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The New York Police Department is investigating a series of unprovoked recent beatings as possible hate crimes, as they are increasingly occurring in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods.
According to police, bored teens are playing a game called Knockout, the purpose of which is to incapacitate a passing pedestrian with a single punch.
One teen interviewed by WTAE said that ts for the fun of it. Its like when you were a little kid, running around and hitting people. Only now youre grown, so you can knock em out.
The NYPD is concerned that the game may be spreading beyond the Tri-State area, as reports have surfaced of similarly unprovoked attacks in Pittsburgh and St. Louis in recent weeks.
They suspect that the teens are trading videos of their knockouts via social media.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/15/new-york-police-department-concerned-violent-knockout-game-spreading-via-social-media/
WASHINGTON - A terrifying new game thats already caused deaths in Syracuse, St. Louis and New Jersey is sweeping the nation, and it preys upon unsuspecting people walking the streets, anywhere.
A recent report from New York-based CBS 2 shed light on the growing trend, displaying unsettling footage of teens participating in this game which goes by the name Knockout and involves randomly targeting passersby, with the ultimate goal being to knock them out with one punch as they walk by.
One victim shown in the footage was 46-year-old Ralph Santiago of Hoboken, N.J., who was found dead with his neck broken and head lodged between iron fence posts, according to NJ.com.
Video surveillance shows Santiago walking in an alleyway in broad daylight, and just as hes about to pass a pack of teenagers, one launches the fatal, knockout blow.
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WASHINGTON - A terrifying new game thats already caused deaths in Syracuse, St. Louis and New Jersey is sweeping the nation, and it preys upon unsuspecting people walking the streets, anywhere.
A recent report from New York-based CBS 2 shed light on the growing trend, displaying unsettling footage of teens participating in this game which goes by the name Knockout and involves randomly targeting passersby, with the ultimate goal being to knock them out with one punch as they walk by.
One victim shown in the footage was 46-year-old Ralph Santiago of Hoboken, N.J., who was found dead with his neck broken and head lodged between iron fence posts, according to NJ.com.
Video surveillance shows Santiago walking in an alleyway in broad daylight, and just as hes about to pass a pack of teenagers, one launches the fatal, knockout blow.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/11/16/potentially-fatal-knockout-game-targeting-strangers-may-be-spreading-to-d-c/
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)it is unbridled violence and anarchy. People have died from this.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Aside from being violent criminals, they're cowards.
You know what else is a "game," organized boxing.
Really want to see if you can knock someone out? Step into the ring. Yah ...thought so..
Brigid
(17,621 posts)About a heavyweight bout in Madison Square Garden that should have been stopped, and resulted in one bixer's death. Let's see how these punks like that.
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(19,768 posts)Every one I've seen or read about is black on white, many times black on white elderly. (I know people don't want to hear it, but it is the truth).
Article from 2011:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078484/Knockout-King-The-sickening-game-claiming-lives-country.html
People have died.
REP
(21,691 posts)Unprovoked attacks for the sake of recording it on mobile phones. There have been deaths. This looks to be a progression of this "game."
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)It is often black on Asian or black on Hispanic.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I guess these kids don't have enough constructive things to do. We'd better find something for them to do or we're going to have a whole lot of trouble on our hands.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Almost quaint, like a Geneva Convention or a banking law.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I really hope we aren't sinking further into some dystopia, because I don't want to live in it. When I was growing up, I dreamed of living in a big city, a place where there was always something happening. Rural areas and small towns are looking better and better to me these days.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)That crap is every where now days.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)mostly pedestrians who are alone, unaware of their surroundings. One man left with injuries for life, the lone woman victim was the only 'lucky' one that didn't sustain lasting injuries, not counting her psyche. One older gentleman, died. They caught the punks who did that one.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)When caught red handed, no bail and many years minimum. This kind of violence is pure evil and very dangerous. There can be no excuse for it.
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(19,768 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I think it has a lot more to do with sky high unemployment and school systems that are failing inner city black youth.
REP
(21,691 posts)Started as "happy slapping" in the UK amongst largely working class/poor whites. Here, it's not limited to one race, either. Rotten economy and terrible schools for all.
cali
(114,904 posts)In this country and that are what these articles are about, it's largely black inner city kids who are engaging in this. By quite a large margin evidently. It's by no means only white victims however. In doing a search I couldn't find any cases of white kids "playing" it or any videos.
