TX school brings in Christian misogynist to lecture students about dating, students shut him down

[Coyotl]

Nov 14, 2013 02:48 PM PST
High school brings in Christian misogynist to lecture students about dating, students shut him down
Texas students didn't take too kindly to a "dating expert" who believes "dateable girls know how to shut up"
Katie Mcdonough - http://www.salon.com/2013/11/14/high_school_brings_in_christian_misogynist_to_lecture_students_about_dating_students_shut_him_down/

Justin Lookadoo is a Christian motivational speaker and “dating expert” who believes that “dateable girls know how to shut up,” and that “dateable guys … know they are stronger, more dangerous, and more adventurous [than girls] and that’s okay.”

He also illustrates his advice ... And puts his advice into pithy one-liners, telling girls that, “If you go too tight, too short, or too low-cut [with the clothes you wear], you are no longer a person to get to know but an object to use.”

This is terrible advice that no one should listen to. And yet a high school in Texas actually invited Lookadoo to share his retrograde and deeply misogynistic Christian complementarian views with its students.

But they weren’t having it. Students at Richardson High School swarmed Lookadoo after his talk to call him out for being a sexist jerk; they also took to Twitter to further ridicule him (and their school ...........

[rhett o rick]

1. k&r thanks for posting. nm

[uponit7771]

2. +1 for the internets, people like Lookadoo can't hide as easy

[seabeyond]

3. and THIS is our conditioned roles that society demands we live, that hurt all of us. but, the men a

pay off. so they keep feeding this bullshit as ridiculous as it is. this speaker is beyond obvious in it ridiculous. but too often we hear this repeatedly from ordinary folk, meaning not extremists that gives a strong foundation allowing these conditioned role.

there is a pay off for women too. hence, so many women that support this bullshit.

it hurts all of us.

we can ridicule this man. but we see it daily on du and in our world.


* third time this article has been posted that i know about so just copy and pasting now. too important to view this only as an extreme religious perspective. that is not all that it is.

[kentauros]

4. What's even more amazing about this is that Richardson is a suburb of Dallas.

Dallas is known for being the home of the First Baptist Church and a much larger Evangelical population than the other major cities of Texas. I'm happy to see the kids better educated than the adults charged with "educating" them to begin with!

I hope this story remains kicked. DU needs to see it

[seabeyond]

6. i am in very very red amarillo. and i know that if this was said in the school here, there would

also be huge backlash. you are not too far away, from what i understand. i know you know that it is not a backward society by any means. stuff like this may get thru, but it is not embraced. i do not know a single teacher that would accept this kind of thinking. my boys going thru school, even with conservative teachers, have been allowed to think and express outside of the box, with respect....

[kentauros]

7. I know my sister, another teacher in Texas, wouldn't accept it either,

or not without personally confronting them. Her assistant and other teacher friends would likely go directly to administration if such an ass was foisted upon them.

I live in Houston, and our diversity tends to make me think that most of the other major cities of Texas are similarly diverse. It's just too bad the rest of DU hangs onto their stereotypes about us, even when encouraging stories like this come around.

[seabeyond]

8. they jump on it for whatever reason. regardless of the ridiculousness or fact of the matter.

i am not a fan of texas. i am a califorian so the last couple decades has been challenging. but... i also am able to appreciate and value the good. and i am also honest enough to recognize facts... reality, that we live and no need to make them less than what they are.

we create.

[kentauros]

10. I'm not a fan of the ridiculousness of Texas,

but I do think we have much more good going for us than most are willing to realize or search for. I think the same is true for any other area labeled as "red"

If you get a chance to travel around in Texas, at least visit Austin and San Antonio. Houston's a long drive from Amarillo, yet it could be worth it if you come during one of the festivals or other events and stay a few days.

[seabeyond]

11. i did a couple years ago. we were going to new orleans. so i routed us south and across.

we hit san antonio, the bay, thru austin to see the college and houston on out.

we had a blast. i had been wanting to travel south for a while. loved it. not my weather. but ya, diversity.

i think it has been sucha huge lesson for my boys. i married a repug. everyone in my family are repugs. but, my kids were raised liberal. so, they had to learn how to speak up, express their opinion and ideas but HAD TO do it respectfully, so they would be allowed and could be heard.

it also allows them to see the good and bad in both.

i was worried about raising kids in such a dominant repug/fundamental environment. 18 yrs later, i am thrilled i did.

