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Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:02 PM

 

I'm a little confused by the "Hillary is unbeatable!" meme.

I'm trying to remember the tough races she won. She certainly did get whupped by a newly-minted Senator in 2008.

What major battles of any sort has she won in her 20+ years of being an icon and stuff?

What am I missing here?

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Reply I'm a little confused by the "Hillary is unbeatable!" meme. (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP
blue neen Nov 2013 #1
JoePhilly Nov 2013 #3
MineralMan Nov 2013 #2
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #4
MineralMan Nov 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #8
MineralMan Nov 2013 #16
Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #15
MineralMan Nov 2013 #19
Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #20
MineralMan Nov 2013 #23
DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #28
elehhhhna Nov 2013 #34
leftstreet Nov 2013 #5
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #6
leftstreet Nov 2013 #17
winter is coming Nov 2013 #13
leftstreet Nov 2013 #22
winter is coming Nov 2013 #25
Warpy Nov 2013 #27
Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #9
JI7 Nov 2013 #10
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #21
Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #11
rhett o rick Nov 2013 #37
BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #12
LineReply .
jazzimov Nov 2013 #14
pnwmom Nov 2013 #18
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #24
longship Nov 2013 #26
Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #29
Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #30
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #31
Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #32
Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #33
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #35
MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #36
Oilwellian Nov 2013 #39
ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #38
libdem4life Nov 2013 #40
Scuba Nov 2013 #41
uponit7771 Nov 2013 #42
silvershadow Nov 2013 #43

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:05 PM

1. What are you missing here?

Subtlety.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:06 PM

3. Bwahahahaha!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:06 PM

2. Time has passed.

Who do you think could beat her, nationally? If she runs, of course.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:08 PM

4. All kinds of people.

 

Elizabeth Warren. Chris Christie or any other Third Way Republican.

She's never won a tough battle, as far as I can tell. Why should I believe she she's suddenly learned how to be a good candidate?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:11 PM

7. What you believe is irrelvant, Manny.

Look at her polling. If she runs, she will be the nominee. What then, Manny?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:12 PM

8. Then why did you *ask*

 

Pretty rude, I think.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:13 PM

16. Why did you ask, Manny?

Somewhat transparent, if you ask me.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:13 PM

15. Polling 3 years out is

irrelevant. Candidates haven't even been announced yet.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:17 PM

19. Indeed. We should be

focusing on 2014, not on Hillary Clinton.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:17 PM

20. Many of us are able to multi-task.

I'm one of them. Already signed up for CA-22.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:20 PM

23. Yes, we are. Some, however, cannot.

I am discussing both.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:45 PM

28. if what you say is true

then we can look forward between a p;erson that does the bidding of wall street to someone who is smart enough to gte wall street to pay up before feedxing us middle class type to it. Guess which one Hillary is.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:33 PM

34. This sounds familiar.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:08 PM

5. No other politician currently has her brand recognition

She's got overwhelming celebrity status

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:10 PM

6. Rush Limbaugh has plenty of brand recognition.

 

She had plenty in 2008, too. And that was before the Third Way had jumped the shark.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:14 PM

17. LOL maybe Rush will run

That could be entertaining

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:13 PM

13. Which wasn't enough in 2008.

As a former First Lady, she had an enormous advantage. It wasn't enough. People knew her, and enough of them didn't want her that a relative newcomer was chosen instead. The same thing could happen again.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:17 PM

22. True, but the party has little reason not to back her now

Controversial things like the ACA and TPP etc will already be set

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:23 PM

25. The TPP alone is a reason to look for a candidate not tied to that albatross. n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:31 PM

27. Yes, the same thing she had in 2008

and while she has her fervent supporters, many more of us remember the Hillary War of 2008 and don't want to go through a repeat of it.

Personally, I think a ham sandwich could beat her because of that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:12 PM

9. Inevitable™

You can't argue with Inevitability™!

Certainly not, um... the second time around!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:12 PM

10. there is no Obama this time around

and those paying attention saw that OBama was building up a serious campaign . he didn't just come out of nowhere.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:17 PM

21. There wasn't last time, either.

 

Can you link to some predictions from 2005 that he'd be the next president?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:12 PM

11. The Party Bosses want her in.

It would be nice if the Party Bosses would stay the fuck out of it until the primaries have run it's course but that's not going to happen. PBO happened because he was just as corporate-friendly as Hillary except he didn't have the negatives coming in.

