So Zimmy uses 911 to make statements for court that cannot be cross examined

[NightWatcher]

Damn this man is a criminal genius. Where did he learn that? I've seen a lot of movies and read a lot of crime books and that's a new one for me. Just like with the Trayvon murder case, his 911 tapes can be used for him to make a statement that cannot be crossed by the state. He'll then refuse to testify and allow the tapes to stand on their own, without review or cross for accuracy.

How long has he been committing crimes and using this as his defense?

Is this something that his Dad told him about? It sounds like a trick that a judge or lawyer would know and pass on to their criminal friends and family.

[PeaceNikki]

1. His girlfriend seemed to have thought about what she said on that call, too.

When asked if they'd been having problems, she said she didn't want to get into it because the call would be made public.

[napkinz]

2. his girlfriend said, "He knows the game."

Heard it on Lawrence last night.

[Hoyt]

3. I think stuff like that is taught in NRA certified gun "safety" training courses.

[spin]

5. If so, Zimmerman must have attended the advanced gun "safety" program. (n/t)

[Hoyt]

7. Actually, he did attend a course that included how to use the "stand your ground" law.

It was mentioned as part of the testimony in the trial, and - even though gun fanciers claim the murder was not about SYG - the judge's instruction to the jury included the SYG defense.

[spin]

16. A course on concealed carry would qualify as the "advanced gun safety" class. ...

I will agree that in this course the students are often instructed to tell law enforcement that that they "were in fear for their lives or health" when attacked by the person they shot. Of course it is mentioned that this should also be the truth. If the state can prove that a reasonable man standing in your shoes would have had no reason the fear that the attack would lead to serious injury or death than the defendant may end up spending a long time in prison.

For example assume you got into an argument with your neighbor who was watering his lawn. He was so angered that he decided to try to hit you with his water hose. This attack would not give you the excuse to draw your legally concealed weapon and shoot him. (I believe a case like this actually happened in Florida but my Google fu has failed me and I can't find it.)

I believe that the judge in the Zimmerman trial was required to read the Florida laws on self defense to the jury before they considered their verdict. You can read these instructions for the judge at:
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#
and
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter3/p1c3s3.6.f.rtf

(Note: I have often posted my view that Zimmerman was in the wrong when he pursued Martin and should have merely reported a suspicious character to the police AT THE MOST. He should have followed the dispatcher's advice. If you go looking for trouble it will find you!)

[Hoyt]

17. Thanks Spin. Sadly there were a number of Gungeoneers that felt what Zimmy did stalking/bullying,

was not wrong, and that the moment Trayvon Martin stood his ground unarmed (assuming he did, which is in doubt), Zman was justified in shooting the 10 foot tall, 450 pounds of solid muscle felon (who can forget O'Mara showing photos of Trayvon that had nothing to do with the murder). It came across loud and clear in their posts.

[spin]

18. I personally would have never noticed some kid walking down the street in a hoodie ...

in the rain but to be fair I am not a member of any neighborhood watch organization. Even if I was, I seriously doubt that Trayvon Martin would have set my alarm off. At the very most I would have called the police and followed their instructions. They get PAID to handle criminals and have the TRAINING to do so. I don't get paid and I don't have the training.

I will admit that I often legally carry a handgun which you disagree with but let me assure you that I would never use it unless I was attacked by a person who intended to seriously injure or kill me and HAD THE CAPACITY TO DO SO.

If some fool walked up to me and demanded I turn over my wallet I would simply appraise him. If I honestly felt that all he wanted was my wallet to would give it to him. Hell, I can replace my money and my ID far easier than I can recover from an attack or come back from the grave.

But if I truly believed that he intended to seriously injure or kill me, I feel that I would have little to lose if I tried to defend myself with the revolver I carry. Of course I would feel the same if after I gave him my wallet, he attacked me. I have absolutely no desire to be a HERO nor to live with the psychological aftereffects of shooting someone even if entirely justified. The last thing I ever hope to do in my lifetime is to shoot another person, period!

I don't represent or necessarily agree with the views of many of the pro gun rights supporters who post in the Gungeon. That may be because I am an older Democrat who comes from a long line of Democrats who owned and used firearms but also stood on strike lines to gain fair pay and benefits for steel workers in Pittsburgh.

[bravenak]

4. Unfortunately for him, he taught her the game.

Her calls sound much better than his. She's on tape yelling " you pointed a gun in my face" and " no! Don't push me out of my own house". "You broke my glass table!" She has evidence to prove he had a gun, the table was broken, and she was removed from her home by the big head hermit.
Nothing he can do to make that sound good. Barricading himself inside of her home with his guns?
His damn call sounded stupid.

[wercal]

6. Do you have a link to this

"She has evidence to prove he had a gun, the table was broken"

During last night's Seminole County Sheriff press briefing, they stated that a warrant was being sought, in order to look for the gun. This surprises me, as the girlfriend stated it was her house...and wouldn't she give permission to look for the gun? And frankly, wouldn't the police have probable cause to look for a gun, allegedly used in a felony, with a witness placing the gun at the house...without a warrant?

Simply, I haven't seen any reports yet that the gun was recovered.

And I don't doubt the table was broken...but have you seen any reports on that, other than statements on the 9-11 call?

[Hoyt]

8. Zimmerman said the guns were next to or under the bed, and he put them in his bag.

I think it's clear there is a gun(s) there. I have no doubt the weasel used it to intimidate the girl. To do otherwise, would be out if character. In fact, it sounds like he might have had the shotgun he was offered after the trial by the gun manufacturer who gave Zimmy a VIP tour of the factory.

[bravenak]

10. They can't just take the guns they do need a warrant to search.

He wasn't just going to give his guns up willingly.

The sheriff's office was seeking a search warrant to look for two guns deputies believed were inside the home, he said. According to the police report, Zimmerman had locked up the guns before police arrived.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/justice/florida-george-zimmerman-arrest/
'

She was not injured and no one else was at the home.'
Sheriff Eslinger confirmed that there were two weapons found in the home.


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I don't think they have recovered the guns, another reason he needs to have police with him when he gets his stuff.

[brush]

11. The table was broken

She said it on her call to the dispatcher that he did it right in front of her as she was on the phone and before he forced her out of the house.

He said on his call that she did it because she was upset that he was packing up to leave.

Guess which one sounds like the truth and which call sounds like a cya call?

[TeamPooka]

14. barracading himself in a house he claims he wanted to leave. hmmmm

[riverwalker]

15. well there is video I saw

of the police leaving the house with a rifle case.

[Fumesucker]

9. Calling 911 is/was a hobby for him

That came out long before the trial, he had called 911 many times.

[msanthrope]

12. He thinks a 911 call isn't testimonial...but since he wanted to "tell his side of the story"

I think Mr. Zimmerman will find he screwed himself.

[Blue_Tires]

13. That was the point I'd made at the time

in that 911 call while following Trayvon, with NO visible proof WHATSOEVER, Zimmerman tells the dispatcher:

1. Martin is acting in a suspicious manner, and about to commit a crime
2. Martin is probably armed
3. Martin is probably on drugs
4. Martin is possibly the person or one of the persons responsible for a series of burglaries

I'd always maintained that Zimmerman *intentionally* made it a point to mention those things so they were in an 'official' record in case anyone questioned his justifications afterward...