[kentauros]

18. You're a good parent.

And that's probably the most important thing. My father is still staunchly republican, even as my mother is "independent" (I think think she probably votes for some repubs, rationalizing the "voting for the one right for the job" kind of thinking.) Yet, they raised us to be well-educated and independent in what we wanted to do. I think we all have multiple degrees due to the first choices not being our best ones.

I'm glad I've stayed in Houston. If I hadn't I would be best-friends with a Palestinian-American, live in a predominantly Jewish part of town, and regularly visit the Middle Eastern and Indian areas for cuisine, shopping, and generally just appreciating such a diverse world we all live in

[seabeyond]

19. thank you kentauros. exactly what you say. and it simply is not that hard. nt

[cali]

13. that's good to hear

this guy is like a parody of a parody.

[seabeyond]

15. men are getting brazen, because it is accepted and allowed thru so much of our

culture today. he actually helped our cause, because he was so brazen in his speech. but we hear it every day. we hear it on the nets. we hear it from our conservative representatives. we hear it from our religions. we hear it on du.

[cali]

20. I agree. He's such an unintended parody of those attitudes that

he does help to expose slightly less obvious manifestations.

It also points out that we're far from being rid of this kind of shit.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

38. And despite what you said, Dallas also voted for Pres Obama nearly 2:1, if I'm not mistaken. n/t

[kentauros]

66. Oh, Dallas is certainly liberal in some areas.

The perception for the most part is one of rampant conservatism. From looking at the voting map by population density for last November, only Corpus Christie voted more conservative. I'm still not sure why they're such hold-outs as the rest of the Texas Gulf Coast is mostly blue and purple

[w8liftinglady]

84. we're working on that

Registering people like crazy!

Texas is attempting to suppress female and minority voters, but it won't work this time. A Nation is watching.

[rurallib]

5. looks like students someplace are learning critical thinking

maybe that school needs to teach to the test a little more.

[cali]

9. good for the kids for speaking out against this pig.

[Initech]

12. Why am I reading this like it was something Peter Griffin said?

[Marrah_G]

17. Peter Griffin is from Rhode Island

The girls here would have kicked his ass..........

[Marrah_G]

14. What this man preaches is dangerous

It is the foundation for domestic violence and rape.

[dionysus]

16. "lookadouche"... priceless kids..

[Coyotl]

21. Make that #Lookadouche

Sometimes a hashtagging is in order.

[LadyHawkAZ]

102. Loved that! lol

[yurbud]

22. this generation of kids will clear out a lot of the cultural trash

and hopefully they will be equally savvy in dealing with conservative economic ideas.

[adieu]

23. Whackadoo

amirite?

[TransitJohn]

24. How does this guy even get gigs at schools?

What education administrator would ever book this shit???

[Pab Sungenis]

25. I can grant him one or two things. The rest is bullshit.

Girls who dress like sluts are going to attract the worst kind of boy. Parents should teach their girls that they don't need to dress like sluts, and that the boys they attract that way are shit and not worth it.

Build up a girl's self-esteem and teach her she doesn't need to change who she is to attract someone. Especially that they don't need to "shut up."

I'm put in mind of some of John Green's dating advice to teenagers: "The Venn diagram of boys who think you are too smart and boys you don't want to date is a perfect circle."

[seabeyond]

27. what is a "slut" that you call these girls? really, define slut for me. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

28. It's the shoulder thing that goes up.

[seabeyond]

30. are you talking like... pushing the hair off the shoulder type movement?

i hear ya. but, i really want pab to define what his "slut" is. i really want to hear. like... a girl that has sex too often? and how often is too often? jsut a girl thing.

totally confused and i need some direction from pab, so i know how to behave. wouldnt want to be called a slut, and all.

[AtheistCrusader]

31. I mean there is no real definition.

The 'shoulder thing' was a reference to a news interview in which the speaker didn't actually have a grasp over the material said speaker was trying to cover.

In my experience, behavior, or appearance that could be described as 'slutty' on a female, would be called 'hero' on a male in the same role.

It's you know... fucked up.

[seabeyond]

32. so we can just call our girls and women, sluts at will. gotcha.

I mean there is no real definition.

that makes it so hard to figure out just how i am suppose to behave to avoid being called a slut. i really need pab right now. so he can explain it all to me.

walking down the street. i hear girls being called a slut. if i walk down the street, does that make me a slut?

oh pab, i need your help. i want to go outside, but i gotta know if i am being a slut or not.