The "inevitability" is politicalspeak to warn any challengers, "Don't even think about it." She and her supporters have a sense of entitlement that defies anything closely resembling Democracy. Her negatives will overwhelm everything leaving an opening for Christie. (Neither Rubio nor Cruz will be the nominee.) And THAT will be the Establishment Dems fault. Not the fault of the Progressives, not the fault of the Teaklanners, the fault of the Third-Way Democrats.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 12:28 AM

37. I believe that The Powers To Be choose Obama over Clinton in 2008 because I think

 

they wanted to let the country have their Democrat (after the lost Bush decade) and I think they thought that it would be easier to discredit Obama than Clinton. I think they were wrong, but I think they will back Clinton in 2016 plus Christie. They would prefer Christie but settle for Clinton.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:13 PM

12. I wouldn't call that a whupping

She won NY, CA, TX, OH, PA...if Mark Penn knew his ass from his elbow, she might have won the whole thing. Thought CA was winner-take-all and had no fucking clue what a caucus was. Dunce.

And Obama won largely because he took the black vote from Clinton. Is there a D-candidate out there who can do that? You lose a whole letter grade if you say Elizabeth Warren.

That said, I wish she and Bill had better things to do and Warren was a leading contender. The Clintons...by 2016 we're talking a quarter-century which is enough already.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:16 PM

18. Links, please.

I haven't seen that claim anywhere.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:22 PM

24. Google...

 

Hillary unbeatable site:democraticunderground.com 2016

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:28 PM

26. Especially since she's not running for any office.

Kind of weird.

It's called "fantasy 2016 election". Choose your candidate, even if nobody's yet running, and even if they've said that they are not interested. It's like fantasy football. It should be relegated to its own forum here. I might even join in once in a while myself. But right now it's chewing up too damned much GD turf.

For my fantasy 2016 candidate I may go for Cthulhu right now. He's not declared either. I don't think he satisfies the citizenship requirement, but that's just another thing I can argue interminably about.

Or how about Bugs Bunny. He's smart and clever as Hell. Plus, we'd all get to laugh a lot.

Or, Lizbeth Salander! There'd be equal rights for women quickly and the bankers would be utterly fucked.

After all, it's just contrafactus. Fantasy 2016 Presidential Election. If somebody wants to start a forum, I'll support it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:16 PM

29. Maybe the meme is right wing related

 

Because I can't figure it out.

Why Obama gave her a position I'll probably never know.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:19 PM

30. You're right. I'm a Hillary guy because I like to root for the underdog. (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:22 PM

31. That's a nice thought, bless you.

 

But we need to win this one.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:29 PM

32. Well, I know in my heart that our candidate will likely be Alan Grayson.

And that he will almost certainly whoop the Republican's ass. But let me indulge in my short-lived fantasy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:33 PM

33. She and Bush won their fight for the invasion of Iraq.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:56 PM

35. She ran a terrible campaign in 2008

She was so nasty toward Obama, remember how shocked we were when he chose her as his SOS? A lot of Dems were turned off by her dirty campaign and I'm sure if she runs again, we will be reminded of that side of her that we rejected the first time.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 09:57 PM

36. The moment she hits a rough patch, I reckon. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 12:34 AM

38. I'm focused on Wendy for Governor. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 01:01 AM

40. Again? Really? Thread No. 495 trolling for the dependable Anti-Hillary Lemmings. LOL

 

OK, to be fair, also the Pro-Hillary intellectual geniuses...another LOL.

Ever heard of the New York Senate?

And "icon" of what, The wife of a Cad? The Little Lady Baking Cookies Contest? Oh, I could go on and on and on ad nauseum.

Ah, maybe the one that forced her to become a "Clinton" because of Victorian politics that deemed that marriage rightly changed her surname and only Feminazis didn't comply?

Or, the one whose prescient "HillaryCare" got trounced because she was, wait for it, Just a Little Lady trying to be all uppity?

Maybe it's just the "lady" part that has people...male and female...so intimately engaged in angst and anxiety, or in this case, confusion. Harking back to the 19th, ok maybe 20th Century?

This is getting ho-hum...worn out...boring, well not quite for us with keen political instincts and a wit and political awareness somewhere beyond a dull axe.



Carry on.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:22 AM

41. If she's the Dem candidate, the legion of Hillary haters will turn out to voter for whoever ...

 

... Republicans decide to run. On the other hand, those same Hillary haters recognize that Wall Street is stealing their lunch money.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/13-5

Most startling was the finding from those same national polls when respondents were asked which party was responsible for the economic crisis: “Republicans were precisely as likely as Democrats to blame ‘Wall Street bankers.’ ”



I don't think Hillary can win. But I do think Elizabeth can win, and that she's a much better candidate for those of us who don't work on Wall Street.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:28 AM

42. WOW Manny!!! You guys don't think this obvious shit gets boring quick!? 1 or 2 people say she's ...

... something or the other and the detractors run with it in an near flaimbate op

I don't know enough people that thinks she's unbeatable to start a thread on it...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:40 AM

43. Maybe she will just vie for the VP spot for either Warren or Sanders. Just a thought. nt

 

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