with a drug case that has kids? My guess is would would be outraged and call her a blockhead. I realize you like the message. So do I. As I said, I agree with it. I also believe in a neutral judiciary. Judges from the Supreme Court on down are already too political and far too many judges see themselves are "super prosecutors", instead of truly neutral referees. A judge really shouldn't have an opinion about what charges get filed and what charges don't. It is not a judge's job. I don't particularly understand your comparison to school teachers. Judges aren't school teachers. I do appreciate the discussion.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Can the American people file complaints about crime themselves and force the hand
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:15 AM
Nov 2013

of our so-called Justice System? I mean the same way you would report a crime against yourself and file charges after which if there is enough evidence, begin the process of arrests and prosecutions.

These criminals ruined the lives of millions of people and they are getting away with it, and are apparently back to their old tricks, the ones that caused the collapse. I see they are quietly changing part of the Wall St. Reform Bill, which was pretty weak as a deterrent to begin with, to remove restrictions against what CAUSED the collapse, derivatives.

Just wondering if the people who are the direct victims of the crimes can begin to speed this up before it's too late.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
37. I'm for it.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:33 PM
Nov 2013

I've got this little populist streak that makes me want to start taking up collections for rope.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. "Justice Dept...spokeswoman said...prosecutors are "aggressively working" on...investigations"
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

Yeah, riiiiiight. It's just an accident that the statute of limitations is expiring now for the 2008 crimes.


Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations Expiring
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516719


The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022246632


How Wall Street Killed Financial Reform
It's bad enough that the banks strangled the Dodd-Frank law. Even worse is the way they did it - with a big assist from Congress and the White House

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510


This is a complete list of Wall Street CEOs prosecuted for their role in the financial crisis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3653154




Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
25. Indeed. We need to start building new prisons for all the white collar crime
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:11 PM
Nov 2013

that has been corrupting and destroying this country. It is a crime, plain and simple, and should be treated as such.

Turbineguy

(37,295 posts)
26. It's probably hard to prosecute them since
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:35 PM
Nov 2013

before they started stealing they got congress to make stealing legal.

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
28. "Why didn't this news get higher exposure?"
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:47 PM
Nov 2013

Good question!

I could not find a single "newspaper" that covered this story.

What I did find was

http://www.mfi-miami.com/2013/11/u-s-should-get-mortgage-firm-data-for-probe-judge-says/
(A Miami Mortgage Fraud Investigative site)

http://www.publicsource.org/shared-sources/judge-criticizes-lack-of-prosecution-against-wall-street-executives-for-fraud/
(A Pennsylvania newsletter)

Thank God for small town journalism!

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
34. + 1000
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 06:20 PM
Nov 2013

Of course Obama would never do that; and Holder does nothing without his boss's approval anyway.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. Most rididulous line in the entire article:
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:54 AM
Nov 2013
"Rakoff's critique drew a quick reaction from the Justice Department, where a spokeswoman said top prosecutors are "aggressively working" on several ongoing investigations."

Eric Holder and Co. really do think we are stupid. And anyone who actually believes that bullshit, is stupid.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
32. This administration's FIRST priority was to bail out these criminals to the tune of trillion$$$.
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:44 PM
Nov 2013

They will never be prosecuted under Obama's watch. Never.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
33. Too big to fail, Too big to Jail
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 04:27 PM
Nov 2013

the fix was in, so soon in the game.

May these scoundrels choke on their caviar.

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