[AtheistCrusader]

33. No, I mean it's not a thing.

It's just being used as invective. It's a label for the purposes of control. It's made up. It's patriarchal bullshit. One only needs to flip the gender and watch how society labels the behavior to see it.

I was being sarcastic about the poster you replied to, with the 'shoulder' comment. That poster will not be able to offer you a definition that makes any sense, or could make any sense, or wouldn't also be insulting.

[seabeyond]

35. atheist....

i appreciate your post. you are absolutely right on with everything you say. i agree totally. i too am playing with the sexist bullshit myself, that jury feels is perfectly acceptable.

calling our girls.... sluts.

thanks atheist. i do appreciate your posts. i gotcha.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Sorry sorry.

I thought that maybe my post came off as supporting it.

[seabeyond]

37. lol. no. not at all

i thought when i took that quote of yours you might feel that way. but, i was hoping you would get the play in it.

not at all. i totally got what you were saying.

[BainsBane]

44. I understood you

As critical. The only remark I didn't get was about the shoulder. That particular poster seems unable to refrain from expressing his contempt for women.

[AtheistCrusader]

45. I would love to see the jury comments on that post...

I'm not really surprised though. It's subtle enough, that enough people won't get it, it could pass jury muster in this crowd.

[BainsBane]

47. I wasn't the first alerter

So I don't have them. I don't see anything subtle about the post.

[AtheistCrusader]

48. I think the last line tends to lend the initial premise some 'concern' cover.

Looks like the jury was 3-3.

Edit: How the fuck did I just reply to myself. What the hell

[seabeyond]

50. lol. nt

[seabeyond]

49. and for the juror that says it is pabs supposed stalker? i cant remember when or if i have ever

alerted on pab. so, your assumption would be wrong. i laerted because pab is using sexist language. that simple


At Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:55 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

I can grant him one or two things. The rest is bullshit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4038040

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS:

"Girls who dress like sluts"
"they don't need to dress like sluts"

He agrees with a misogynists's points.

Sexist.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Nov 15, 2013, 09:04 AM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: stupid points but I would leave them ... oh well
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I guess I, too, am a misogynistic asshole because I agree with the points in the post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Looks like Pab's alert stalker is still on the job. The phrasing is indelicate but the point is valid--young women should not be taught that their self-worth is entirely a matter of their ability to attract sexual attention from men.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Geez. I'm getting more than tired of this man's hatred of women on this board. It's been evident in a LOT of his posts. Especially this one, which is quite sexist in its entirety. Pab is doing NOTHING to remedy this, either.

Thank you.

[BainsBane]

82. Here's a hint folks

WHENEVER I see women referred to in vulgar, sexist terms, I will alert. I don't care who you are. If people don't want feminists alerting on them, refrain from posting sexist garbage. It's just that simple.

[seabeyond]

85. this... nt

[Pab Sungenis]

57. If someone is so easily insulted

then they should be more often.

A girl who feels the need to dress hyper-sexualized to attract a boy needs a good dose of self-esteem. All she is going to attract that way is a bunch of stupid, horny boys who are not worth their time or effort.

[AtheistCrusader]

71. Ugh.

1. Define 'hyper-sexualized'.
2. Establish that any particular manner of dress is necessarily intended to attract a boy in the first place.
3. Establish that what you might call 'hyper-sexualized' is the same meaning to an individual, while selecting what to wear.
4. Why are you singling out girls/manner of dress. Do boys not make clothing decisions based on various factors, same as girls?
5. Establish that a girl, if we are going to focus on girls here for some reason, should assume the negative connotations you just stated, even if she does desire physical relationships with 'stupid, horny boys'? Why do you assume this is a negative?

There are more issues, but that might make for a good starter convo.

[BainsBane]

41. And that a jury allowed that post to stand is equally outrageous.

[seabeyond]

42. yup. nt

[seabeyond]

43. but, i still an waiting for pab to advise me what a slut is. i have errands to run.

if i do not have the definition of what a slut looks like, how can i walk out onto the streets, safe, knowing i will not be called a slut.

waiting waiting waiting.

[AtheistCrusader]

108. You'll be waiting a long time.

[seabeyond]

109. well. i did NOT go to the grocery store and have sex with anyone, so maybe i am ok.

i saw another poster in the same stressful situation, needing to know. i liked how she phrased it. something like, she needs pabs instructions so she will not ask to be raped... again.

some serious shit, actually

[AtheistCrusader]

110. It's unfortunate. Some people get locked into lines of thought, and

never return to re-examine their premise in light of new information.