And some of it does appear race related as in this:
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/11/nypd-seeking-perpetrators-of-knock-out-the-jew-game-2753314.html
Again, this has a lot to do with our society failing these kids and the very high drop out rates and unemployment.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)These kids have no hope, and have been abandoned by society. We marginalize them, disenfranchise them, and lock them up much more efficiently than we educate them. I'm not going to condone their behavior, but can you blame them for lashing out in at least some way?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Yes. There is not one plausible excuse or explanation for killing a stranger or beating them to a pulp. Not one. Not now, not ever.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)I said i didn't condone their actions. But when you abandon an entire segment of society, how do you expect them to behave?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Someone is feeding them, housing them, healing their mortal wounds. I am sure you don't condone their actions, but there is no excuse or reasoning behind killing strangers that have done you or your loved one no harm.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)We're stripping away their education, frisking them on the street for no reason, and stripping away their voting rights. We've outsourced their jobs, locked up their fathers, and cut their benefits. I hate what they do, but feel compassion for the circumstance they are in. Compassion and empathy are progressive values after all.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Mojo Electro
(362 posts)These kids are just assholes and they think it's funny. They aren't "lashing out at a society that wronged them" so to speak, they are assaulting innocent people for no reason, recording it on video and then laughing about it.
I have zero sympathy for them. Zero.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>Someone is feeding them, housing them, healing their mortal wounds.>>>>>
Dash87
(3,220 posts)It's never their fault. No accountability. Just do whatever you want and blame society for making you do it.
Being "abandoned by society" doesn't make you sneak up on someone and punch them out. They aren't stealing a loaf of bread - they're showing off to their friends how tough they (think they) are by beating on innocent people. It's not a cry for attention - it's a game of power, machismo, and showing off.
Even if you gave kids like this help, they wouldn't give a shit. They have no desire to do anything with themselves. They're sociopaths and can't be saved.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Lots of compassion. And you've proved my point. Any other marginalized members of society you want to totally write off?
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)As being in the social services, I think I have a pretty good handle on this. You cannot give these kids a pass, it only encourages more outrageous behavior. They marginalize themselves and there is NO ONE who is denying them an education except for their peers who will chide any kid who wants to make it out.
It's about expectations too. If you expect kids to behave a certain way because they have been "marginalized" then they will live up to those expectations. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for that behavior. Since when does being poor mean that one is anti-social.
There is a difference between caring and being played a fool.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)I have several examples that cover these arguments. I have one nephew that when me and my wife were picking him up from his dads house, people where calling My sister in another state telling her that me and my wife where at the crack house every weekend. That kid just got his masters last month.
I have another nephew that is damn near 30 years old and his parents between the two of them probably gross 150,000 a year. But the first thing out of his month would be to tell you what a hard life he's had. You know coming up in the ghetto and all.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Them manly. You could build them the best school money could buy and they would just tell you that your just trying to make them act white.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)no they think its fun and makes
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Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>>>>'m not going to condone their behavior, but can you blame them for lashing out in at least some way?>>>>>>
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)To do with failing schools, its stupid no snitching garbage and rap music. Dumb ass kids think they can get away with stuff because no one its going to tell on them. Dumb adults are to blame for this, then scream racism when their kids get in trouble.
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(19,768 posts)Search "knockout game " on youtube. The racial dynamics are clear. Every case I've ever read about has had the same racial overtones - young black males on non-black, usually white, often elderly victims. Sometimes it ends in death. (If the races were reversed this board would explode).
I don't see how pretending the racial factors don't exist helps anything.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)the only time you post about race or prejudice is when you think or say the victim is white.
show us if you think it's different but it's not.
you post so often about race, only when you say the victim is white. ONLY.
and if someone points out issues in the South you are offended, despite the history there.
Number23
(24,544 posts)are black. Apparently this is a really sick little global phenomena.
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(19,768 posts)or honest discussion.
just a heads up
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)12. No, I don't think it is "racism pure and simple."
I haven't heard ANY candidate other than Paul rail against institutional racism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=136792
JI7
(89,247 posts)they don't seem that disadvantaged to me.
i would say they are more likely to be spoiled types than those who come from homes that struggle economically and in other ways.
I loathe the teabaggers as much as anyone on this board but you simply cannot pin this disgusting behavior on them. It would be the teabaggers calling for everyone to carry guns and shoot anyone who tried to do this. What needs to happen is a zero tolerance - catch one of these animals, lock them up and throw away the key.
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oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... groups of "teens." But in the future, if it does, I will arrange to give them a wide berth. If they change direction to continue to approach they will get one warning before they are within 10 ft. I would not likely allow anyone within "knockout" distance.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Why, no, I didn't. So why did you feel you had to ask that?
And my name is not George. Not even close. Do you have a reading problem?
Life in the behavioral sink. You can't say we weren't warned.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)What can we expect when kids are left to rear themselves on a steady diet of violence and mayhem? When the heroes held up to them by the gun culture cheapen human life?
