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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 04:24 AM Nov 2013

Chris Hayes: Sleeper issue of 2014? GOP refusal of Medicaid expansion.

Chris Hayes said that it could be the sleeper issue of 2014. Most people cant believe that someone or thing (GOP) could be so cruel to refuse free federal money to give the poor and sick in your own state health care when it wouldnt cost the state a thing. I think he may be right. I ran that by a Republican earlier tonight and he called me a liar.

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Chris Hayes: Sleeper issue of 2014? GOP refusal of Medicaid expansion. (Original Post) ErikJ Nov 2013 OP
I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a political party malaise Nov 2013 #1
You and I can't understand it but the repukes have figured out that there are voters out there CTyankee Nov 2013 #13
They are usually the biggest moochers malaise Nov 2013 #14
*sigh" Yes. CTyankee Nov 2013 #15
That's only if our people bother to explain it and argue the moral case. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #2
Exactly so. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #11
It should work here in Wisconsin, although the Dem leadership has already picked a corporatist. Scuba Nov 2013 #3
i am very happy to mention the bastard walkers effect on obamacare shortcomings dembotoz Nov 2013 #10
Right wingers are fine with denying Medicaid to the poor. Hoyt Nov 2013 #4
"... hateful voters" <- Who aren't near as numerous as those who want to accomplish jtuck004 Nov 2013 #7
I applaud your optimism, just don't see it right now. Hope you are right. Hoyt Nov 2013 #8
Always been that way. WWII, The Space Race - problem is finding a competent leader to jtuck004 Nov 2013 #9
Saw that, in deep red and blue areas alike medicaid expansion wins hands down uponit7771 Nov 2013 #5
This should be more than a sleeper issue. Laelth Nov 2013 #6
a Republican just won a GOP primary in Louisiana on that issue Enrique Nov 2013 #12
GOP Campaign 2014 ... napkinz Nov 2013 #16
"The Real Victims" napkinz Nov 2013 #17
Republican outsider Vance McAllister wins House seat in Louisiana ProSense Nov 2013 #18
Hospitals in those states moondust Nov 2013 #19
kick napkinz Nov 2013 #20

malaise

(268,846 posts)
1. I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of a political party
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:40 AM
Nov 2013

campaigning against Medicaid as a winning election issue.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
13. You and I can't understand it but the repukes have figured out that there are voters out there
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:12 AM
Nov 2013

who are so resentful and just downright racist, that they think all Medicaid recipients are "undeserving" and "moochers." Sometimes they still feel that way when a close family member is forced by circumstances to go on Medicaid. I would hope that that would change as more and more people face real hardship and poverty in this country...a hard lesson in humility for heretofore smug, self satisfied folks...I feel sorry for their kids...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. That's only if our people bother to explain it and argue the moral case.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:45 AM
Nov 2013

Unfortunately, it's the sort of thing that too many Democrats, particularly in the red states we're talking about, run away from, instead of use the bully pulpit to argue about.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
11. Exactly so.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 08:38 AM
Nov 2013

I know that in my state, people on Medicaid generally don't vote, and the ones that do aren't going to hear the so-called Democrats down here mention it. The GOP is in control here, and the voters pretty much all think they're middle class. The 'middle class' down here think that Medicaid is mostly a program for black women who have too many babies, so they don't like the program. When people only hear the most radical Republican version of things, that's what they believe.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. It should work here in Wisconsin, although the Dem leadership has already picked a corporatist.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 05:50 AM
Nov 2013
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Right wingers are fine with denying Medicaid to the poor.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 06:23 AM
Nov 2013

It will attract/hold hateful voters.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
7. "... hateful voters" <- Who aren't near as numerous as those who want to accomplish
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 06:32 AM
Nov 2013

something, IF you give them something real to work towards, and then don't turn your back on them.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. Always been that way. WWII, The Space Race - problem is finding a competent leader to
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 07:58 AM
Nov 2013

motivate everyone with a big enough story that actually moves us forward and upward as a nation.

"We need for you to work really hard to make your employer more money so you can support banks and get screwed over on your mortgage so you can vote for us again so we can cut your Social Security and offshore your jobs with an underhanded, back-room trade agreement that limits your Internet freedom too" isn't, well, it just isn't as inspiring somehow...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. This should be more than a sleeper issue.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 06:31 AM
Nov 2013

Let us hope our candidates make this issue central to their campaigns.

-Laelth

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
12. a Republican just won a GOP primary in Louisiana on that issue
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 09:08 AM
Nov 2013

he was in favor of expanding Medicaid. The entire GOP establishment, in the state and nationwide, was against him. And he won. In the GOP primary. In Louisiana.

So yes, i agree it's a winning issue. I haven't seen signs of the dems taking it up, but maybe they're saving it.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Republican outsider Vance McAllister wins House seat in Louisiana
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:37 PM
Nov 2013
Republican outsider Vance McAllister wins House seat in Louisiana
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024046538

Obamacare is having one huge success nobody knows about
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024038246

moondust

(19,966 posts)
19. Hospitals in those states
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:40 PM
Nov 2013

will apparently have to keep picking up the tab for a lot of the costs when the poor and uninsured go to the ER for treatment, just like old times, according to Senator Whitehouse yesterday. He hinted that hospital administrators may start to lean on their politicians to get with the program.

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