I could understand any individual poster starting out with that sort of mentality, even here, as it is culturally pervasive in the US, but I would expect a critical re-evaluation of that position as soon as they get into a discussion about it.

That didn't happen here, or in the other thread I referenced earlier, with this poster.

Sad.

[seabeyond]

111. yes. nt

[Pab Sungenis]

54. Again, it's not a judgment on the girls.

It's a style of dress that is designed to sexually entice boys. And the boys that style attracts are not the kind of boys worth dating.

I'm not telling you how to behave. If you need direction from anyone, let alone me, then maybe you should reevaluate your life.

[seabeyond]

56. so, sexually enticing a boy is a slut? must i wear my hair up to avoid being a slut?

i might be sexually enticing with hair down.

[Pab Sungenis]

58. Please don't try to be obtuse here.

What the asshole "speaker" was saying, and probably the only true thing he was saying, is that girls shouldn't feel the need to dress in a provocative manner to attract boys.

Now if a girl wants to dress that way, that's her option. If it makes her feel empowered, good. But a girl shouldn't feel the need to dress like that. There are better ways to get a boy, and the boys they will get that way are more worth it.

[seabeyond]

60. you likened them to a slut. you are the one being obtuse. i want to know what makes your slut.

is it too much sex that makes a slut. can a girl who has never had sex but wears a low cut top, a short skirt be a slut.

you used the term slut. to call out these girls and their behavior. tell me what a slut is.

[Pab Sungenis]

62. From Webster's

slut noun \ˈslət\

Definition of SLUT

1
chiefly British : a slovenly woman
2
a : a promiscuous woman; especially : prostitute
b : a saucy girl : minx
— slut·tish adjective
— slut·tish·ly adverb
— slut·tish·ness noun
— slut·ty adjective
See slut defined for English-language learners »
Examples of SLUT

<had a reputation around town for being something of a slut>
Origin of SLUT

Middle English slutte
First Known Use: 15th century

[seabeyond]

63. you made it clear. women, girls... hide all sexuality or you are a slut. per pab.

oh, and if you think covering everything up, and soem man is still enticed? you are a slut.

got it. thanks for the info.

[seabeyond]

69. i think what is really sad, is because you are close minded with women, you do not realize the huge

damage this does for our women and girls. that allow a culture and society where a girls rapist gets no jail time, or gets a year raping an unconscious girl or a town running out the family of a girl raped by jocks because she was... a slut.

[BainsBane]

80. Aren't we all supposed to be sex negative prudes?

Now we are "encouraging girls to dress" scantily. It's hard to keep track of just how horrible we feminists are.

[seabeyond]

83. get me my couch. i am exhausted.

[seabeyond]

72. this is my point. how is this different from what you did. this is where i do not see that you

take it beyond.

if you had simply said these girls should not feel like they have to hypersexualize themselves, i would have been all over you with .

but calling them sluts, or like sluts, how does this make you different from this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101678614

[cyberswede]

73. Two things

1. seabeyond is not encouraging girls to dress in a hypersexualized manner (she's objecting to you using "slut" to desciribe how someone dresses)

2. if a woman (being herself) wants to dress provocatively, it's her right to do so (and she shouldn't have to be called a slut for it)

[AtheistCrusader]

75. WHY?!

DESERVE the title? WTF

Why don't you just trot out the fucking burqua's, right now, eh?
Holy shit, I just saw that woman's ankle! SLUT
What the fuck is this shit

[Skittles]

76. my shirt is a little tight today, AthiestCrusader

I'm worried - will I be perceived as a slut? Perhaps the burqua police could let me know.

[AtheistCrusader]

74. Bwuh?

"It's a style of dress that is designed to sexually entice boys."
Please define and support that claim. Then establish that it is in any way a negative.


"And the boys that style attracts are not the kind of boys worth dating."
Why? On what assumption? And if it were true, why do you assume girls cannot discriminate between your hypothetical categories?
Assuming your first premise has any merit at all (A bridge beyond any assumption I would make) on what do you base this? Are males that only seek to date females they find unattractive the only relationships with merit?

I didn't know boys are mindless robotic sex hounds. I also didn't know that sexual contact of any kind precludes a meaningful relationship in any other dimension.