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)By uploading this crap to social media.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)How about expecting kids to not walk up to strangers or anyone and kill them for pleasure or to prove their macho bullshit. There is absolutely nothing that can be used to blame or condone this demented shit. Perhaps an adult could brainwash a child from infancy, but I am pretty sure that is not what is driving this.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Scientists have observed aberrant behavior in young male elephants in the wild when there are no mature bulls present due to poaching or whatever.
Humans like to discount the critical nature of close association with healthy role models and we also like to excuse using degrading entertainment media as convenient electronic pacifiers.
There's not that much difference between species when it comes down to the nitty gritty. When our legitimate biological and psychological needs go unmet, abberant behavior is going to result, like it or not. I'm not making any excuses, simply trying to look at the problem scientifically - a practice we ignore at our common peril. Yes, we can and should wish for better, but we're damned sure not going to get it by denying our situation!
Reality insofar as it can be determined is our friend. Ignorance of the human animal is NOT. EVER.
One other note: Modern city planners have found ways to design spaces that passively reduce some of our baser behaviors. I find that encouraging. But they didn't discover this by ignoring or denying what happens under given conditions either.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Some naturalists in Africa moved some bull elephants in their early twenties from one park to another; I forget why. I think it was because there were too many of them. But they made the mistake of not moving some older bulls into the area with them. The young ones essentially became juvenile delinquents. There were even some cases of them killing rhinos. So the naturalists brought in some bulls in their thirties and forties. They straightened out the youngsters real quick.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I realize that's not always possible or even preferable to some. There are excellent alternatives such as the well-run commune or even Israeli kibbutz. But electronic parenting defies our very nature and cannot be made to work. We're reaping the bitter fruit today.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)often used by people who legally carry concealed.
Of course I might be wrong.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)For saying that we are devolving into a "Mad Max" society. I stick by my opinion, and stories like this are the reason why.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)that's really about all I can say.
Knock someone out for the fun of it. Anyone who does this deserves a jail sentence.
K.O. Stradivarius
(115 posts)The communities there have sizable, well organized civilian patrols to deal with this kind of shit and
they don't play around in dealing with offenders...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_%28neighborhood_watch_group%29
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I don't recall doing that when I was a little kid.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Apparently they were allowed to do this and their fucking idiot parents said nothing.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)costs. And...take away the parent's right to vote!!!
domestic terrists?
Our nation is very sick and needs some kind of treatment ASAP.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)imaginable. That, combined with the article itself, pretty much extinguishes any hope for humanity I might have had. I think I'm gonna go get drunk.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)getting stabbed to death when he went to assault what he thought was an unarmed victim.
And of course the parents and community were immediately reframing the little devil as a "good kid" who could "do no wrong".
Adam-Bomb
(90 posts)It is a sad fact that the majority of people one sees out and about are
totally oblivious to their surroundings. How many are yakking on their
phones, playing electronic devices or are otherwise in La-La land?
I'm not saying we should be paranoid, but TRY to be somewhat aware
of what, and WHO are around us.
I have seen as many of these video's as my blood pressure will allow
and many of the victims never had the first clue they were about to be'
attacked.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)EOTE
(13,409 posts)It's NORMAL to expect that you won't be attacked by people when you walk down the street. It's the ones who think that everyone walking by them intends to attack them that concern me. Those are the George Zimmermans of the world.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)The Guardian Angels that I knew used to do it. It's nothing new.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)for fun. What a bunch of sick people.
If I were law enforcement, I'd contact every high school principal starting with the cities it's happening in and advise them to tell their students that investigations are ongoing and those who are doing so will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Then they might see just how fucking funny it really is.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)and don't act like a victim. I think avoiding dangerous situations is key, and a little macho posturing or acting won't hurt either. I never show fear when I'm out and about, like late at night taking public transportation.
Delphinus
(11,830 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)St. Louis 'knockout game' victim enraged that suspects walked free
January 12, 2012 12:05 am BY JENNIFER MANN jmann@post-dispatch.com> 314-621-5804 AND JOEL CURRIER jcurrier@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8256
ST. LOUIS The middle-schoolers were looking for a random person to beat up on Oct. 21, hoping to prove their mettle to a group of teens at Roosevelt High School who called themselves "TKO" or "The Knock Out" clan, police say.
They found their victim in Matt Quain, kicking and punching him in the face, breaking his jaw and knocking him down on South Grand Boulevard before walking off.