[Gormy Cuss]

95. Are effeminate men just asking for queer bashing?

Because you know, they're projecting a certain style that is designed for attracting negative attention.

[seabeyond]

55. you called some girl somewhere a slut. since you said these girls are "like" a slut. so i ask...

define the slut for me.

if i promise to not have sex at the grocery store, can i avoid being a slut?

if i walk down the street and a man yells out slut, is that the definition of a slut? walking down the street?

since you used the descriptive of slut.... there must be sluts out there for a girl to be "liked" to. so tell me. what is a slut? i have to leave the house, and i need your help to successfully step thru my day without being a slut.

[Pab Sungenis]

59. Okay. You want a slut?

There.

No girl should ever feel the need to dress or act like that to attract a boy, and that society applauds people like those two sluts (Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus) is disgusting.

[seabeyond]

61. she is a slut cause he sticks HIS crotch up on her butt? she is the slut? and still, du says ok.

just the "appearance" of sex makes a girl or woman a slut. wowser.

[Pab Sungenis]

64. They're both sluts.

And I define dressing hypersexualized for the sole purpose of arousing others for the purpose of attracting them as behaving in that manner.

[seabeyond]

65. ya. cause like men do not get high fives, told it is their biology, oh wait....

told by this very speaker it is innately who they are because they are .... sluts.

[cyberswede]

70. Well, you said that if a girl wants to dress that way, it's her choice...

but that they shouldn't feel they HAVE to dress that way.

It looks to me that Miley Cyrus wants to dress that way, yet you call her a slut. How does that work?

[CreekDog]

87. obviously on your way out

you can't seem to resist throwing some furniture around as you leave though.

[BainsBane]

88. Now he's on Facebook blaming his flag on Seabeyond

When in reality Atheist crusader and I sent the alerts on these two most recent hidden posts. He has announced it's not safe for men to post on DU because of Sea, as though being male makes one incapable of refraining from using demeaning, sexist terms to describe women.

[seabeyond]

89. my father in law likes to tell me sexist jokes. 1 out of 10 i may call him on. that makes me bad.

call our girls sluts and me calling it out makes me the bad one.

this is what i really really need to address.

[Gormy Cuss]

96. seabeyond is the all-powerful head of the nightstalker coven.

I thought everyone knew that.

[seabeyond]

97. i get up at 6. i cant afford this middle of the night crap, lol. i am gettin' old.

ok. not 9 yet. but certainly before midnight any more.

[Gormy Cuss]

103. That's 3 AM somewhere, woman.

[seabeyond]

104. that is funny.

and sounds like way too much work, lol

[seabeyond]

78. pab... and that one above gets hidden. aamzing. hey... i didnt alert. i alerted only on the

first post. to be really clear. one alert. i showed the results.

[AtheistCrusader]

79. Not sure.

But post 68 was me.


At Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:55 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

No, of course not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4038630

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS:

Encouraging slut-shaming.
This is utter insanity to defend.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:04 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm sick of this poster's misogyny, time to lock him out.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm sick of shit like this.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Sexist claptrap and victim blaming.Hide.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: The 1st post of this subthread should have been what should be alerted on (which is where the term is used) and it goes downhill from there. IMHO, the opinion could have been stated differently, but this whole issue is a toxic subject.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you.

[seabeyond]

81. thank you for sharing the alert and what the jurors said.

the alert comment was good. i do not alert much cause really does not matter a whole lot. i thought the obvious, calling girls sluts in the first post, was pretty blatant.

but there was definitely doublin down.

i doubt pab has had a hide for anything else. i wish there would be a light bulb moment.

[BainsBane]

86. I was the alerter on the other

I'm on an iPad so can't easily post the results. I Explained above that you can count on me to alert whenever I see women described in demeaning, sexist terms. I don't care who the poster is. If someone doesn't want feminists like me to alert on them, all they need do is quit posting sexist crap. Despite seeing him call girls by that sexist term multiple times in this thread, I dId not alert again after the first hide. I am not surprised, however, that someone else did. When Pab chose to repeatedly use insulting terms for young girls, he had to know he was pressing his luck.

[Sheldon Cooper]

90. And now his account is under review.

Good.

[AtheistCrusader]

99. I just read the misandry/viagra insurance thread.

Holy wow.

[gollygee]

93. What?

Ack. This makes my head explode.