The 13-year-old girl who relayed this to police became the key witness against seven juveniles, ages 12-14, all from Fanning Middle School. But at the last minute before trial this week, she failed to show up, and the case fell apart, as was first reported Wednesday on STLtoday.com.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/knockout-game-case-shocked-st-louis-then-fell-apart/article_cdf5032a-b65e-51e0-a84e-de0f0ce0c5f8.html
'Knockout game' case shocked St. Louis, then fell apart
March 04, 2012 10:15 am BY TODD C. FRANKEL tfrankel@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8110
The summer of 2011 had started quietly enough, with no hint that knockout assaults would be a problem in the fall.
This was a surprise. In April, four teens had attacked a 72-year-old Vietnamese immigrant and his wife as they walked home from a market in Dutchtown. Hoang Nguyen died. His wife was hurt. An 18-year-old man, who allegedly told police he just wanted to knock someone out, was charged with first-degree murder.
"Knockout game" became the crime's coarse moniker. But it didn't feel like the start of something new. No one saw it as the sign of a wave of random assaults. After all, violent crime rates were falling across the city.
Then, in late August, several bicyclists were jumped in the Shaw neighborhood. In September, a group of teens pummeled a 59-year-old man as he walked near Grand and Gravois Road. Police rounded up the Knockout King and the other teens. But the pedestrian said he never got a good look at his attackers
bluedeathray
(511 posts)Giving white people a shock
But I won't stop my walk
'Cause I've got 12 in my Glock...
Is this the mentality these violent teens are hoping to stir?
This is the kind of societal breakdown that cause some people to buy guns.
It's a crazy world...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Without any numbers, it's hard to say whether anything is or isn't "sweeping the nation".
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Who the fuck are we supposed to root for in that case?
I know who I would favor.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)"root" for the animals doing this? I do see some blaming society for their behavior but I don't see anyone saying they shouldn't be punished.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Just murderous pricks like George Zimmerman looking to off people. I can't imagine anyone here would have an issue with someone defending themselves from one of these sick fuckers.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)It has been around for years.
Denver had a problem with it in 2009. The police tried to keep it buried and portray the attacks as completely unrelated.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)The assholes are unbearable.
Initech
(100,063 posts)Guaguacoa
(271 posts)for a few years in the late 80's-early 90's. It was happening, they called it wilding then, in a gay area called hillcrest by young black males on gay (appearing) males and did not make the media until a young straight guy was killed. It was the 35th attack before it made the media.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Between 2007 and 2012. A friend of mine lived in Hillcrest. The streets between the eastern edge of Hillcrest and the western edge of El Cerrito are still pretty rough. Driving through them was plenty scary without ever having heard of "wilding".
Guaguacoa
(271 posts)The company I was working for had us do some work there and it was pretty laid back, many gay business owners had businesses there. I did not even know about the "wildings" (they all attacked with pipes and chains) until I saw signs there posted on poles, stc. warning of this. Not long afterward the guy died and it finally made the news. Just like this "knockout game" has been ignored by the media for years.
I think ignoring this stuff emboldens the thugs and keeps people from being prepared that it could happen.
Man, wish I could go there and get some baltimore bagels now. I used to stock up and freeze a bunch.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Definitely getting a bit upscale, but it is one of the nicer urban neighborhoods. I'd take it over Pacific Beach any day of the week.
It's the streets east of Hillcrest that are dodgy. Especially those just north and south of Trojan (I think... or maybe Orange). There's some Somali and Vietnamese enclaves there that have their own charm, but there's some gang strongholds tucked in, too. The areas along the main drags are ok, but the side streets gave me the willies.
Generally speaking, I liked San Diego quite a bit. Still, as far as California's cities go, it has a very vocal conservative element. Coming from New England, I was a bit put off by the homophobia and the racism I encountered there. I actually had an employer tell everyone in the office--at an office meeting--not to vote for Jerry Brown.
As far as food goes, I miss Mexican. There was a hole in the wall joint off University called Gualberto's. The enchiladas were phenomenal. My wife swears by their horchata.
Guaguacoa
(271 posts)There was far more racism in Southern ca than akansas. We lived in NW arkansas a few years (the wife's only time to live in the US) and the people are great there. The wife says the nicest she has ever been around. CA was far worse.
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Heard about this i saw a few video clips, very disturbing, the obvious dangers of punch people and not to mention the retaliation from the victims who IMO have the right to kick the living shit out of these thugs kids or not. I would also agree that the parent should be held legally responsible for their child actions and be made to pay all medical bills to include long term care.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)early this morning about this. I will try to find an article about it. I believe they said the latest victim was a 78 yr. old woman.
I don't recall if she died or not.
This is just fucking horrible. The kids and maybe their parents should be prosecuted.
edit to add --
Here is the story.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=9332798&pid=9332051
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I'm a bit ashamed to say it, but maybe I'll just start crossing the street if I see a bunch of teens ahead or behind me.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I would think the morons attempting it would be dispatched soundly. Hog food comes to mind.