[liberal_at_heart]

98. nice boys like sexy girls too. My daughter is very open about her sexuality and she likes to dress

sexy too. She happens to be dating the most wonderful boy right now. Both her father and I approve of him. They were friends before they started dating so they both knew each other very well before they started dating. And he treats her very well. It is important to teach girls self esteem, so that they pick guys that will treat them with respect. However, clothing has nothing to do with it.

[MineralMan]

100. The word "slut" is highly loaded.

It's also a word with no definition that is shared.

When it's used in threads like this, it serves to stir up anger. How a person dresses will be perceived by different people differently. What one person sees as sluttish may be seen by many more as simply stylish.

Calling people sluts is not likely to earn much praise from anyone, I think.

[LadyHawkAZ]

101. And this, folks, is Reason #15,803 why I support SlutWalks. n/t

[DirkGently]

26. Wow. n/t

[Dopers_Greed]

29. Going to public school in Texas...

I had to suffer presentations given by these clowns for many years. The worst of the worst though, was one they had during high school where a guy literally told us that condoms are ineffective because they "have little tiny holes" in the latex that HIV can go through.

[Wait Wut]

34. I'm so proud of the upcoming generation.

Love the comments from the 'boys'.

[Arugula Latte]

51. I LOVE this younger generation!

Wish I'd been born into it instead of my own (very early Gen X).

[mountain grammy]

107. Me too! I'm jealous! I'm too old and chunky, the kids look great;young and healthy!

[Hekate]

39. KnR for the students: they are priceless. nt

[TNNurse]

40. Someone

needs to lose their job. (That would be anyone involved in arranging this.....I suspect he was paid....taxpayer money). Those parents need to get mad. Sounds like the kids got the right point, though. I doubt that was the intent.

[Gothmog]

46. Juanita Jean had fun mocking these idiots

http://www.juanitajean.com/2013/11/14/my-bad/

[Coyotl]

94. "The Dateable girl let’s God run the world ...."

Dateable girls know how to shut up. God made guys as leaders.

Flunking the quizzes was lots of fun. Thought I should skew their stats as much as possible.

http://www.rudateable.com/cool_quizzes.php

GIRL: The mystery is gone. You’ve probably told him everything about you so why would he want to see you again? But it’s not too late. Start talking less and listening more. Let him bring up things to talk about. Ask him questions about him. Stop talking about yourself so much. There is plenty of time for him to get to know you. Practice thinking about him and take your eyes off yourself so much.

BOY: You’re close to really losing it. Don’t let your hormones take over. To be a man you have to control how far you go. Right now you’re way off.

[Gothmog]

105. I flunk the quiz also

I am also undateable

[Arugula Latte]

52. Here's hoping that, after this, this a-hole won't be able to get more gigs at public schools

I'm sure a lot of private Christian schools will snap him up, though.

[Sheri]

67. some expert. expert jerk is more like it. nt

[idwiyo]

77. k&r

[libodem]

91. I'm glad the school snd students

Recognised this for what it is. Conservative patronizing of women and the assignment of guilt, and shame on the female for the biology of attraction. It goes back to Eve and the apple, tempting Adam into sinning against his ignorance with knowledge. Carnal knowledge. I'm sick of it.

That being said, the power of sexual attraction is enormous. Like a giant magnet, the urge to merge, is an animal instinct. In our effort to suppress everything educational and informative about sex from girls, so they won't experiment from knowledge, they barely acknowledge that they do have the power to attract. I say make them aware but don't slut shame any one. Man, some of the stuff my own mom said to me in anger would curl your hair.

Both young men and women need to have respect for each other. Guys need guidance on boundries and where not to cross.

I was about 12 or 13 in 1970. I remember being impressed back in Jr high by a magazine article detailing a court account of a rape trial. And the defense asked those questions, that are not supposed to be asked now, about how late was the hour, how dark was it outside when you went walking, how short was your skirt, how high were your heels, do you have a boyfriend, how far have you let him go, were you a virgin, how many partners do you think you've had, did you like it, did you know the perp, what is your reputation???? I took some liberty here but I felt like that victim got raped twice. I don't think trials are allowed to take this tract, these days. I hope we have come that far.

Meanwhile I hope we are teaching our daughters and grand daughters to have self esteem and dignity so they won't let some yayhoo bully them into sex they are not ready for.

[fishwax]

92. well done students!

[gopiscrap]

106. Good for the students.